c******i
发帖数: 4091 | 1 新老华人移民在语言法律方面的弱势，面对包装成“笑话”的种族主义言论，感觉很是
棘手。
我们不妨借鉴一下美国人的经验。
比如，鸡毛的犹太女友是个不打自招的种族主义粪子，曾经因为chink言论，遭到日裔
议员的谴责，而当NBC和O'Brien都道歉之后，这个比鸭痴不仅拒绝道歉反而变本加厉。
当这个比鸭痴用black NRA的种族主义语言攻击美国宪法第二修正案时，NRA的反击是坚
决而犀利的。看看NRA一句话剥掉种族主义粪子比鸭痴的画皮：
“ Take a volatile social issue like the second amendment, subtly imply that
the largest organization in defense of that amendment is racist, and then
swipe your comedian plausible deniability card so you can wrap it in satire
without consequence.”
我们面对鸡毛这个种族主义粪子懦夫及其用笑话幽默感为其辩护的帮凶篾片... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2058 | 2 you pathetic haters,
lz' son could very well be tricked,
and all you guys do is to satire. |
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A****Z
发帖数: 694 | 4 页面顶上有disclaimer。是satire news。编来娱乐大众的。 |
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Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 6 BTW, this is not really "Chinglish", but actually "Singlish" - which
incidentally, IS a real creole language used in Singapore...
Check their satire site out: http://www.talkingcock.com/ :)
translate? |
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f*****g
发帖数: 9098 | 7 kao，我名字还在光荣榜上呢。。
你这是在庐山会议上公开私信内容+点名批判啊。。
you are turning my personal interest in you (blush//) into a public debate...
my absolutely good intention in the disguise of seemingly satirical words
went awry, taken by you literally and reduced, unfortunately, to plain
provocation, which i did not mean to be.
i thought i was being very calculated.
i thought i was being extremely smart.
but everything turned out to work against me ultimately.
i am completely misunderstood by a damned hot girl.
my atten |
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d********f
发帖数: 43471 | 8 【 以下文字转载自 ChinaNews 讨论区 】
发信人: tgbqaz (qz), 信区: ChinaNews
标 题: Re: 腾讯又出大事了－－“马话疼”文字狱事件
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov 30 22:32:57 2010, 美东)
你个白痴，不但是个法盲，还是个文盲
看看facebook怎么对待批评公司的人
Facebook Blocking Users
Facebook has also taken the drastic action of blocking the accounts of those
users who speak out against the company. As Venturebeat highlighted
yesterday, the creators of a satirical book which criticized Facebook had
their profiles disabled for a month without any explanation.
你们这已经不是简单批评，一群人在troll，整... 阅读全帖 |
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c******i
发帖数: 4091 | 9 新老华人移民在语言法律方面的弱势，面对包装成“笑话”的种族主义言论，感觉很是
棘手。
我们不妨借鉴一下美国人的经验。
比如，鸡毛的犹太女友是个不打自招的种族主义粪子，曾经因为chink言论，遭到日裔
议员的谴责，而当NBC和O'Brien都道歉之后，这个比鸭痴不仅拒绝道歉反而变本加厉。
当这个比鸭痴用black NRA的种族主义语言攻击美国宪法第二修正案时，NRA的反击是坚
决而犀利的。看看NRA一句话剥掉种族主义粪子比鸭痴的画皮：
“ Take a volatile social issue like the second amendment, subtly imply that
the largest organization in defense of that amendment is racist, and then
swipe your comedian plausible deniability card so you can wrap it in satire
without consequence.”
我们面对鸡毛这个种族主义粪子懦夫及其用笑话幽默感为其辩护的帮凶篾片... 阅读全帖 |
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G**Y
发帖数: 33224 | 10 读帖不仔细呀，底下不是写了
Get news satire from The Borowitz Report delivered to your inbox. |
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发帖数: 3910 | 11 以下节选自 Wiki。有了community就有统一时间的必要了。
During his time as an American envoy to France, Benjamin Franklin, publisher
of the old English proverb, "Early to bed, and early to rise, makes a man
healthy, wealthy and wise",[25][26] anonymously published a letter
suggesting that Parisians economize on candles by rising earlier to use
morning sunlight.[27] This 1784 satire proposed taxing shutters, rationing
candles, and waking the public by ringing church bells and firing cannons at
sunrise.[28] Franklin di... 阅读全帖 |
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f********8
发帖数: 5601 | 12 基本来这个版就看这两人的更新。
xiaopo越来越贴近时事了，但是雕琢略显不够；作品更接近于political satire而不是
笑话。
Eric的笑点有精进。个人建议文字游戏类的可以减量。
总体说来，都有趣！ |
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q**x
发帖数: 1636 | 13 spot on. it's a satirical play. |
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p*e
发帖数: 6785 | 14 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: beijingren (to thine own self be true), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: 出名了，老毕上CNN了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Apr 9 12:53:43 2015, 美东)
(CNN)—A popular Chinese television host known for impromptu satire is now
the subject of controversy after being caught on camera cursing the late
Chairman Mao Zedong.
