w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 1 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 扑克观讨论 第一是对pokerroom的看法.
我认为pokerroom给出的概率,不是数学上正常的概率,是通过pokerroom调整后的概率.
虽然我拿不出证据,但是通过长期实践,我相信这一点.我是专门打tournament的.
tournament是把概率level off.换句话说,是把偶然性降低.在ring game中,一盘会输赢
几百的,在tournament中,需要几十盘.就是在这种环境中,连续出现低概率的情况,(例如
百分之几的概率,连续出现很多次,在概率上很难解释).
1.每次join一个新pokerroom,开始运气总是特别好.一两天后就明显差了.搞了几十间,
没有一间例外.
2.总是赢多了运气就变的离奇的差.输了运气就会变好一些.
3.不同的pokerroom,players的打法差别很大.同一pokerroom里players的打法却完全一
样.
不同pokerroom,发牌的概率特点也不同,却各自符合自己pokerroom里players的打法.外
来的人,如果不调整自己的打法,很难survive.例如,有的pokerroom,players在概率小的
情况下,却bet很凶 |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 2 来自主题: _TexasHoldem版 - 扑克观讨论 第一是对pokerroom的看法.
我认为pokerroom给出的概率,不是数学上正常的概率,是通过pokerroom调整后的概率.
虽然我拿不出证据,但是通过长期实践,我相信这一点.我是专门打tournament的.
tournament是把概率level off.换句话说,是把偶然性降低.在ring game中,一盘会输赢
几百的,在tournament中,需要几十盘.就是在这种环境中,连续出现低概率的情况,(例如
百分之几的概率,连续出现很多次,在概率上很难解释).
1.每次join一个新pokerroom,开始运气总是特别好.一两天后就明显差了.搞了几十间,
没有一间例外.
2.总是赢多了运气就变的离奇的差.输了运气就会变好一些.
3.不同的pokerroom,players的打法差别很大.同一pokerroom里players的打法却完全一
样.
不同pokerroom,发牌的概率特点也不同,却各自符合自己pokerroom里players的打法.外
来的人,如果不调整自己的打法,很难survive.例如,有的pokerroom,players在概率小的
情况下,却bet很凶 |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 3 fryking我不太想回你的贴。因为你说的道理经常会有许多逻辑问题。我回你的贴就会
纠缠在这些逻辑问题中,而对主题却没什么帮助。
比如你的第一段话,按正常的逻辑,如果有好几个online pokerroom做过弊,那么人们
对其他online pokerroom作弊的可能性估计就会增加。可是按你的逻辑却得出那几个作
弊却证明其他pokerroom不会作弊,或那几个做的是一种弊,就证明他们不会做另一种
弊。
假设一个LV赌场被发现在老虎机中出千,赌客们会觉得,既然赌场能在老虎机出千,那
么他们也可能在百家乐出千,在21点出千。可是按你的逻辑,21点,百家乐,和老虎机
是“两回事”。赌场在老虎机出千,证明赌场不会在百家乐,在21点出千。这就是你的
逻辑。
还有AK明明白白写的是PS,FTP两家,你为什么“斗胆”给他把PS去掉改成FTP一家呢?
我真是看不懂你的逻辑。他主要在FTP打就说明他对PS没意见吗?我看可能正相反。因
为PS比FTP还烂,所以只能在FTP打.同样道理,我没说FTP就证明我对FTP没意见吗?我
只是因为PS最烂而已。fryking你逻辑太不严密啊。
至于你说的“咱们又凭... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 4 我觉得lz这样的风格,应该去打HU。
online只有打HU才是赢大钱的路子。这不光是HU技术要求最高。
从pokerroom的角度看,一个牌手付的rake和他赢的钱应该有一个比率。如果一个牌手
赢得超过这个比率,对pokerroom来说是不欢迎的,是眼中钉。
只有HU赢得钱才不会让pokerroom不高兴。因为HU付的rake是最高的。 |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 5 5dimes如果自己搞一个pokerroom,应该能很成功。
因为它有两个主要优势:
1.他的cashout是最好的。现在免费cashout可以保证一天内钱到自己的卡里。
2.它的rakeback是最高的。前段时间它的rakeback是50%,后来由于EPN的强制要求降低
到35%,还是所有pokerroom里最高的。
因为5dimes的sport betting抽水是其他赌场的一半(5% vs 10%),所以低抽水是
5dimes的商业竞争手段,以后也不会改变。
试想一下如果5dimes自己的pokerroom给50%的rakeback,必然会有大批players进来。
就是希望它不要允许hud,这样才能吸引大批鱼。 |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 6 5dimes如果自己搞一个pokerroom,应该能很成功。
因为它有两个主要优势:
1.他的cashout是最好的。现在免费cashout可以保证一天内钱到自己的卡里。
2.它的rakeback是最高的。前段时间它的rakeback是50%,后来由于EPN的强制要求降低
到35%,还是所有pokerroom里最高的。
因为5dimes的sport betting抽水是其他赌场的一半(5% vs 10%),所以低抽水是
5dimes的商业竞争手段,以后也不会改变。
试想一下如果5dimes自己的pokerroom给50%的rakeback,必然会有大批players进来。
就是希望它不要允许hud,这样才能吸引大批鱼。 |
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q**u 发帖数: 12289 | 7 我也不知道pokerroom.com是怎么整的,反正就是开户早的人和最近开户的人
经常互相看不见。开户早的人再开一个账户,然后用新账户登录,就可以看见
最近开户的人了。我猜是pokerroom.com有俩服务器,而且运行的软件不完全
