|
h**********n
发帖数: 394 | 2 现在还是1:9缠距。PWS 的另一个好处是1:8 的缠距。
receiver |
|
h**********n
发帖数: 394 | 3 预算$1000 不包括optic, 现有三个选择：
1） 进一把custom DI upper, 16" Bravo Company CMV barrel 1/7 twist, mid-
length, 15 inch MIDWEST INDUSTRIES SS SERIES rail, NiBor BCG, PWS FCS556
compensator/flash hider 或者 YHM PHANTOM MUZZLE COMP , 5.56 NATO Chamber,
Bravo Company Charging handle medium. 详情请见 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=353393326
2）或者进另一把 custom DI upper, 16" Bravo Company Stainless barrel 1/8
twist, mid-length, 12 inch YHM SLR RAIL, Nickel Boron BCG, 详情请见 http://www.gunbroker.com/Au... 阅读全帖 |
|
h**********n
发帖数: 394 | 4 据说很有这个可能，平时使用轻巧才是王道啊。不过真要是出了事儿，我还是更倾向于
不用擦油的 long-stroke piston 设计。明年降价时再购入最后一把 PWS MK114
piston upper 这辈子就不再买 piston AR 了 |
|
n***s
发帖数: 10056 | 5 What other pros besides 不用擦油 for long-stroke piston?
于: 不用擦油的 long-stroke piston 设计。明年降价时再购入最后一把 PWS MK114 :
piston upper 这辈子就不再买 piston AR 了 |
|
h**********n
发帖数: 394 | 6 1) Less parts than DI AR, so less likely to malfunction. No o-ring failures
or gas tube problem. Agreed or not, a solid piston rod is stronger than a
gas tube with a tiny diameter where the majority of carbon fouling and
buildup takes place (in addition to the upper receiver and the BCG).
2) Piston AR is getting lighter designs as we speak, eg: PWS MK1 Mod1 series
, Adams Arms EVO with Samson rail.
3) Piston AR is considerably more reliable than contemporary DI AR in
torture test and adverse bat... 阅读全帖 |
|
h**********n
发帖数: 394 | 7 Wow, thanks for the insight! 全都记到小抄上了.
1)关于Flash hider, 我现在所有的piston guns 都用的是 A2, 除了SCAR 16上的PWS
FSC556, 一直就很喜欢
compensator/ FH combo. 好像Smoth Vortex 和 SureFire 作为FH评价最高，很难选择。
2）barrel 是个大问题。DI barrel 的选择要比 piston AR 复杂多了，你说的FN CHF
1/7 我赞同，因为Adcor BEAR Elite 上使用的基本上也是他们家这一款，精度很让我
满意，只不过可惜是M4 profile。Bravo Company 的枪管和FN 比怎么样？很多朋友都
建议我选择BC 的 Stainless 410. 我一直没用过Stainless barrel AR, 不知道值不值
得牺牲耐用性来提高精度？我平时打的都是$10／盒以下的brass 弹药，极少数在AR上
使用match grade ammo.
3）rail 方面我觉得YHM 2013年的 12.5" SLR 就不错，一共13oz... 阅读全帖 |
|
|
T******s
发帖数: 1107 | 9 我第一支是普通突突mp15。第二支搞了PWS的16寸piston。往后有deal的话可能会再搞
支SS管打精度。 |
|
s*m
发帖数: 1896 | 10 pws的piston upper好像很贵啊，都赶上别人的整枪了。 用着效果如何?
另外好像他们推荐同时换他们的heavy buffer tube ，你也换了吗? |
|
s***3
发帖数: 61 | 11 有朋友帮助解释一下 PWS的 MK1, Mod 1 Rifle, 18"(mid length gas piston system)
和MK1, Mod 1 Rifle, 16"(carbine length gas piston system.)的区别和优缺点?
有必要上18''吗? |
|
k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 12
system)
PWS Mod 1是活塞AR,piston drive....
18长，重(鸡肋，不太适合做SPR,精度拼不过DI SPR)
16适中
14.5最短最轻
没什么特殊要求，啥都玩，野外生存找肉，SHTF，16",初速高一些。
喜欢战术射击，巷战，CQB,买14.5 pinned muzzle device. |
|
S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 13 Go with a 16" pws if you want piston AR.