Bi Fujian, who works for state-run China Central Television, was filmed at a
dinner party singing a revolutionary song that eulogizes the Communist
Party's early years when he start... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 16 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: bluehaha (no 昵称), 信区: Military
标 题: 希拉痢用兵不厌诈把国会班加西听证会给解散了。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Oct 20 13:07:30 2015, 美东)
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Washington was in turmoil on Tuesday
morning as a House select committee abruptly cancelled its Benghazi hearings
shortly after former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced that she
was withdrawing from the Presidential race.
Secretary Clinton’s stunning announcement came at 9:00 A.M., followed by
the committee chairman Tr... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 17 Get news satire from The Borowitz Report delivered to your inbox.
讽刺新闻.用来讽刺,GOP的班加西听证会是针对希拉里总统竞选. |
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i****a
发帖数: 36252 | 18 http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/unlocked-iphone-
Unlocked iPhone Worthless After F.B.I. Spills Glass of Water on It
WASHINGTON (Satire from The Borowitz Report)—Moments after successfully
unlocking the San Bernardino iPhone, the F.B.I. rendered the phone
permanently useless by spilling a glass of water on it, an F.B.I. spokesman
confirmed on Tuesday.
Calling the accident “one of the biggest embarrassments in F.B.I. history,
” bureau spokesman Harland Dorrinson told reporters, “The... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 19 讲真，我笑了，健忘了吧，博导前两天删的帖子咱们以问答形式我给你原帖了吧，奥运
版刚开始那阵子，东北人发的帖子你记得吧，我粉红？美帝打小就告诉孩子升国旗手在
胸口摸着，道格拉斯没这样做老美骂她都是mob.你笑话版扮鬼说政治笑话不欢迎，你掺
的私货劲儿劲儿的，内河马这预测中国五块金牌这么mean,还有二傻子给他说笑话形式
怎么着satire,哥给笑话定义扔上去了，还假装弄个循环程序if else if,套大妈说上纲
上线，许你在笑话版讨论政治侮辱中国，不许我出手defend?羊大爷得了金牌也得批国
旗，你在奥运版的原帖有脸你自己贴，哪条不是煽风点火阴阳怪气儿，玩儿他妈什么悲
情啊，就你是中流砥柱，就你他妈有意思，玩儿得起吗？内河马真当自己是刘郎再世，
我就问一句，中国对你来算是什么定义，那国旗跟你没关系，那国歌也跟你没关系喽。
奥运版里版规维护中国，你被封不冤，你在笑话版的人缘是你当机器人转载的笑话而不
是你的人品，你呀还不如你转载的笑话。 |
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f*********e
发帖数: 3037 | 20 哥们，satire的文体用法学过没有。
还是一用英文写你全部都take seriously了。这就是传说中的文化差异？ |
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i*****e
发帖数: 1694 | 21 “even the patients in the main government hospital have threatened
a hunger strike because of poor services”－我突然之间产生一种荒谬感
，多么上佳的喜剧情节或satire素材，却真正地发生在现实中。
唉，不过说回来哪怕整个乌干达被非人道毁灭了都不关我时，好像人越老，
心就越callous。不过还是呼吁一下有空的话向本地议员写信呼吁关注一下吧
，免得见得太多这些人道援助被利用的情况太多了，大家心都冷了硬了，真正
需要时，大家都不愿意提供了。而且这样做，也确保自己作为纳税人，税款用
得其所。
http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2011/jul/19/us-support-uga |
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发帖数: 231 | 22 此外，年轻人受些挫折很难免（我走的弯路还更多），但请不要轻易相信那些歪门邪道
的捷径，哪怕Mephistopheles再有诱惑力。迷信的东西或大道理就不说了。单从实用主
义角度考虑，不是说歪门邪道不能成功，只是那些能从那方面成功的人，运要高，命要
硬，胆要大，转数要奇快，其实是很危险的，能走那条路的人的资质25岁前已经非常清
楚了。这个世界不是那么黑暗人不为己天诛地灭的，也不是傻猪通街走的。基本上能提
携你的人，既有正常道德观，又不笨。
曾几何时，我真的以为"A clear consciense? when did you acquire this taste
for luxury?"只是在satire上出现。。。真唏嘘。。。 |
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c**********h