兼容,所以互相看不见。 |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 8 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 扑克观讨论 Hi,
I did win for every new account, but not as much as several ks. Note I play
tournament only, which need more time to make same money.Plus, I don't dare to play too big when coming into a new pokerroom.It is only when looking back that I find that
conclusion.However, that winning as a new comer is only a small portion of
my winning, and I don't care to open new accounts only for that puepose,
besides, there are no more new accounts to open, only a few pokerrooms still
accept US players.
I wil |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 9 I once went to fulltilt to play, yet in 3 munites I saw 4 allin, 3 higher PP
beat by lower PP, and one AA flop triple and beat by fullhouse on
river.I then quited.
I once went to a local casino, played 12 hours ,yet didn't see as many bad
beats.
The drama in online pokerroom is 10 - 20 times more than in live poker.NL0.
25/0.5 in online pokerroom has bigger swing than 1/2 NL in live poker.
Those who play online regularly go to try live poker, or who play live poker
go to try online,you will see |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 10 Real money.
You set up a table and pokerroom take rakes as a normal table.
We can play small$$ as a way to exchange skills and for fun.
eurolinx deposit and withdrawal options are better than most pokerrooms.
You can deposit with VISA or moneygram(they refund fee),and cashout by wire with two free wire withdrawals per month. |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 11 No hand history.
You go to bodog and register an account and see if you can find any hand
history.
I go to my current pokerroom and can't find hand history either.
You go to your pokerroom and play SNG heads-up for some time,
like 40-50 games a day, then see if we get same point.
I did find bad beats in SNG heads-up is much worse than in other kind of
games. |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 12 At carbon played SNG heads up.
Played $5 first, then went up as my bankroll grew.
At eurolinx played SNG 6 players table, 5euro first, then went up as high
as 50 euro.
FTP I played both HU and MTT.
Actaully I made fast money at most pokerrooms when openning new account(more
than 20 pokerrooms).Most of them won $200-$500 in 3 days, and then quickly
good luck disappeared. |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 13 “老兄。这个世界上没有那么多阴谋论。”
首先,泛泛而言,听到这句话,我只能想起四个字“涉世未深”。
真实世界的情况刚好和这句话相反。
第二,把online poker和live poker在作弊上的可能性等同,是明显不妥。
你能举出一个LV赌场出千的例子吗?
online poker作弊的例子至少有三个:ultimate poker,absolute poker,还有一个小
pokerroom,名字我记不起来了,但很多人都应该知道,这家被举报后,警察去查的时
候,已经人去楼空,老板带着所有players的钱失踪了。事实已经证明live赌场没有作
弊先例,而online poker有过数次。
还有fulltilt scandal,同样说明online pokerroom缺乏监管,要做违法之事很容易。
只要一个人想搞就行,还不容易被发现。
“odds已经在他们那边了。他们为什么还要冒着违法坐牢的危险出千呢?”