I wouldn't pick DDM4V2, I rather get the V5 if I really want a ddm4. |
|
|
m*******e
发帖数: 1569 | 15 how about this pws VS lwrc m6? any comment?
when I picked up my gun last week, the sales also mentioned that accuracy is
more towards DI type vs Gas piston. So I guess dd v5 is a good one if go
with DI type? |
|
S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 16 DDm4 is not know for tack driving accuracy, it doesn't have a stainless
steel match grade barrel like some of the target rifles do, but rumor says
it could shoot around 1 moa with good ammo (as do most decently built ARs)
Pws shouldn't be very far behind on accuracy, the newer mk1 has a wylde
chamber and finally free floating handguard.
With either choice don't think you will be disappointed.
is |
|
|
m*******e
发帖数: 1569 | 18 谢谢扫盲，要早点看到大家的留言我就跳pws啦，不过我的枪都拿回来了也就不多想了
。1500-2000的di你会推荐哪些？dd还是bushmaster? 或者sig也可以？我的piston是16
寸管的，是不是搭配个短管的di挺好？ |
|
h**********n
发帖数: 394 | 19 同上， Bushmaster 只能算低档次品牌。$1500-2000 只有上Noveske 或者 Rainier
Arms 了。16" 或者 14" 其实无大碍，但你如果上高质量DI,还是16" 好一些，为了保
持精度和威力。我的PWS 14" 在三百米的靶场上精度和16”的custom DI差不多，完全
取决于弹药的选择。 |
|
|
f********r
发帖数: 3155 | 21 普通平民玩枪，导气式的AR就很好，还便宜，还零件通用
买piston AR之前，不妨看看专家怎么说的。
Larry Vickers's Avatar
Subject Matter Expert
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,129
iTrader: (0)
DI vs Piston AR's
Not sure if I posted this in my SME forum before but here goes; many of my
students have heard this and I mention it on my carbine I & II DVD's-
Piston AR's have their place- to determine if you need one ask yourself four
questions;
1) Do I need a barrel length shorter than 14.5 inches
2) Do I need to run my gun suppressed ... 阅读全帖 |
|
T******s
发帖数: 1107 | 22 上到下 第一是 PWS，第二是 BCM 16" SS410 with Tory Vtac Alpha 13"，第三把AR
是 S&W MP15 orc. 短的是 SIG
P226 |
|
T******s
发帖数: 1107 | 23 上到下 第一是 PWS，第二是 BCM 16" SS410 with Tory Vtac Alpha 13"，第三把AR
是 S&W MP15 orc. 短的是 SIG
P226 |
|
A****7
发帖数: 46 | 24 ar15的范围太大了吧， 有.22, 556, 300, 308各种口径。 .22能打个兔子，火鸡啥的
。 556能打个coyote。 300和308打鹿绰绰有余吧。 你说打鹿不好瞄，估计你用红点吧
。你用把猎枪装红点一样不好瞄。 关于ar比较沉， 那就要看你选什么牌子了。 PWS的
ar, 556口径的16寸管，不算弹夹，净重6磅10. 308口径的16寸管， 净重8磅9. 这重量
不比猎枪差。 |
|
s*****r
发帖数: 814 | 25 新进的PWS MK1 MOD1 16"。 第一把长的。
还没来得及拍照，就先上几张copy的。
顺便SHOW一下短的。
开始玩也有3，4个月了。烧了快上万刀了。还好LD给力，这里赞一下，尽管人家基本从
来不来mit. |
|
h**********n
发帖数: 394 | 26 恭喜了！ 您是一步到位啊。 PWS 是个很好的选择。相信越来越多对piston AR 有兴趣
以及有偏见的朋友会注意到这个品牌的。 |
|
h*********n
发帖数: 11319 | 27 啥叫AI啊？
话说我打算搞个PWS Triad，据说可以基本完全消除muzzle rise。不知道这里有人用过
没有 |
|
|
c********g
发帖数: 530 | 29 那个比较popular
556现在有卖$1000, MK1 $1800, CX4 不知道
在加州，是不是都要加bullet button? 如果是这样，只能在靶场练了，家防没法用 |
|
|
|
|
|
e*f
发帖数: 1709 | 34 One is allowed to own a ruger mini 14 ranch model with a 10 round
detachable mag in CA.
