U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 1 Secret of consistent RPB looping
Until today, I figured out the secrets of consistent RPB.
The first, which I knew before, is the footwork to put you in correct
positions in correct timing.
The second, the most important one, I figured out today via practice today,
is the strong top spin. If I can put a lot of top spins on the backspin
balls, my RPB looping will be much more consistent.
Now, the question is how to put a lot of top spins via RPB. When looping
with RPB, if you feel a strong brushi... 阅读全帖 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 2 Good point.
BTW, bracing it thinly using RPB is not easy for many non-advanced players
of RPB.
For the forehand of penholders, it is easy to do bracing it thinly though.
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so |
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h******r
发帖数: 1578 | 3 能解释一下吗？
"My previous RPB looping has a factor, i.e., lifting forward factor due to
handling under-spin balls, which factor is wrong and which is the reason of
un-consistency because lifting will cause errors due to the different speed
and spin of the coming ball so that it is difficult to produce a perfect
lifting to counter the back-spin." |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 4 At that time, I did not use RPB at all. At that time, I mostly use RPB at
practice, but very fewer in real matches. In recent months (even in USATT
games), I used 60-70% of RPB and 30-40% forehand in real matches. For people
lower than my skill, my RPB is very effective. For people 200+ better than
me, RPB is not very powerful. Now I am thinking that I still need to use
forehand more, which means more of feet movement. I love RPB since it needs
less feet movement so that it saves my energy.
Hope... 阅读全帖 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 5 Thanks for the Baozi.
BTW, I also used RPB. Using it more and being not afraid of lossing the
point will improve our ability of using RPB. In recent games, I use RPB more
than forehand since they always serve/return to my backhand.
When our RPB is as good as forehand, then I do not know where they will serve . |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 6 I guess that WWTT use this way for both forehand and backhand (RPB)
consistently without changing the way of holding the paddle when changing
forehand to/backto backhand.
I think that it is OK for RPB.
RPB is in Evolution. When you was young, RPB was still not mature yet, |
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l****k
发帖数: 3388 | 7 这个星期6
感觉用RPB有了点小小的突破
成功率高得出乎自己的预料
接发球直接横拉，拉台内球，感觉特好。以至于对方原来一直习惯压着我反手的，不知
道该往哪里回球了。
回来好好想了下，觉得可能有以下因素：
1.前些时间和SUGAR搓切，坚定了需要进一步提高RPB及使用频率
2.SUGAR建议用反面搓球。发现不但可以很好锻炼反面手感外，对直接RPB台内球很有帮
助。原来认为“台内太矮的球”，如果有用反面搓的感觉后，会感觉到“其实并不矮”
，可以挑、拉过去（是种感觉）
3.可能也是因为反面重新换回SRRIVL EL（2.1mm)，较好的容错性、比较容易起
球。不知道刷了5遍的海夫打底胶水是不是也有点帮助（目前海夫打底只刷过EL,省狂
III，具体效果还得用些时间才能有比较）
4.反面换来换去10几种，到头还是觉得srivel好用，Ti54+T05+EL就这么定了。最近不
再烧了。专心提高技术。 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 8 How to effectively improve defense for a penholder with RPB, especially for
wide 2
corners as weakness (as mentioned by chen91) ?
Previously, without RPB, push, block, chop, location, counter-loop, etc. Now
with RPB, How to effectively improve defense for a penholder ?
后果
,
球就 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 9 Someone told me previously when I had doubts on RPB due to mistakes of using
it, ' Since you played forehand for many years, you forehand reach the
current level. If you play RPB for that often like your forehand, then your
RPB should be very good. Losing is OK, but just use it.' |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 10 This may be because of timing.