发帖数: 496 | 23 每天包办家务，老公还不给办身份的家庭妇女，还有征婚的女同胞们，尤其注意了哦！
英国封建社会的一个女人尚且能有这样的思想，写出这样的文章。而在现代民主的美国
，我们受过的教育胜她百倍，还不能为女权站起来做些力所能及的事情吗？
AFTER considering the historic page, and viewing the living world with
anxious solicitude, the most melancholy emotions of sorrowful indignation
have depressed my spirits, and I have sighed when obliged to confess, that
either nature has made a great difference between man and man, or that the
civilization which has hitherto taken place in the world has been very
partial. I have turned... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 925 | 25 我查查字典才明白satire， 确切点是irony的意思，不是caustic的意思，有时候尺度
难把握一点, 差一点就以小人只心度君子之腹了，见笑，见笑。 |
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a******e
发帖数: 6689 | 26 属于satire一种，比如以央视播报新闻的风格来讽刺央视的假大空，就是parody |
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发帖数: 986 | 27 但是，一个疑问，parody的解释是，讽刺性模仿诗文;诙谐的改编诗文
和您说的特点不一样。
能详细说说吗。
另外，satire的意思却是讽刺作品，讽刺文学。
可以有比较多的例子，儒林外史，官场现形记，老残游记等等。 |
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a******e
发帖数: 6689 | 28 请见楼上。我知道satire范围肯定是比parody大，但如果parody只是背后有所指，不需
要对全部结构进行模仿的话，那么是不是二者就非常接近了？但parody还有一个特点，
有点类似无咎说的“美刺”，绝不在文中明确体现出来是在讽刺，而是作为一个整体，
其存在的本身就是最大的讽刺。从这一点看来，《官场现形记》就肯定不是parody，因
为它的讽刺是外露的，说明了的。 |
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a******e
发帖数: 6689 | 29 这样说来，难道意非讽刺的模仿作品都能算parody么？
我比较感兴趣的是那种表面正襟危坐，似乎在讲一个跟讽刺无关的故事，但结尾你突然
发现，原来这个故事的整体，是极其黑色的，是对现实的一种彻底的嘲弄与抨击，比如
音乐剧Chicago，还有《聊斋》。这样的暗讽作品与一般的讽刺又很有不同，用satire
似乎不足以描述其特色。如果不是parody，那该算哪一类作品呢？ |
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A******u
发帖数: 1279 | 30 I somehow do not like George Orwell. He is no doubt a genius , but his
satiric talent is in degrees poisoned by a vengeful mind and a sickened body. |
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S***n
发帖数: 2932 | 31 蒋中正，哈哈哈，介石，这个名字有问题，不像能做大的。。。哈哈。
我不是复旦的，你讲的这些，都几乎第一次听到，不知道啊。
赵、陈似乎有听过，不过实在没读过什么。。
含垢藏瑕是形容你的，王彬彬我不知道的。
中正之外，我也十分欣喜于“跳脱”，甚至“轻佻”在我看来也常常十分可爱。
个人口味了，荒诞沉思毕竟還是认真端庄的努力，相比之下我其实更钟情于satire，绝
对虚无的否定。
中正、跳脱如何协调呢？篡用朱光潜形容李叔同的：我希望用入世的精神作出世的事情。
和风 |
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发帖数: 82482 | 32 The quality of a magazine depends on the editors and writers, can you find
ones in DuShu as John Updike, John Cassidy, William Langewiesche,
just name a few?
I read some DuShu issues in China, pretty boring. Some pedants write
in un-native Chinese, mingled with weird expressions (non-Chinese, non-
Western, some sort of hybrid, or potpourri), politically shy, humorless,
senseless. They don't know what's satire, what's cartoon, what's literature.
The guys in DuShu even dont' write in fluent Chines |
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s****o
发帖数: 5 | 33 hi, this is belail, i'm using sharco's ID since mine's not activated yet
to or:
I’ve been reading your review on HP V, and to be frankly, i don't really like
your satirical attitude.
First principle of academic research: for all the questions for a certain
phenomenon, the most important one is not "what", "when" ,"where", or "how",
but "why", for which the very one could lead the research from the appearance
to the essence.
