n****u 发帖数: 229 | 1 prpfx has holding on gold. and gold has 28% tax.
i bought prpfx too last year. LOL
i can tell how much money you contributed to this fund. LOL
i use turbo tax to do all of dirty work.
di |
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r***e 发帖数: 2539 | 2 【 以下文字转载自 Investment 讨论区 】
发信人: reuse (reuse), 信区: Investment
标 题: prpfx有28% collectible gain
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 7 22:25:28 2012, 美东)
去年在普通账户买了几千刀的prpfx,这次收到1099-div。显示total capital gain di
stribution =18.63,但是包括有2.66刀的28% collectible gain。看了下,好像必须
填1040长表,然后还要填schedule D, 那个weeksheet又狂复杂。
今年是第一次在普通账户买基金,赚了几十块钱,却惹了一身骚。
大家说这个2.66刀能忽略吗,直接填个1040A,在total capital gain distribution里
面填上18.63?
谢谢了! |
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H**********k 发帖数: 2158 | 3 来自主题: Investment版 - PRPFX 恩,金子也涨了不少。今年我长期账户里面表现比较好的
GLD
FRFHF
PRPFX |
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c**********l 发帖数: 606 | 4 来自主题: Investment版 - PRPFX PRPFX有 ~0.8%的FEE. 我更愿意用自己配的 4X25 |
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m*******e 发帖数: 99 | 5 Permanent Protfolio PRPFX:
hard assets:
gold 20%
silver 5%
Swiss-franc-denominated assets 10%
Treasurey securities 35%
natural resources and real estate stocks 15%
aggressive growth stocks 15%
source: kiplinger's |
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T*********e 发帖数: 9208 | 6 重仓prpfx, 现在都不知道aseet allocation是什么比例了,faint阿 |
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h***y 发帖数: 710 | 7 有25%在激进型股票里。这块亏了不少。
不过prpfx算是不错了。我的一半portfolio是它,要不然亏惨了。 |
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r***e 发帖数: 2539 | 8 去年在普通账户买了几千刀的prpfx,这次收到1099-div。显示total capital gain di
stribution =18.63,但是包括有2.66刀的28% collectible gain。看了下,好像必须
填1040长表,然后还要填schedule D, 那个weeksheet又狂复杂。
今年是第一次在普通账户买基金,赚了几十块钱,却惹了一身骚。
大家说这个2.66刀能忽略吗,直接填个1040A,在total capital gain distribution里
面填上18.63?
谢谢了! |
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w***n 发帖数: 1519 | 9 先谢过楼主的包子。
我也是菜鸟,瞎说两句仅供参考:
1.看基金的组成,有没有你想要的资产组合,比例是不是你希望看到的;2.看基金成立
了多久,中间是否换过经理,太新的还不能信赖,得给它些时间先证明自己;3.看收益
,不光是1年2年手气好坏,得看5年10年是不是一直很稳定;4.看risk,max draw down
有多大,是你能接受的吗,你会忍受不了把它过早卖了吗;5.看expense ratio,几十
年下来这个有可能吃掉你相当一部分收益;6.其它种种不一而足。
具体到prpfx,这是根据Harry Browne的 permanent portfolio 一个比较早期的版本建
立的基金。具体内容可以自己google一下,你会发现prpfx的holding和Harry Browne
后来的版本并不完全一样(比如cash的部分是瑞士法郎,再比如里边塞了很高比例的
real estate和natural resource...)。不同的人看法不一样,我更喜欢prpfx的这个
版本,应为它稍微倾向的是一副gloomy 的前景,至少适合你用来对冲手里的growth
assets。prpfx的 ... 阅读全帖 |
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j****h 发帖数: 219 | 10 第一项是笔误,应该是 VTSMX
如果对黄金投资 GLD 不放心的话,可以用 PRPFX。 PRPFX 拥有的是实物黄金。
PRPFX 每年的收益要比 4X25 少 1%,其中 0.7% 交了管理费。好处是省心,不用每年
去BALANCE。 |
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a*********g 发帖数: 8087 | 11 PRPFX 好像不是专门的黄金资产
有其他的资产就是lz说的PP fund
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=491096&cmpto=NYSE:GLD&cmptdms=0&q=MUTF:PRPFX& |
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j****h 发帖数: 219 | 12 PRPFX 的 MANAGER “Michael J. Cuggino”是从2003开始管理的。
什么时候如果他被换了,应该立刻出售全部的PRPFX。 |
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S**C 发帖数: 2964 | 13 You are exactly right.
PRPFX has 20% gold, 5% silver, 10% Swiss bond, 15% REIT and Natural
resources, 15 aggressive growth stocks, and 35% US bond.
If you construct a portfolio using 25% gold, 45% VBMFX (Vanguard Total Bond), 7.5% XLE, 7.5% VGSIX (Vanguard REIT) and 15% VIRGX (Vanguard Growth Index), and rebalance at the year-end every year, you get similar performance from 1/1/2004. Mr. Cuggino takes over PRPFX at mid-2003.