为什么online的更可能作弊,因为被查到的可能性很小。现在online的现状就是名义上
有但是实际上没有监管,而且想监管也很难。要作弊不需要公司内部很多人知道,一个
人就搞掂。所以... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 14 它另外还有一个小pokerroom,是给赌球的玩的,里面有NL200, NL400 各3台。还
有几台NL50,NL25。
这个小pokerroom被赌场称作养鱼塘。那个大的叫鲨鱼塘。
我玩了一会,给BB了不少。有一个傻鱼ganshot straight draw call我turn allin,
river hit把我清了。气的我把钱都转去sport betting. |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 15 它另外还有一个小pokerroom,是给赌球的玩的,里面有NL200, NL400 各3台。还
有几台NL50,NL25。
这个小pokerroom被赌场称作养鱼塘。那个大的叫鲨鱼塘。
我玩了一会,给BB了不少。有一个傻鱼ganshot straight draw call我turn allin,
river hit把我清了。气的我把钱都转去sport betting. |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 16 其实这个问题本身就不够清楚。
没有大环境,小环境,很难判断。
大环境就是live还是online,online是在哪个pokerroom,你那个pokerroom流行的风格
是怎么样的。
小环境就是对手个人风格,对手现在的状态。对手和你是不是有issue,是不是on tile。
比如在live 用top pair call 40BB bet 就是鱼。因为很少人手里没有两对以上bet那
么大。
在online bluff要多很多。但是bet size和牌力对应还是成立。
我就是play L&G的。对我来说正常风格是一种比较难找漏洞的打法。太容易fold和太不
容易fold都是明显的漏洞,可以explore。如果我发现敢拿top pair一路call到底的,
我就会专等好牌加大注bet他。没好牌我就根本不会去碰他。
所以笼统说这幅牌应该不应该call到底,是很难说的。如果他前面一直打得很loose,
喜欢用大bet bluff,你就应该call。否则就不应该call。
所以用top pair一路call到底不是一种正常打法。是用于应对特别风格对手的特别打法
。如果你总是这样call你就死了... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a 发帖数: 975 | 17 恰恰相反,HU是pokerroom最不欢迎的。首先HU极破坏扑克生态,会把鱼全部打跑。其
次,我的感觉是HU的rake也少(因为flop见得少?)。证据就是pokerroom的promotion
比如ACR的beast之类的,一般是没有HU的 |
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q**u 发帖数: 12289 | 18 我也不知道pokerroom.com是怎么整的,反正就是开户早的人和最近开户的人
经常互相看不见。开户早的人再开一个账户,然后用新账户登录,就可以看见
最近开户的人了。我猜是pokerroom.com有俩服务器,而且运行的软件不完全
兼容,所以互相看不见。 |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 19 来自主题: _TexasHoldem版 - 扑克观讨论 Hi,
I did win for every new account, but not as much as several ks. Note I play
tournament only, which need more time to make same money.Plus, I don't dare to play too big when coming into a new pokerroom.It is only when looking back that I find that
conclusion.However, that winning as a new comer is only a small portion of
my winning, and I don't care to open new accounts only for that puepose,
besides, there are no more new accounts to open, only a few pokerrooms still
accept US players.
I wil |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 20 I once went to fulltilt to play, yet in 3 munites I saw 4 allin, 3 higher PP
beat by lower PP, and one AA flop triple and beat by fullhouse on
river.I then quited.
I once went to a local casino, played 12 hours ,yet didn't see as many bad
beats.
The drama in online pokerroom is 10 - 20 times more than in live poker.NL0.
25/0.5 in online pokerroom has bigger swing than 1/2 NL in live poker.
Those who play online regularly go to try live poker, or who play live poker
go to try online,you will see |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 21 Real money.
You set up a table and pokerroom take rakes as a normal table.
We can play small$$ as a way to exchange skills and for fun.
eurolinx deposit and withdrawal options are better than most pokerrooms.
You can deposit with VISA or moneygram(they refund fee),and cashout by wire with two free wire withdrawals per month. |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 22 No hand history.
You go to bodog and register an account and see if you can find any hand
history.
I go to my current pokerroom and can't find hand history either.
You go to your pokerroom and play SNG heads-up for some time,
like 40-50 games a day, then see if we get same point.