I believe that 直拍深握和浅握 will affect the speed of transition from
forehand loop to RPB. Based on my experience, 深握 is slower in terms of
transition from forehand loop to RPB and vice versa than 浅握. This may be
one reason that it is more likely to hit your figure when you conduct a
forehand and then change to RPB. |
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g****y
发帖数: 1172 | 11 七雪 - 特点，美女蛇型选手，柔中带刚，守中有攻。难缠，防守好，能磨。正手如果
蹲下来用上腰力，
能拉很转的下旋，跟她光靠相持不占上风，借不上力。歪朋这样的风格对他不占大优势
，倒是南大一号，横直或者我
家阿蹄这样的，有一板杀球或者实力球的，我他们有信心。尤其是阿蹄，那板舍我其谁
不顾后果的正手，七雪她应该招架不住，估计只能就范。
dimp - 童子功扎实的一位踏实好胸弟。防守和接发球，那两下就立马透着两个字：蜀
黍我小时候是练过的。我趁他还没热身，又靠他发球连续失误，险胜一盘。warm up 以
后dimp 越战越勇，2：3差点将美女蛇擒下。此人以后尽量避免碰面，希望可以保持全
胜战绩到永远。
rpbmaster - 顾名思义。rpb的死忠粉丝，无论在任何困难条件下，都要用rpb拉我给的
反手球，尽管半数下网，但是精神实在令人钦佩。假以时日，rpb定可望穿大母蹄之断背
。此外，正手拉球也是一绝，基本全部拉的都是高调，一旦上台，习惯死搓的我特别惊
慌失措。
shinn - 东部最感动选手。为了见当年视频里影响了自己乒乓生涯的偶像一面，不远百
里，从西非跑到北华府，给我送来了一双不太合脚... 阅读全帖 |
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c*********r
发帖数: 2097 | 12 直拍横打力量还是不够，比横拍的反手差远了。到现在除了一个王皓，其他人的直拍横
打都只能作为辅助和过渡。
我自己用的体会，RPB拉一板有时候确实出人意料，尤其是对付有些人用反手发急球到
直板反手，用横打很容易把球挂上。
但是如果老用这一招，被人猜中了，它说白了也就是一个比较弱的上旋球，容易被人反
拉，反拉回来我自己的站位还比较被动。RPB 连续拉的话，球的质量很差的。除非你是
王皓。
所以我现在 RPB 就只拉一板，起下旋，或者拉反手急球。
这一板如果我拉到对方反手，我下一板可以侧身，或者推挡到对方的正手大角，比侧身
还隐蔽还实用。
这一板如果接发球的话大概有一小半的几率我会拉直线，护台不好的人很多时候就措手
不及了。但如果被人猜中这个球就很被动。
有人跟我说过，说有时候不知道我横打接发球的时候要往哪拉，因为我引拍的时候手在
台下，离台近，动作也小，他看不见。 |
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k******r
发帖数: 2243 | 13 my current blade is Hurricane Hao, old version. There are several reasons I
choose it:
1. Best RPB blade. My back hand (mainly RPB) has been improved a lot after
use it
2. Excellent deformation when you hit a ball
3. Nice loop blade. The loop given by this balde is more stable and spnning
than other blades I tried.
4. Nice and solid hand feeling.
5. Comfortable to hold. My hand is not large, this blade is just fine for
my hand.
Only one defect: not that good in short control. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 14 Same here!: 侧身打不死对方球被放回到了正手，也挺难受的，
I decided to practice more RPB and in the future, left-come-left (RPB) hit/
loop--and-right-come-right-loop/hit |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 15 that will become more and more like shakehand, why not just change to
shakehand?
it also needs less and less footwork.
I have not seen a good male penholder who can use RPB as well as his
forehand.
Even 2600s coach xiao Liu still uses his forehand mostly.
But for some girls, due to the fact their forehand is not powerful enough,
they would have as consistent RPB as their forehand, eg Zhao Yue, Jiaqi... |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 16 Last time, I saw QQMJ's backhand block for looping is very good and
consistent (in the video).
It appears to me that shake hand is easy for backhand block (against
looping)than penholder. For penholder (like me) I feel that RPB block is
easier for the handshape than
front-side block at backhand. Front-side block at backside needs to put the
paddle in a special angle.
See WMTT today's match, a RPB soft blocking is very good. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 17 Good points.
Sometime, enven I know it is short top spin, it is still difficult to
control the ball ( ball may be out of the table) since 砍式发球 can be very
spining or a little spining. Do we need to attack the serve (for eample use
RPB or strong pushing) or defense (RPB block or frontside block) ? |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 18 First, you need to know the serve: long vs short, forehand vs. backhand,
spin. Then, you need to handle each differently. You cannot 侧身抢拉
before knowing the serve well. Only you know that it is a long ball to your
backhand, you then can 侧身抢拉.
Beside 侧身抢拉, if you are sure that it is strong side-under spin, a
strong chop is another choice to control as defense. However if it is not
under spin, the ball will be returned high. If under spin is less, you can
just push the ball with some angle.
