v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 1 if do a lot of high-rep sets, better use competition style KB (thinner
handle, more expensive). quote from Mahler.
i quickly found my weak link --- grip endurance, all pulling motions tax
grip, i think i am not doing the same exercise, but they all stress
grip, whose weakest link is elbow connection tissue.
i guess the first 3 month is all test and see with moderate weight,
understand overhead lift and back health
KB exercise stuart stuart mcgill recommends is not Snatch or TGU, but KB butt... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 2 这段时间练习gs style lift, 进步不是很大。重新学习steve cotter的视频,发现还
是一些细微的技术没有掌握。gs style讲究的是效率,节能,运动和休息一体。
#jerk:应该是90%的腿部运动,我的第二个dip不够,leg involvement不足,其实更接
近push press, 导致lat,shoulder 疲劳。
#snatch: 非常多的腿部参与。我起来是没有dip,过度利用pull的力量。drop时太直,
太快。 而是应该先垫起脚尖,身体后倾,卸掉一些力量,利用身体姿势的变换带动KB. |
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s********r 发帖数: 2308 | 3 今天在gym里用60磅的试了下snatch, 不注意技术的话砸手臂还是很疼的,而且是越用
力越疼。后来做对了感觉还是不错的,出汗很快,不过前天硬拉伤了肩所以就没有多做。
研究了一下,没发现什么复杂工艺,不外乎浇铸+磨光+上漆三步。工艺比起45磅的杠铃
片如何?也是要整体铸造,也是要抛光上漆。
总体来说,要配两对壶铃的价钱够在本地craigslist上买一套300+磅的olympic 杠铃组
外加卧推架了,这个性价比根本不具备可比性。
crossfit挺有意思的,我去年研究划船机的时候在crossfit论坛上找到了很多info,而
且最后也是买了concept2。不过这东西搞得标准一套套的,有时候觉得有点邪教的意味。 |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 5 KB 的市场还是小所以价格贵
KB流派的训练理念很好
PAVEL TSATSOULINE 的书 很有开创性,也很全面, from strength, mobility,
flexibility
his students includes steve cotter, mike mahler, all have many good
teachings
with or without KB, many of their teachings can be used.
mike mahler actually provided alternative to KB
if you are not big fan of Kettlebell cult, dumbbell should be enough for the
following:
clean and press
swing
turkish get up
(jerk snatch are advanced, optional)
all above can be done with dumbbell, maybe not as conveni... 阅读全帖 |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 6 能 JERK DOUBLE 88lb kb 很牛
那 STANDING DOUBLE 88LBS KB 军推都可以了3-5下了吧。
我觉得DOUBLE JERK/SNATCH 的重量最好不要用超过DOUBLE 军推的重量, FOR SAFETY
REASON, ISN'T IT。 |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 7 what's the requirements for "master of sport"
if weight class = 73kg
must use 70(32kg) bell
biathon (double bell jerk, single bell snatch) 125 reps for 10min
long cycle (double clean and jerk), 50 reps for 10min
double bell jerk is much harder than single bell
since you did 167, maybe close to MS |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 8 凑一下热闹。i resumed some KB work this week.
all at home. 在家里炼的一个的缺点是 容易流于over done or too much free style. learning lessons and trying to do better.
Tuesday( cardio)
interval run on grass next to home, 30/30 interval run with some stair step jump, total time 20min. 30/30 interval is the default timer by Gymboss @iphone.
Wednesday (pull vs. press super set)
A. pull up
B1.introductory plache push up
B2. KB floor press 53 + 70 (相当于70 + 70# 的bottom start 哑铃卧推, 我只卖了一个70# 的KB, 结果我搞错了,是一个cast iron kb, ... 阅读全帖 |
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m******l 发帖数: 613 | 9 顶帖,我现在可以press 12kg的kettlebell了,也可以做单手snatch long cycle,就是
还是不能坚持很久。我是女生,感觉自己还是很弱。
我还不会jerk,还需要加强。
还有,crossfit,你怎么自己订训练计划的,我基本上照着dvd做,自己重复很容易觉得
boring... |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 10 3-5rm range military press, 10rm range clean or snatch is tough on shoulder and upper back joint ligament and tendon.
on ther otherhand, if handle properly, KB exercise helps with development of tendon/ligament strength over time. according to pavel, probably it take 1 year to condition ligament/tendon.