I am not suggesting Mr. Cuggino has no talent. But given the fixed
allo |
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w******g 发帖数: 82 | 14 risk-free 基本上是不可能的,存银行除外。
若能承担一点点risk,年return 超过1.5%的还是有不少的。
Harbor Bond Instl HABDX (bond) 5-star
Total Return % (11/11/10)
1-Day 1-Week 1-Month 3-Month YTD 1-Year 3-Year 5-Year 10-Year 15-Year
HABDX -0.15 -0.98 -0.15 1.98 10.02 10.37 9.65 8.21 7.61 7.36
Permanent Portfolio PRPFX (conservative allocation) 5-star
Total Return % (11/11/10)
1-Day 1-Week 1-Month 3-Month YTD 1-Year 3-Year 5-Year 10-Year 15-Year
PRPFX 0.20 0.29 2.92 11.37 16.73 16.46 8.22 11.08 11.62 8.49 |
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T*********e 发帖数: 9208 | 15 这个表现好象还不如prpfx
1 year 15.97%
3 year 6.53%
5 year 7.74%
如果按15%-35% rebalance,
1 year 13.13%
3 year 6.14%
5 year 7.34%
prpfx
1 year 20.54%
3 year 9.18%
5 year 10.22% |
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T*********e 发帖数: 9208 | 16 I like pp too, but i don't like the idea of putting 25% into cash. shy is ju
st flat in the last decade. you basically times the return of investment
with 0.75. if you really want to damp the vibration why not do 50% or even
100% cash?
if you already have emergency fund, it's unnecessary to invest 25% into cas
h imo.
overall i am not sure if i want to manage the individual parts of the pp mys
elf, or just invest in prpfx. prpfx seems to have higher return but also hig
her risk(with the cash part... 阅读全帖 |
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m**********r 发帖数: 887 | 17 Cash is supposed to be flat. Have you back tested the portfolio if you take
out the cash part? Cash is a necessary buffer in the portfolio and do not
forget sometimes "cash is king". In 2002 and 2008 Your emergency fund will
cover the daily expense if you lose job but you need cash to "buy property
when there is blood on street".
The four ETF funds are cheaper compare to PRPFX and present the original
idea of pp(except paper gold). Following the 15-35 rule, you only rebalance
less than once a ye... 阅读全帖 |
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r***e 发帖数: 2539 | 18 自己研究了一下:
据说经济形势好转,加上QE3结束,对inflation的担心减少,所以TIPS跌的比一般的bo
nd更厉害。
prpfx据说和interest rate负相关,所以比较惨。黄金和bond都不行。
据说在interest rate上行的时候,stock:bond=60:40比prpfx更好。 |
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j****h 发帖数: 219 | 19 (1) prpfx
RISK MEASUREMENT (3-YEAR)
Fund vs S&P 500
R-Squared 51.00
Alpha 0.65
Beta 0.45
BEST/WORST 3-MONTH RETURN
Date Return
Best 1/31/2006 8.90%
Worst 10/31/2008 -18.06%
(2) HSTRX
Fund vs S&P 500
R-Squared 10.00
Alpha 0.74
Beta 0.13
BEST/WORST 3-MONTH RETURN
Date Return
Best 1/31/2009 8.69%
Worst 10/31/2008 -6.63% |
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j****h 发帖数: 219 | 20 SGIIX 换了MANAGER后变差了,应该抛弃。
DODFX,LSBRX, MCHFX 我都有。
PRPFX 放在 TAXIBLE 账户。 |
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l*********e 发帖数: 7492 | 21 en.
是sgiix原来的manager跑去开了个ivwix
prpfx里面都是金子和bond? |
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r****e 发帖数: 867 | 22 en, 我总觉得付0.84%的management fee给这种类型的fund有点亏, 一般的bond fund管
理费比stock fund低. 的确prpfx最近的表现很不错 |
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j****h 发帖数: 219 | 23 在 FIRSTRADE 主要有:
TIP
DODFX
MCHFX
UNWPX
在 FIDELITY 主要有:
PRPFX
LSBRX
FIGRX
DBA
MONEY Market has 30% right now. |
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s******d 发帖数: 323 | 24 not the fund PRPFX, but the actual portfolio proposed by Harry Browne.
It's such a simple, but unintuitive, but again excellent idea.
the allocation goes like this:
25% gold: economic and political turbulence, unexpected inflation
25% LT treasury bond: deflation, flight to quality
25% cash: recession, expected inflation
25% stocks: prosperity
gold, LT t-bond, cash are all considered bad long term investment ideas,
but together in this portfolio they work beautifully. It will never
get you super |
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s******d 发帖数: 323 | 25 I thought so at first. but it's getting more amazing the more I thought
about it.