Even y... 阅读全帖 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 19 I am not sure whether it is for RPB or not.
Do you mean RPB should be the same height as forehand ?
: 2. 正手进攻和反手进攻的球拍高度要保持一致，不然容易失误。我觉得这一点对我
特别重要，因为我常常觉得正手能打上
手时的高度比反手高，以后注意改进一 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 20 I am not sure whether it is for RPB or not.
Do you mean RPB should be the same height as forehand ?
: 2. 正手进攻和反手进攻的球拍高度要保持一致，不然容易失误。我觉得这一点对我
特别重要，因为我常常觉得正手能打上
手时的高度比反手高，以后注意改进一 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 21 11 years ago, one friend changed and he lost to everyone. I was thinking
whether I should change shake-hand or not. I told him that it would take him
1-2 years to catch up, and I told myself that I would not change since 1-2
years were too long for me.
Ten years later (last year), when I looked back, I was surprised that 10
years passed just like that, and my skill was still the same as 10 years ago
(almost did not improve in 10 years). I regretted that I did not change 10
years ago.
I was think... 阅读全帖 |
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J********9
发帖数: 36508 | 22 hahaha
不知道10年后，后悔的是不是我....
11 years ago, one friend changed and he lost to everyone. I was thinking
whether I should change shake-hand or not. I told him that it would take him
1-2 years to catch up, and I told myself that I would not change since 1-2
years were too long for me.
Ten years later (last year), when I looked back, I was surprised that 10
years pasted just like that, and my skill was still the same as 10 years ago
(almost did not improve in 10 years). I regretted that I did not chan... 阅读全帖 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 23 I feel that maybe female-shake-approach is more useful for my learning as
male-penholder-RPB.
1. With RPB, we should play like shakehand with two-side looping.
2. Male top players (such as Xu XIn) are too fast (footwork) and too
professional and their approaches could not be learnt by me. Female approaches
may be deserved to learn.
In summary, as a male-penholder, I would learn female-shake-hand approach with consistent two-side loopping. |
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i**********p
发帖数: 1341 | 24 不考虑rpb?
推挡中要是突然换rpb撩个带侧拐的对方很难处理 |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 25 Sorry, accidentally deleted when editing the time of competition. Here again:
Young RPB player Zheng Peifeng from China
Young RPB player Hung Tzu-Hsiang from Taiwan |
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s*****o
发帖数: 1540 | 26 请马上给我发信,告诉我你能审那一篇的编号．要求
１：PHD already obtained in CS and EE
2: 本周末审完
3: let me know your edas id.
下面是一个简单的摘要
article 2: A Challenging Network (CN) is a network paradigm adapting to
the
many issues of the environment in order to guarantee the communication
among
nodes. One of the most important issues of a CN is the problem of secure
cooperation among nodes...
article 3: Delay and Disruption Tolerant networks (DTNs), a model to
predict the amount of data that can be transferred, during a DTN
enco... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 29 this makes sense, S.F. improved a lot after he bought a table at home, guess
he practised a lot in his own garage:-)
i found it is a lot easier to practise tennis serves, i have 200 tennis
balls,
practise serves whenever i could not find a partner due to the fact the
tennis
court is so easy to get one.
i never specified to pratise TT serves, not i do not like to, but it never
happened.
S.F.'s serves and forehand looping have been improved a lot, but his RPB has
a
long way to go. |
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l****k
发帖数: 3388 | 30 这次ENGLISH OPEN，见许昕已完全放弃推档，反手全是RPB，虽然还不是很强。 |
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J********9
发帖数: 36508 | 31 1. 我是在坚持用的 使用频率也很高
2. 我没有试过唉 到反手的球 我都是正面搓；我记得UCSD的3单跟UCLA的三单打的时候
，基本是用反面搓的，我以为是个人习惯问题，难道这真是通往RPB的途径？我要试试
顺便说一下：UCSD那个直板 横打已经到了吴教练说的贴的那一步了 |
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b******e
发帖数: 3348 | 32 “2.SUGAR建议用反面搓球。发现不但可以很好锻炼反面手感外，对直接RPB台内球很有帮
助。原来认为“台内太矮的球”，如果有用反面搓的感觉后，会感觉到“其实并不矮”
，可以挑、拉过去（是种感觉）”
这个没有试过，今天晚上就试试，呵呵。 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 33 as amateurs, who will win a match depends on the whole package of skills we
have,
and depends on how 2 opponents can control each other.
as you play more, you will add more skills to your package, normally when we
get
older, it is more difficult to improve our attacking skills, but it is
relatively
easier to get more defense skills.