tuesday, resting shoulder and upper back, did the following simple workout:
floor press 1x3x53#, right & left
pull up 1x3x0
floor press 1x5x70#, right & left
pull up 1x5x10#
floor press 1x2x80#... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 11 记得你就是那个很牛的MM,press 12kg press, snatch 已经很棒了。 不要太追求大
重量,负责很容易受伤。
按dvd做很好的,记得你有AOS系列,那套安排的非常合理,自己很难安排的更好了,我
开始也是用了那套DVD。我现在安排就随意的多,基本上press day, core day,
explosive strength day, endurance day, combo day. 当然很难分清界限,每天侧重
一项吧。 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 12 我的体会是press和snatch一定要小心,第一年做10个以上reps,所作的重量要比你要努
力能handle的重量退一级。还有一定要drop shoulder in socket, 你可以试试拿一个
kb overhead lockout, 在屋里走来走去,体会下drop shoulder和不drop shoulder的
区别。还有overhead lockout时,试试open palm,可以纠正很多错误。
shoulder and upper back joint ligament and tendon.
of tendon/ligament strength over time. according to pavel, probably it take
1 year to condition ligament/tendon.
workout: |
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s****e 发帖数: 1984 | 13 12kg是26lb左右了。真是很牛啊。不过我们这儿卖kb都是按lb卖的。最近在看一套20/
25/30lb的kb,大概一块多一点一磅,好象价格还不错?
顶帖,我现在可以press 12kg的kettlebell了,也可以做单手snatch long cycle,就是
还是不能坚持很久。我是女生,感觉自己还是很弱。我还不会jerk........
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 14 Amazing
And 50reps snatches with the beast. This was about as flawless as you can
get on the 48kg(106 lb), very impressive. |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 15 his max strength is stunning so snatching a 48kg like it is made of wood.
this guy has tremendous strength in tendon, saw him bottom up press 24kg,
with a 16kg stack on it, and reps.
my TGU on stronger side grows to 70#, military press not much progress.
military press asks for a number of small muscle groups around shoulder and
collar bone. 53# is 2rm for my left side, so it is hard to use 5rm. i started to try push press, with a 4-count lowering on left side, then do 1 2 3 ladder.
now I am ... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 16 刚刚看到一个video,这人10分钟snatch了300多下。他为了追求强度,并没用很好的
form。但整个心肺能力非常惊人,我觉得我要这么呼吸10分钟的话,可能要挂掉了
Ivan Denisov的另一项世界纪录,35分钟连续730snatch,一次换手, 简直怀疑他是不
是人类。按另外一项测试记录,我估算一下,他这35分钟大概能消耗差不多3000卡。就算他技术更有效,省力些,2500卡也应该有了。 |
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z********0 发帖数: 9013 | 17 没有阿,可crossfit不是练了10多年嘛
6个月到不了中级水平吧?
http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/StrengthStandards.htm
上面说,从untrained -> novice, 3-9 months
我从开始力量练习,到现在也大约9个月了,现在才半只脚在novice里,BP,PRESS,
SQUAT是novice水平了,
deadlift练得少,现在卡在grip的力量上了。
power clean/power snatch还根本没练过呢。
我的意思是说,虽然我练的不够给力,但这个网站给的估计时间还比较符合我的情况。
以此类推,按我的水平,到intermediate也得两年吧。
在 linkthesky (linkthesky) 的大作中提到: 】 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 18 kb snatch, press对脖子都是很大的考验, 简单的wrestler bridge渐进过程可以强化
脖子并提高mobility |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 19 嗯。
特别是单边的pulling exercise, 弄的不好就把脖子跟上肩的筋或肌肉给拉了。
我刚开始连 single arm bent over row(mike mahler recommende exercise), 上拉的range 过了, 导致头部在pulling
exercise 中转动。
结果搞的脖子转动和forward/backward bending 都有 clicking 的声音, 虽然不痛,
但是非常distracting...
恢复了一段时间, 好多了。
我当时查了一下, pavel 在dragon door 的forum 上有说
don't turn head during any kind of pulling exercise.
所以pavel 还真是牛, 又懂得赚钱。。。我看他的那些video , 动作还挺优雅的。
上次你贴的gray cook 的tpi video, 也有示范 no head turn during pull. 算是有体会了。
还有我觉得, pull 尽量用lats support shoulder, 不要让脖子上牵涉到 heavy
... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 20 face the wall squat, swing的基本功。
bottom up hold 时可以把拇指,食指成八字撑住kb body
我现在snatch一样会磨手,gs style的是用虎口, 掌根hold,对手就好多了。但用大
重量,或close to fatigue 时很难维持。 |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 21 好奇的问一下大师的立定摸高?