I did find bad beats in SNG heads-up is much worse than in other kind of
games. |
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q**u 发帖数: 12289 | 23 pokerroom.com,详情在那版置底文章里 |
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b****e 发帖数: 1275 | 24 Poker websites, Maximum possible sign up bonus, Bonus deposit match, Referral
Bonus per friend
PartyPoker $100 20% $50
Empire Poker $100 20% $50
Paradise $50 25% $0
Gaming Club Poker Room $300 100% $0
Riverbelle $300 100% $0
UltimateBet $300 50% $100
Pacific Poker $100 60% $50
PokerRoom $300 50% $0
Golden Palace Poker $250 50% $0
InterPoker $390 300% $0
Noble Poker $900 100% $25
Royal Vegas Poker $1,000 100% $50
Absolute Poker $350 35% $50
PokerStars $0 0% $0
William Hill $40 0% $0
Ladbrokes Pok |
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q**u 发帖数: 12289 | 25 【时间】
第一场:周六晚八点(东部时间)
第二场:周日晚八点(东部时间)
每场一个小时
【地点】
Poker Room
http://www.pokerroom.com/
如果这是你第一次玩Poker Room,你需要先注册一个账户(免费)。注册之后,
你可以选择“Instant Play”或者“Download Poker”,二者皆可。
进入大厅后,选择“Cash Game”,“Private”,“low”。我们的table叫
“qwyu_mitbbs”。
【格式】
$10-$10 No Limit (Poker Room Play Money)
【如何报名】
请将你的Poker Room ID发给qwyu,并注明你要参加哪场比赛。
【买卖提币与Poker Room Play Money的兑换】
1 买卖提币 = $10 Poker Room Play Money
【Buy-in】
每场buy-in为100买卖提币,即$1000 Poker Room Play Money。请提前将买卖提
币转账到版面。另外,请提前确认你有$1000的play money。如果不够,你可以去
“My |
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m*****i 发帖数: 1873 | 26 any pokerroom online, there are play money tourment, all are much better
than MSN game.
just download the software and registered an account , and
create a game on a specific time , if there are not enought people,
Other people online will join.
But I still suggrest to play real money, at least very low buyin,
you never know what poker is, until you play real money.The feeling
is totally different. |
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q**u 发帖数: 12289 | 28 周日牌局地点变动,改到PokerRoom.com了,参见置底文章。请尽快注册并把你
的Poker Room ID发给我。尚未交buy-in的id,请速将$100买卖提币捐到版面。多
谢!
另外,跟大家商量一下,如果没有意见的话,这次就设成$10-$10 NL,$1000 Poker
Room Play Money buy-in。如果谁有意见,尽快提出。 |
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l********r 发帖数: 868 | 29 pokerroom可以设置封闭式牌局(指定参加的人)? |
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l********r 发帖数: 868 | 30 没有private tournament可能是因为人数没法固定的关系。我看了你的置底,这个
prize structure非常不合理啊,第一名拿这么多,更完不了了。Pokerroom自己订的百
分比是:
The prize structure for Sit & Go tourneys are as follows:
10 players : 1st place: 50% 2nd place: 30% 3rd place: 20%
6 players : 1st place: 50% 2nd place 40%
2 players : 1st place: 100%
我觉得既然是cash game,就不要强求结束了,玩一个小时,结束的时候按照剩下的钱直
接分伪币。比如每个人用100伪币buyin 500,5个人玩,结束的时候如果他们的筹码分别
是800,700,400,400,200,那么版主就退给每个人160,140,80,80,40伪币,四舍五入。中
间buyin也可以,但必须同时捐相应伪币到版面。
还可以考虑抽头。比如每人要交100+10伪币,无论结果如何,这个10伪币就归版面了 |
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l********r 发帖数: 868 | 31 pokerroom的系统抽头正好等于版面抽头,呵呵。 |
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A**U 发帖数: 1116 | 33 俺连不是pokerroom.com了。
用下载的软件可以连上。可能isp给封了? |
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Z*Z 发帖数: 12 | 34 thank you!
i have a pokerroom account
znzznzznz
hope to play with you guys later. |
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q**u 发帖数: 12289 | 38 注册是免费的,但是美国客户只能玩儿假钱,不能玩儿真钱 |
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A**U 发帖数: 1116 | 42 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 牌局结果 见置顶、底的帖子。
在pokerroom.com |
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b****e 发帖数: 1275 | 44 这个pokerroom.com的牌太b.s.了, 刚才去另外一桌, 上来我拿了3, 4. flop就是
3, 3, 4. |
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q**u 发帖数: 12289 | 45 不需要。去pokerroom.com注册一个id就行了 |
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l*******n 发帖数: 155 | 46 pokerroom还真是两个server.melon开的房间从来都没看到过。我每次登陆都是attempt
#2。 |
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l*******n 发帖数: 155 | 48 在pokerroom上,有时我fold了,对方也会显示底牌,有时就不会。搞不清楚为甚没? |
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l*******n 发帖数: 155 | 49 在pokerroom里想deposit都不让,难道他们查ip? |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 50 这我倒没有.问题是如果软件出千,你是不可能研究透他的(不可能战胜他).
我过去的经验,是在赢了很多,很长时间后,来一段相当长时间的bad beat,每天都是,一
直重复下去,最后实在顶不住,就换一个pokerroom.长节日时bad beat会很多. |
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