However reading harry potter is not one of these moments that we need to |
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发帖数: 720 | 34 Right. Le Guin's works are more like social science fiction. Maybe she was
handling her father's area using her mother's way eh? I dunno about this
Soviet phycist and am really baffled by all political issues. But Shevek's
native society struck a chord with home. It looked familiar and intriguing,
and that's one reason I liked this novel. But she was not doing satire, was
she? She showed and analyzed and evaluated, but did not condescend. In her
writing there was no annoying sense of sup |
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E*******r
发帖数: 308 | 35 http://www.economist.com/node/21564533
我本人虽然不通文、理，因为近世两位德语作家的关系对奥地利，奥匈帝国［＊］文化
在20c的命运、作用一直有兴趣，我对socially influential，seminal的理论也一直仰慕
，因此看到这篇书评后，就去amazon买了kindle version，bedtime一目十行了一下，
完全忘记前，挖个小坑。
我个人印象本书主要两部分，哲学思潮的发展，及其影响下transatlantic （汉译是跨
大西洋么？英美?）policy making的变迁。前1/3概述neoliberalism背后哲学思潮：也
是我比较感兴趣的所谓Austrain school下学者对WWI,II inter-war期间collectivism
，即包括德国national socialism和俄国totalaritarism的反思、批判；介绍最知名三位
Hayek, Popper, 还有一位稍年长的Mises的观点、影响；接下来本书大部分时间讨论
transatlantic policy making，主要有战后50，60K... 阅读全帖 |
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b****n
发帖数: 865 | 36 yeah, really like a satire of SARS... |
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s*********4
发帖数: 22 | 37 转至我的新浪博客:http://blog.sina.com.cn/jiulingwu
(14) 反諷 ( Irony )
眾所周知的事﹐我對任何寫作技巧的正式方法是一無所知的。我經常自己這麼說。
但是做為一個編輯指導﹐有他的要求和責任。比如﹐我必須回覆讀者來信﹐照顧到
任何故事或編輯政策對讀者造成的不愉快。這就意味著﹐我有時被迫必須考慮寫作的
技巧。
這就把我帶回手頭的這個問題。作者使用反諷的問題。
在一九八四年三月號﹐我討論了的諷刺(Satire)。這兩者常被放在一起﹐而且﹐許
多時候常被搞混﹐而把兩者當成是同義辭。他們不是。
我解釋﹐諷刺﹐是用誇張的手法﹐達到譴責人性和社會邪惡的目的﹐把那些邪惡置
于放大鏡之下﹐讓它們無所遁形。
反諷的做法不同。你可以從‘Irony’這個字的希臘源出處得到一點提示﹐它的意
思是掩飾﹑偽裝。一個反諷者必須裝假。典型的反諷者是蘇格拉底。他和別人討論的
時候﹐會不遺余力地假裝無知﹐提出無數天真的問題﹐設計陷阱來對付過份自信的對
手﹐讓他輕率地站住立場﹐然後進一步﹐蘇格拉底用天真的問題﹐證明他那立場是無
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c****t
发帖数: 19049 | 38 HALF-LIVES
the first luisa rey
mystery
I
Rufus Sixsmith leans over the balcony and estimates his body’s velocity
when it hits the
sidewalk and lays his dilemmas to rest. A telephone rings in the unlit room.
Sixsmith dares not
answer. Disco music booms from the next apartment, where a party is in full
swing, and
Sixsmith feels older than his sixty-six years. Smog obscures the stars, but
north and south
along the coastal strip, Buenas Yerbas’s billion lights simmer. West, the
Pacific eternity East... 阅读全帖 |
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c****t
发帖数: 19049 | 39 AN ORISON OF SONMI~451
On behalf of my ministry, thank you for agreeing to this final interview.
Please remember, this
isn’t an interrogation, or a trial. Your version of the truth is the only
one that matters.
TRUTH IS SINGULAR. ITS “VERSIONS” ARE MISTRUTHS.
… Good. Ordinarily, I begin by asking prisoners to recall their earliest
memories to provide a
context for corpocratic historians of the future. Fabricants have no
earliest memories,
Archivist. One twenty-four-hour cycle in Papa Song’s is i... 阅读全帖 |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 40 教你一個字 "satire"。
其實你也不是不懂， 只是裝不懂。 |
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w*********r
发帖数: 3382 | 41 wooo, impressive
i hope it is a satire |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 42 有沒有學過一個字 "satire"?
現在學還來得及。
順便學一下 "sarcasm", "irony" |
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