想看一下 double 70# KB clean and jerk 17 reps
single arm clean & jerk 105# 5 reps
double clean 2*88# single snatch 88#
对 vertical jump 的 carry over.
我有时用box jump 和摸房顶作为 weighted squat 的替代。 最近提高了2个 inches. 我感觉还主要是对动做技术上的一些提高, 比如提葱和 下蹲时利用stretch reflex.
我可能接近double 70# KB clean 1 rep.
几周 前实验了一下 double clean 53 + 70, 很勉强, 对double clean 的技术也生疏。。。改天状态好的时候。 我去年有完成power clean 135#. 当然一般gym 里的bar 很多都不足 45#。 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 22 Steve cotter lesson 1, snatch hand protection |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 23 snatch, jerk, clean时身体都要后仰,这样便于kb走直线,同时可以平衡身体和kb的
重心。
我的主要问题是从rack往下drop时,身体和bell脱节,这样会用到太多的上身力量,造
成疲劳。你看这个视频,黑衣的比白衣的drop就好多了 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 24 我在一家店里试了一下perform better的bell,觉得他们的handle不是特别好,太高,
太窄,clean起来不能把整个手掌穿过handle里去,这样做jerk时bump就会用到手臂力
量,作不了多久。rack也不好把bell rest 在hip上
时也做大重量 snatch, 70# 也比
70, maybe double 80 也可以。 卧推的话, 单手躺在地上做, 很容易加到90# even
100#。 |
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s********r 发帖数: 2308 | 25 今天在gym里用60磅的试了下snatch, 不注意技术的话砸手臂还是很疼的,而且是越用
力越疼。后来做对了感觉还是不错的,出汗很快,不过前天硬拉伤了肩所以就没有多做。
研究了一下,没发现什么复杂工艺,不外乎浇铸+磨光+上漆三步。工艺比起45磅的杠铃
片如何?也是要整体铸造,也是要抛光上漆。
总体来说,要配两对壶铃的价钱够在本地craigslist上买一套300+磅的olympic 杠铃组
外加卧推架了,这个性价比根本不具备可比性。
crossfit挺有意思的,我去年研究划船机的时候在crossfit论坛上找到了很多info,而
且最后也是买了concept2。不过这东西搞得标准一套套的,有时候觉得有点邪教的意味。 |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 27 KB 的市场还是小所以价格贵
KB流派的训练理念很好
PAVEL TSATSOULINE 的书 很有开创性,也很全面, from strength, mobility,
flexibility
his students includes steve cotter, mike mahler, all have many good
teachings
with or without KB, many of their teachings can be used.
mike mahler actually provided alternative to KB
if you are not big fan of Kettlebell cult, dumbbell should be enough for the
following:
clean and press
swing
turkish get up
(jerk snatch are advanced, optional)
all above can be done with dumbbell, maybe not as conveni... 阅读全帖 |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 28 能 JERK DOUBLE 88lb kb 很牛
那 STANDING DOUBLE 88LBS KB 军推都可以了3-5下了吧。
我觉得DOUBLE JERK/SNATCH 的重量最好不要用超过DOUBLE 军推的重量, FOR SAFETY
REASON, ISN'T IT。 |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 29 what's the requirements for "master of sport"
if weight class = 73kg
must use 70(32kg) bell
biathon (double bell jerk, single bell snatch) 125 reps for 10min
long cycle (double clean and jerk), 50 reps for 10min
double bell jerk is much harder than single bell
since you did 167, maybe close to MS |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 30 凑一下热闹。i resumed some KB work this week.
all at home. 在家里炼的一个的缺点是 容易流于over done or too much free style. learning lessons and trying to do better.
Tuesday( cardio)
interval run on grass next to home, 30/30 interval run with some stair step jump, total time 20min. 30/30 interval is the default timer by Gymboss @iphone.
Wednesday (pull vs. press super set)
A. pull up
B1.introductory plache push up
B2. KB floor press 53 + 70 (相当于70 + 70# 的bottom start 哑铃卧推, 我只卖了一个70# 的KB, 结果我搞错了,是一个cast iron kb, ... 阅读全帖 |
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m******l 发帖数: 613 | 31 顶帖,我现在可以press 12kg的kettlebell了,也可以做单手snatch long cycle,就是
还是不能坚持很久。我是女生,感觉自己还是很弱。
我还不会jerk,还需要加强。
还有,crossfit,你怎么自己订训练计划的,我基本上照着dvd做,自己重复很容易觉得
boring... |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 32 3-5rm range military press, 10rm range clean or snatch is tough on shoulder and upper back joint ligament and tendon.