PRPFX sort of inherit the idea with the following allocation
20% gold
5% silver
10% swiss franc
15% natural resource + REIT
15% growth stocks
35% dollar, including both long term bond and short term bills
It emphasis more towards inflation protection over deflation.
yeah right, helicopter Ben knows how to get over deflation anyway..
but when it happens, e.g. second half 2008, the 4x25 portfolio
certainly did better |
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p***n 发帖数: 635 | 26 好的,我对印度俄罗斯不是很感冒,更新:
0)大混 10% (PRPFX)
1)债券 20% (MWTRX)
2)巴西 EWZ 15%
3)天朝 FXI 10%
4)米帝 SPY 10%
5)能源 IXC 10%
6) 金子 GLD 10%
7)其他材料/日本 15%
还有一个问题,长期持有ETF好还是类似的基金好?譬如FXI之与MCHFX。
not
brazil
i |
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l*********e 发帖数: 7492 | 27 来自主题: Investment版 - 我来出个题 直接买prpfx? |
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j****h 发帖数: 219 | 30 EEM 比 IVV 好,LQD 比 EMB 好。所以在这个组合里, 如果加入 IVV 和 EM
B 就拖后腿了。
其实我极力推荐 PRPFX (分期买入)作为长期投资。
Expected Return 9.1% ; Volatility 10.9%
那些免费ETF是用来交易的。 |
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S**C 发帖数: 2964 | 31 PRPFX had a great run for last 10 years, and it stinks for a much longer
time. I personally do not think such an fixed allocation will win in the
long run. |
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c**********l 发帖数: 606 | 32 PRPFX is a quasi-fixed allocation, has very little to do with fund managers.
i am brain-washed to be an indexer: passive >> active management. |
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H**********k 发帖数: 2158 | 33 来自主题: Investment版 - PRPFX 貌似不错。二月初进的,六月底又加了点,比SPY强不少。
也没什么费用。 |
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l*********e 发帖数: 7492 | 34 来自主题: Investment版 - PRPFX 托金子的福呀。:D |
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c**********l 发帖数: 606 | 35 来自主题: Investment版 - PRPFX 不过他的TAX EFFICIENCY很不错, 赞一个. 很少有FUND为投资者税收考虑周到的. |
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H**********k 发帖数: 2158 | 36 来自主题: Investment版 - PRPFX 自己配的 4X25 是啥? 透露一下?我记得以前有人讲过,但是找不到了。 |
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c**********l 发帖数: 606 | 37 来自主题: Investment版 - PRPFX simplest version:
25% GLD
25% TLT
25% VT
25% SHY |
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H**********k 发帖数: 2158 | 38 来自主题: Investment版 - PRPFX Thanks. |
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k****n 发帖数: 1334 | 39 来自主题: Investment版 - PRPFX what's complicated version... |
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S**C 发帖数: 2964 | 40 来自主题: Investment版 - PRPFX The guy under the helm has no talent to speak of, it just happened the
mandated allocation works well in the last decade. Looking forward, if the
market is more like 80's or 90's, it is toasted. |
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H**********k 发帖数: 2158 | 41 来自主题: Investment版 - PRPFX 那您老推荐啥呢?我很久不跟踪基金了。 |
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S**C 发帖数: 2964 | 42 来自主题: Investment版 - PRPFX I like
IVWIX, TGBAX, PAUIX, MAPIX and VWINX |
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j****h 发帖数: 219 | 43 这个文章不错,我原来有 FSIIX, VWELX, 最近刚买了 CSRSX, PRNEX。很奇怪
PRPFX OAKBX LSBRX 不在LIST。 |
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a**s 发帖数: 177 | 44 现在股市往下走,我该卖一些我的mutual fund吗?
FFNOX
FLVCX
MCHFX
PRPFX
YACKX |
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b****n 发帖数: 993 | 45 Permanent portfolio是一个不错的方法,虽然严格执行的时候会有困难:因为它和市
场之间的tracking error有时候会很大,很多人可能会坚持不下去。
这里有篇文章讨论了一个permanent portfolio fund:PRPFX。这个基金的问题之一就
在于有点随意地偏离permanent portfolio主张的asset allocation,结果是不太妙,
16年平均下来每年比严格的permanent portfolio低一个百分点,而风险则高两个百分
点。
http://www.efficientfrontier.com/ef/0adhoc/harry.htm
back |
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m**********r 发帖数: 887 | 46 PRPFX 倾向于抵御通货膨胀,另外它收费不算低。0.82% |
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T*********e 发帖数: 9208 | 48 15亿现金阿,一天就是n million的interest
Asset Allocation (%)
2 as of 01/31/2011 More information
01/31/2011
Domestic Equities 28.33
Domestic Bonds 22.43
Cash 14.16
Foreign Equities 2.49
Foreign Bonds 7.97
Other 24.62
另外这个other是什么东西,看手册也找不到,怎么搞的40%的资产都
神神秘秘的 |
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b****n 发帖数: 993 | 49 permanent portfolio, 本来就应该有25%左右的现金(treasury bills)。他现在这样
还算少的了。 |
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T*********e 发帖数: 9208 | 50 treasury bills跟bond有什么区别?有利息吗?
还有他那个other有可能是什么东西? |
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