j***b
发帖数: 5901 | 1 I totally respect your position. Myself don't pay much attention to other
health hazard. But as about stuff that goes into lungs, I'd like be more
careful. As I said, I'm feeling some discomfort after working in the attic
with mask. I'll definitely wear better mask next time. Mean while, I'm a
little worried about my family since I may have been bringing fiber glass
into my house.
So you see, this is when I don't have 石棉. Figure what if I have. All the
arguments 石棉 regulation assume that people ... 阅读全帖 |
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j***b
发帖数: 5901 | 2 Once again, my logic totally relies on the danger of 石棉, at least for people in certain industry, being an established fact. |
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d***e
发帖数: 1215 | 3 我觉得吧，讨论什么东西有害，怎么生活健康都是好事情。但是常在这个版上看见有些
言论让人有些觉得太缺乏基本科学认识，比如
“阁楼上吸到了石棉，马上呼吸不适了”
“头晕眼花，因为是闻了新橱柜的味道，某某人就是因为装修污染不到一年就癌症死了”
“因为不吃organic, 所以长了癌症”
“某某住高压线下面，所以一家都生病了”
科学上要证明两件事情的关联，是需要大量证据的，某些东西就算是有害，但是还没有
哪个专家敢说得跟这个版上的健康生活大师那么无比肯定。 |
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发帖数: 94654 | 4 石棉有害是长期的
吸入以后瞬间得了间皮瘤，这个人也太牛了
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f****i
发帖数: 20252 | 5 我也来举个例子好了
以前在学校的时候，实验室有个测天线的chamber，每次进去测个东西，马上头晕。当
时觉得肯定是被电磁波辐射了，所以导致头晕。
工作以后整天接触这破电磁波，强度高了十几倍，根本没头晕过，倒是盯显示屏久了会
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j***b
发帖数: 5901 | 6 Your argument is totally idiotic.
I feel discomfort after inhaling fiber glass (I never said 石棉) is a simple
fact. I need no 基本科学认识 to know this. And there is no 基本科学认识
that goes against this.
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j***b
发帖数: 5901 | 7 Before I hear more idiotic comments about my "feeling discomfort from
inhaling fiber glass", let's just read this.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/124778-fiberglass-breathing-danger-effects/
Respiratory Distress
Inhaling the material could cause irritation of the mouth, nasal passage and
throat. The Illinois Department of Health's fact sheet reports the
fiberglass strands or dust can be easily inhaled. Mucous membranes in air
passages are particularly sensitive to foreign particles. The inhale... 阅读全帖 |
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d***e
发帖数: 1215 | 8 问题是你呼吸不适这个原因到底是因为fiber glass还是因为其他原因呢？引起呼吸不
适的原因可以非常多，可以是fiber glass，也可能是粉尘，也可能是冷空气，或者空
气太干燥，你怎么就那么肯定是fiber glass呢？最基本的科学认知就是没有充分调查
研究前不要下那么肯定的结论。
simple |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 9 买个好点的face mask吧
不过这个话题和石棉无关貌似
and
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j***b
发帖数: 5901 | 10 You win. Just inhale as much fiber glass as you want. |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 11 会不会fiber glass成瘾，每天不吸点就浑身没劲？ |
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f****i
发帖数: 20252 | 12 就算基准facts是对的，论证的逻辑有问题的话，也就是推个白马非马
people in certain industry, being an established fact. |
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b*a
发帖数: 17670 | 13 今年我在国内看了一个电视节目。一农妇喝农药成瘾，一天不喝都不行。 |
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b**i
发帖数: 257 | 16 To be fair, she said she inhale fiberglass and felt itchy throat. I did felt
itchy right after working with some fiberglass for insulation. So I think
that's not exaggeration. |
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j***b
发帖数: 5901 | 17 I recall yesterday when I first mention my problem with fiber glass, someone said it may be mold.
Now it seems to me that some people are seriously in doubt of materials like fiber glass and 石棉 damaging the lungs. I just want to tell them "you shouldn't". Dusts, no matter what, damage the lung. It's pretty much established COMMON SENSE.
Let's have common sense. |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 18 同意，所以要尽量少吸入粉尘
这个是有没有石棉的房子都有的问题
someone
like |
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f****i
发帖数: 20252 | 19 有异物纤维进入肺部总不是好事
如果是人体能够分解的物质还好，稳定的物质才更麻烦
someone said it may be mold.
like fiber glass and 石棉 damaging the lungs. I just want to tell them "you
shouldn't". Dusts, no matter what, damage the lung. It's pretty much
established COMMON SENSE. |
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j***b
发帖数: 5901 | 21 I'm astounded that people still need to feel fiber glass to know this stuff
is irritating.
felt |
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d***e
发帖数: 1215 | 22 人的肺部有清除异物的功能的，痰不是干这个的吗。
you |
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b*a
发帖数: 17670 | 23 你这个有些抬杠了。筒子们没说玻璃纤维无害。事实上，你初到任何一个有尘有烟，甚
至到厂房的车间里，都会有类似的感觉
stuff
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j***b
发帖数: 5901 | 25 Yes, I'm the 抬杠 one when people say inhaling fiberglass won't cause
irritation.