on ther otherhand, if handle properly, KB exercise helps with development of tendon/ligament strength over time. according to pavel, probably it take 1 year to condition ligament/tendon.
tuesday, resting shoulder and upper back, did the following simple workout:
floor press 1x3x53#, right & left
pull up 1x3x0
floor press 1x5x70#, right & left
pull up 1x5x10#
floor press 1x2x80#... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 33 记得你就是那个很牛的MM,press 12kg press, snatch 已经很棒了。 不要太追求大
重量,负责很容易受伤。
按dvd做很好的,记得你有AOS系列,那套安排的非常合理,自己很难安排的更好了,我
开始也是用了那套DVD。我现在安排就随意的多,基本上press day, core day,
explosive strength day, endurance day, combo day. 当然很难分清界限,每天侧重
一项吧。 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 34 我的体会是press和snatch一定要小心,第一年做10个以上reps,所作的重量要比你要努
力能handle的重量退一级。还有一定要drop shoulder in socket, 你可以试试拿一个
kb overhead lockout, 在屋里走来走去,体会下drop shoulder和不drop shoulder的
区别。还有overhead lockout时,试试open palm,可以纠正很多错误。
shoulder and upper back joint ligament and tendon.
of tendon/ligament strength over time. according to pavel, probably it take
1 year to condition ligament/tendon.
workout: |
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s****e 发帖数: 1984 | 35 12kg是26lb左右了。真是很牛啊。不过我们这儿卖kb都是按lb卖的。最近在看一套20/
25/30lb的kb,大概一块多一点一磅,好象价格还不错?
顶帖,我现在可以press 12kg的kettlebell了,也可以做单手snatch long cycle,就是
还是不能坚持很久。我是女生,感觉自己还是很弱。我还不会jerk........
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 36 Amazing
And 50reps snatches with the beast. This was about as flawless as you can
get on the 48kg(106 lb), very impressive. |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 37 刚刚看到一个video,这人10分钟snatch了300多下。他为了追求强度,并没用很好的
form。但整个心肺能力非常惊人,我觉得我要这么呼吸10分钟的话,可能要挂掉了
Ivan Denisov的另一项世界纪录,35分钟连续730snatch,一次换手, 简直怀疑他是不
是人类。按另外一项测试记录,我估算一下,他这35分钟大概能消耗差不多3000卡。就算他技术更有效,省力些,2500卡也应该有了。 |
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z********0 发帖数: 9013 | 38 没有阿,可crossfit不是练了10多年嘛
6个月到不了中级水平吧?
http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/StrengthStandards.htm
上面说,从untrained -> novice, 3-9 months
我从开始力量练习,到现在也大约9个月了,现在才半只脚在novice里,BP,PRESS,
SQUAT是novice水平了,
deadlift练得少,现在卡在grip的力量上了。
power clean/power snatch还根本没练过呢。
我的意思是说,虽然我练的不够给力,但这个网站给的估计时间还比较符合我的情况。
以此类推,按我的水平,到intermediate也得两年吧。
在 linkthesky (linkthesky) 的大作中提到: 】 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 39 kb snatch, press对脖子都是很大的考验, 简单的wrestler bridge渐进过程可以强化
脖子并提高mobility |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 40 嗯。
特别是单边的pulling exercise, 弄的不好就把脖子跟上肩的筋或肌肉给拉了。
我刚开始连 single arm bent over row(mike mahler recommende exercise), 上拉的range 过了, 导致头部在pulling
exercise 中转动。
结果搞的脖子转动和forward/backward bending 都有 clicking 的声音, 虽然不痛,
但是非常distracting...
恢复了一段时间, 好多了。
我当时查了一下, pavel 在dragon door 的forum 上有说
don't turn head during any kind of pulling exercise.
所以pavel 还真是牛, 又懂得赚钱。。。我看他的那些video , 动作还挺优雅的。
上次你贴的gray cook 的tpi video, 也有示范 no head turn during pull. 算是有体会了。
还有我觉得, pull 尽量用lats support shoulder, 不要让脖子上牵涉到 heavy
... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 41 Finished ETK ROP with an 88lb KB. It was tough, but feels so good.