Since you are still young, i would suggest you improve your RPB(reverse
penholder
backhand), move a little bit back, and loop from 2 sides, if your backhand
is
close... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 34 it is never too late to start to train footwork, ZHang, HZ is older than
myself,
he trained his footwork 08-10...
It is also common knowledge that penholder needs faster footworker:
1. one side penholder needs to use forehand a lot more often,
2. penholder w/ RPB still needs to cover 5-10% more due to the way the
racket
is held, shakehand's racket can cover 5-10cm more space.
3. shakehand has middle as their weakness, so they normally just to move
their
bodies to hit the ball against their bodie... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 35 depends your talents of using penholder RPB..
there are a few 2000-2200 guys in bay area switched from shakehand
to penholder and easily reached their shakehand levels.
if you can improve ur PRB as well as ur shakehand backhand, you are
there since you will get the serve/return/3rd ball attack advantage
of being a penholder. |
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c*****a
发帖数: 845 | 36 有了RPB也很难，直板在力量上还是不如横板，拉球都拉得比横板费尽。直板只有在台
内球还有点优势。 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 37 Video: Two final top women players in 2011 US OPEN (Short pimps and
Penholder)
LIU Nai Hui vs ZHENG Jiaqi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lY5WpE1Bqg
ZHENG Jiaqi : using short pimp as FH, and using smooth as RPB; using smooth to serve but swith to short pimp quickly after serving
LIU Nai Hui : using short pimp both FH and BH; Traditional Backhand hit with short pimps; using both short pimps and smooth to serve at left side; At left side, she serves using both FH and BH; Serving at leftside with ... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 38 the reason i added LP on my backhand was not due to 步伐和体力.. it is just
one
process for me to really PLAY and enjoy the sports.
I found out i had no way to switch to shakehand or penhold RPB, so why leave
the backhand empty? at least i can return serves better using pips on
backhand. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 39 I did the same. This works if the ball is not powerful (speed), but only
much spin. Reduced speed 挡 for a couple of timea sometime work.
But I guess that after one time of reduced speed 挡, prepare an RPB or
forehand loop/smash is a better way. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 40 Wanghao sometime also used this 直板横搓. I previously in a couple games
also used it since I orginally want do RPB looping, but at the last moment,
I changed my mind, then just did a 直板横搓 for being convienent without
changing shape of paddle. I guess that 直板横搓 has a little side-spin.
USATT2011 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 41 When I do RPB, I has the same feeling as your comments as below.
For top or no-spin return, it sometime confuses me how much 横打 and how
much 横拉 (or even 横挡)
但反手的横拉则相当的不适应，不能蹭得太薄，而且前压送球的动作一定要做到位，不
然很难拉出有质量的球。第一板被挡回来的球，第二板更要注意前压，不然你即使当上
旋球打也很容易出界， |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 42 Good game. WWTT's RPB is very consistent and played more seriously than
previous videos with friends. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 43 For the first two balls missing of 砍式 serve, I missed the same exactly
like you in a couple of recent games by using RPB to handle 砍式 serve. I notice that your later returned the ball a little softly to avoid mistakes. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 44 For the first two balls missing of 砍式 serve, I missed the same exactly
like you in a couple of recent games by using RPB to handle 砍式 serve. I notice that your later returned the ball a little softly to avoid mistakes. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 45 it seems to me 侧身 RPB to 正手位大角 is also another choice . But tthe
angle needs to be controled, otherswise, it will be out. |
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S*********r
发帖数: 4729 | 46 At my level, I normally just push to the forehand angle, or erect my
paddle and chop it very strongly. I can't do well with RPB especially with
top spin short ones.
very
use |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 47 Penholder can also RPB 拨 or forehand 拨.
It appears to me that 拨 is good for no-spin or a little-spin, it seems to
very spinning top spin is difficult to 拨, ???? |
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v***v
发帖数: 5504 | 49 学到了，看来对付这样的砍死发球还不得不用rpb了。不过看达叔每个球回得都很小心
的，搞个发球机专门发这个球给你，以后每个都给它一拍子搞死 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 50 Why 拧直线, not RPB-hit 直线?
拧直线 for what kinds of balls ? |
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