In case you run out of mags, you can still feed a round
in the chamber by hand easily, and use it as a single round
rifle, thanks to the open action design of Garand. This type of action
is also very easy to clear a jam if you ever encounter one and
is very robust in adverse conditions with dust, abuse (thanks to its all
steel sturdy parts) or no cleaning. |
|
r*********e
发帖数: 7733 | 35 botach, 9mm 575刀，3个弹夹，免邮费。
.45 更便宜，才525刀。 |
|
i**e
发帖数: 6810 | 36 需要，还要弄长枪管或者stock。现在有bullet button 卖了。
不过加州长枪除了shotgun家防价值都有限吧。
这个review里有不少cx4 pros and cons。 |
|
b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 37 depends on the PWS... try "Arcadia No. of Foothill" |
|
f*********0
发帖数: 886 | 38 我弄得这个是midsize, 我称了称重量， 350克左右。 我还挥得动。
16 oz 太夸张了。足足有 450克阿。aTm 你不会是用这样的拍子在虐人吧？
下面是引用于bbs.dono.com.cn
这是tw上某位提到的：
Specs:
12.9 oz. (strung stock)
7 pts. HL (strung stock)
A classic beast!
they came before the 6.0 85 and the 6.0 85 was designed based on the Wilson Sting...
The Stings with the PWS bumps are extremely rare... since they were only made for a short time before it was phased out...
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Reviews/60/ProstaffOrigins.html
Wilson's reponse to the POG. Three sizes: |
|
Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 39 $4?!!
sheesh I need to go to garage sales more often... Does this one have PWS?
can't really tell from the photos. Bet it's a very soft stick :) btw are
you coming to cinci as well? |
|
Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 40 Nah I only know a little about the prostaffs since I used the 6.0 and the 6.
1c for a long long time, and obviously both of them got those bump things
around the 9 and 3'o clock. You should continue digging around - who knows
maybe you'll get lucky and pick up a St Vincent for like $10!
PWS是很少的，因为很快被Prostaff替代了。 |
|
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 41 hehe, 偶这个是黑底红条纹，和你那个长得不一样。不过唯一的区别似乎就是前面
多个bumper guard, 并且你有PWS偶没有。
欧还没有正式打，所以感觉不好说，呵呵。但是可以确定的是比欧那个Graphite
Force 85要stiff. |
|
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 42 中间PWS的地方，左边的拍子的横线比右边的密。
总之两个拍子的孔不完全一样，同一副grommet无法在两个拍子上都使用。 |
|
K*******6
发帖数: 74 | 43 重开一楼，大家过来顶！这帖子是从 奔甜点
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Tennis/31463141.html
移过来，借chinesegogo的光。
Wilson Pro Staff mid size(6.0)的前身今世
Wilson first manufactured the Wilson pro staff 125, It is a 125 head size
racket with braided graphite. Then Wilson decided to reduce the head size
and put both successful Wilson Ultra and Sting into together. I believe the
Wilson Sting doesn't have PWS on it. KennyD, please verify that. The
Wilson Pro Staff Midsize is manufactured in 1982 until 2003/4, Then Wilson... 阅读全帖 |
|
K*******6
发帖数: 74 | 44 从上到下 版3，2，1，
版1 Midsize mark on the outside throat, nothing inside.
版2 Midsize mark on the outside throat, nothing inside.
版3 Outside: Braided Graphite, Inside: PWS system. 其实这版更接近于China
and Taiwan versions |
|
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 45 测试了一下，中国版PS85由于挥重小，比Sting Mid好挥，但是比Sting stiff,
所以力量并不吃亏。另外PWS似乎对增加甜点面积似乎有一定帮助。
其余几乎没有什么区别。
总之Sting更稳，更control, 甜点更小，要求更高。
PS85更轻，更好用，更容易spin, control稍差。 |
|
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 46 En, pws.
Delpo怎么可能换拍子？他换pj已经很令偶惊奇了。上次换pj，导致wrist
injury... |
|
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 47 应该是Wilson, 16x19, 没有PWS. 偶目睹了她痛宰了麦克黑儿。 |
|
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 48 有什么复杂的？3/9点越重，越难被扭。这个就是Wilson PWS发明的原理。 |
|
|
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 50 这两张照片再次证明了科娃用的带PWS的只不过是个steam涂装. |
|