第1周:light day: 1)clean&press 3x(1,2,3) ladder
1L,1R,1 pull up
2L,2R,2 pull up
3L,3R,3 pull up
rest 1 min, then repeat 3 times
2) 70lb snatch, easy pace 5 min, total 80reps
Medium day: 1)clean&press 3x(1,2,3) ladder
1L,1R,1 pull up
2L,2R,2 pull up
3L,3R,3 pull up
... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 42 第2周:light day: 1)clean&press 4x(1,2,3) ladder
1L,1R,1 pull up
2L,2R,2 pull up
3L,3R,3 pull up
rest 1 min, then repeat 4 times
2) 70lb snatch, easy pace 6 min, total 100reps
Medium day: 1)clean&press 4x(1,2,3) ladder
1L,1R,1 pull up
2L,2R,2 pull up
3L,3R,3 pull up
rest 1 min, ... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 43 第3周:light day: 1)clean&press 5x(1,2,3) ladder
1L,1R,1 pull up
2L,2R,2 pull up
3L,3R,3 pull up
rest 1 min, then repeat 5 times
2) 70lb snatch, easy pace 6 min, total 100reps
Medium day: 1)clean&press 5x(1,2,3) ladder
1L,1R,1 pull up
2L,2R,2 pull up
3L,3R,3 pull up
rest 1 min, then repeat 5 times
... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 44 第4周:light day: 1)clean&press 5x(1,2,3) ladder
1L,1R,1 pull up
2L,2R,2 pull up
3L,3R,3 pull up
rest 1 min, then repeat 5 times
2) 70lb snatch, easy pace 5 min, total 80 reps
Medium day: 1)clean&press 5x(1,2,3,4) ladder
1L,1R,1 pull up
2L,2R,2 pull up
3L,3R,3 pull up
4L,4R,4 pull up
rest 1 min,... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 45 第5周:light day: 1)clean&press 5x(1,2,3) ladder
1L,1R,1 pull up
2L,2R,2 pull up
3L,3R,3 pull up
rest 1 min, then repeat 5 times
2) 70lb snatch, easy pace 7 min, total 100 reps
Medium day: 1)clean&press 5x(1,2,3,4) ladder
1L,1R,1 pull up
2L,2R,2 pull up
3L,3R,3 pull up
4L,4R,4 pull up
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 46 第6周:light day: 1)clean&press 5x(1,2,3) ladder
1L,1R,1 pull up
2L,2R,2 pull up
3L,3R,3 pull up
rest 1 min, then repeat 5 times
2) 70lb snatch, easy pace 5 min, total 80 reps
Medium day: 1)clean&press 5x(1,2,3,4) ladder
1L,1R,1 pull up
2L,2R,2 pull up
3L,3R,3 pull up
4L,4R,4 pull up
rest 1 min,... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 47 第7周:light day: 1)clean&press 5x(1,2,3) ladder
1L,1R,1 pull up
2L,2R,2 pull up
3L,3R,3 pull up
rest 1 min, then repeat 5 times
2) 70lb snatch, easy pace 10 min, total 140 reps
Medium day: 1)clean&press 5x(1,2,3,4) ladder
1L,1R,1 pull up
2L,2R,2 pull up
3L,3R,3 pull up
4L,4R,4 pull up
rest 1 mi... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 48 第8周:light day: 1)clean&press 5x(1,2,3) ladder
1L,1R,1 pull up
2L,2R,2 pull up
3L,3R,3 pull up
rest 1 min, then repeat 5 times
2) 70lb snatch, easy pace 5 min, total 100 reps
Medium day: 1)clean&press 5x(1,2,3,4) ladder
1L,1R,1 pull up
2L,2R,2 pull up
3L,3R,3 pull up
4L,4R,4 pull up
rest 1 min... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 49 Pavlos 90kg Kettlebell Jerk 10 reps
another angle
In April this year, Pavlos Georgiardis set a new record for super heavy kettlebell lifting. Pavlos mananged an astonishing 10 one arm jerks with a 90kg kettlebell, beating the previous known record by 3 reps.
There are a few things that make this record even more impressive than it first appears. First, Pavlos doesn’t train specifically for heavy kettlebell lifting, he trains for traditional kettlebell sport (so for jerks that’s with 2×32kg bells... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 50 the deep six
The plan goes like this:
All lifts done right handed without setting the bell down between moves.
- 5 swings
- 5 snatches
- 5 clean and presses
- 5 front squats
- 1 Get up * from the top down ala Shawn Cairnes “the Get down”
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After the last squat, press to lockout, from the lockout do the down phase
of the getup until you are at the firing range position and then get back up.
Now switch hands and repeat the sequence on the left. Try for 5 rounds.
Beginners: Rest 30 seconds after ev... 阅读全帖 |
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