I knew fiber glass is tricky stuff since I was a child. I won't expected everyone to be exposed to it as child, but don't you even touch some insulation as home owners? |
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d***e
发帖数: 1215 | 27 我不否认fiber glass会刺激呼吸道，只不过我觉得你说你呼吸道不适的原因的时候把
话说得太肯定了，这个版上很多人一谈到健康问题的时候都爱把话说得太肯定。
stuff |
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j***b
发帖数: 5901 | 28 No, I've been to 有尘有烟,甚至厂房的车间里. I never had such feeling after
that. |
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d***e
发帖数: 1215 | 29 不清楚是否能100%清理出来，但是如果大部分清理不出来的话，活到这个岁数你的肺也
早该被粉尘填满了。去看看你家furnance的filter就知道了，一年下来能攒够多少灰尘
啊，这个肺吸几十年空气，那不早该给填满了。 |
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f****i
发帖数: 20252 | 30 nobody
这是原帖，然后她就发飙了
发信人: Huan2007 (胡绵涛), 信区: Living
标 题: Re: 老美真是虚伪：seller 找 handyman除掉asbestos后重新list
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Oct 26 00:35:01 2010, 美东)
阁楼最有可能是太潮导致空气中有大量霉菌，刺激您老的呼吸道
的。 |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 32 哦，说的是你啊，哈哈，我根本不知道这个是有具体事例的:D |
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f****i
发帖数: 20252 | 33 她家楼上有fiber glass，没有石棉，所以不是她，哈哈。 |
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j***b
发帖数: 5901 | 34 This ID replied my post to ridicule me, I didn't take notice of it, and he/
she reposted it to start this thread. |
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d***e
发帖数: 1215 | 35 呵呵，那个贴不是讨论石棉吗，你在里面说呼吸不适，我还以为是说吸石棉呢。Anyway
,不要动那么大的气，呼吸不适，癌症啊生病啊啥的都是客观现象，我主要是觉得有些
人爱乱归结原因，至少结论下得太肯定，推理非常不严谨。
有些 |
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j***b
发帖数: 5901 | 40 Talk about "Qu Xian Jiu Guo" |
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d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 41 北方农村主要病患都是来自燃烧秸秆。 产煤的地方主要来自煤尘。 还有铁矿铁厂的氧
化铁粉尘致病的。
有些人确实太神经兮兮了， 一口一个什么其它不说， 只说石棉。
石棉这东西， 早在高中化学实验就拿来垫酒精灯， 又不是什么了不起的东西，
说的跟钴60似的。
就是钴60， 也就第一次试验认真的洗手回家换衣服， 2-3次以后也就爱谁谁去吧。 每
天提心吊胆忧生虑死的， 活着还有什么意味呢。 |
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d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 42 好像上次有个告烟草的赢了，
你其实应该举手机的例子， 这个才是当今的老大。
". |
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d***e
发帖数: 1215 | 43 我就总觉得我这身体早在国内给各种有害有毒物质弄得全身毒了。偏偏又是化学实验室
工作的，工作这么多年下来，又攒了一身毒。大毒都累积了那么多了，还真不用在乎些
石棉啊，高压线什么的东西。吃再多的organic跟早年中的毒比起来也是九牛一毛啊。
偏偏现在身体还特别好，也不知道哪天会不会来个癌症。等我哪天得了癌症再来血泪控
诉石棉和高压线吧。 |
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d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 44 别臆测了， 80年代以前所有的房子都大量使用石棉。
美国有些地区90%的residence都是80年代以前的， 如果对residence有影响， 早就炒
作上天了。 实际上现在DOB对石棉也不是强制拆除， 你要拆去申报， 不拆没人理你。
中国则现在还在广泛使用石棉， 除了产业工人， 你去找个居民住宅因为石棉大面积致
病的例子去。
还一口一个sci, 一口一个数据呢。
find data as to how residents are affected. But I think it may be simply
difficulty in collecting such data. At least, if you want to say that
residents are safe in building with 石棉, it's you who need to provide such
data, right?
reasonable to avoid house with 石棉 or at least with disturbed 石棉. No
attorneys are in... 阅读全帖 |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 45 我吃了几次邻居送的后院种的瓜果就下定决心开始种菜了
不在乎organic不organic
口感太好了，呵呵
本周末就开始弄 lol |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 47 哪里的种子好？hd的不行？
Local nursery的呢？ |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 50 彻底瓜果蔬菜盲，呵呵，现在从头学起
说说南加现在种啥好
据说白菜，这么便宜的东西不甘心啊，哈哈
蒜薹啥的行不 |
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