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发帖数: 3920 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 TrustInJesus 讨论区 】
发信人: snowboat (我的理解不一定对，请对照圣经 理性和良知), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: 【征文】读书系列二：奥古斯丁的忏悔
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jun 14 18:22:31 2012, 美东)
【引】Augustine of Hippo是基督徒朋友们都很熟悉的人物，而他的《忏悔录》也是他
的代表作之一，想必这网站里的不少同仁都读过吧。我这篇小文，算是为这位举足轻重
的人物做一个一生的掠影，并为Confessions做一个导读。我读的是企鹅出版社1962年
的英译本。我的一位天主教的朋友发下大愿，说不学完拉丁文之前绝不读《忏悔录》以
及任何拉丁文的名著，呵呵，在这里也祝愿他早日精通拉丁文，痛快淋漓地阅读《忏悔
录》、《高卢战记》、还有西塞罗的原著。
【小传】希波的奥古斯丁（天主教翻译为奥斯丁，Augustine of Hippo，公元354-430
），是古罗马帝国晚期著名的基督教神学家，中世纪教父哲学的奠基人。Augustine于
公元354年出生在罗马帝国北非的Thaga... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 759 | 2 CHAP. 5.--THAT IT IS ESPECIALLY WITH THE PLATONISTS THAT WE
MUST CARRY ON OUR DISPUTATIONS ON MATTERS OF
THEOLOGY, THEIR OPINIONS BEING PREFERABLE TO THOSE OF ALL
OTHER PHILOSOPHERS.
If, then, Plato defined the wise man as one who imitates,
knows, loves this God, and who is rendered blessed through
fellowship with Him in His own
blessedness, why discuss with the other philosophers? It is
evident that none come nearer to us than the Platonists. To
them, therefore, let that fabulous theology
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发帖数: 2511 | 3 【引】Augustine of Hippo是基督徒朋友们都很熟悉的人物，而他的《忏悔录》也是他
的代表作之一，想必这网站里的不少同仁都读过吧。我这篇小文，算是为这位举足轻重
的人物做一个一生的掠影，并为Confessions做一个导读。我读的是企鹅出版社1962年
的英译本。我的一位天主教的朋友发下大愿，说不学完拉丁文之前绝不读《忏悔录》以
及任何拉丁文的名著，呵呵，在这里也祝愿他早日精通拉丁文，痛快淋漓地阅读《忏悔
录》、《高卢战记》、还有西塞罗的原著。
【小传】希波的奥古斯丁（天主教翻译为奥斯丁，Augustine of Hippo，公元354-430
），是古罗马帝国晚期著名的基督教神学家，中世纪教父哲学的奠基人。Augustine于
公元354年出生在罗马帝国北非的Thagaste，具有柏柏尔人、拉丁人和腓尼基人的血统
。他的母亲Monica是一位虔诚的基督徒，他的父亲是一位异教徒。早年的Augustine在
北非的Madaurus、Carthage学习拉丁文学。19岁的时候，Augustine接受了摩尼教的善
恶二元论，并且皈依了摩尼教。（摩尼教又叫“明教”，摩尼教的最大特点... 阅读全帖 |
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E******u
发帖数: 3920 | 4 【 以下文字转载自 TrustInJesus 讨论区 】
发信人: snowboat (我的理解不一定对，请对照圣经 理性和良知), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: 【征文】读书系列二：奥古斯丁的忏悔
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jun 14 18:22:31 2012, 美东)
【引】Augustine of Hippo是基督徒朋友们都很熟悉的人物，而他的《忏悔录》也是他
的代表作之一，想必这网站里的不少同仁都读过吧。我这篇小文，算是为这位举足轻重
的人物做一个一生的掠影，并为Confessions做一个导读。我读的是企鹅出版社1962年
的英译本。我的一位天主教的朋友发下大愿，说不学完拉丁文之前绝不读《忏悔录》以
及任何拉丁文的名著，呵呵，在这里也祝愿他早日精通拉丁文，痛快淋漓地阅读《忏悔
录》、《高卢战记》、还有西塞罗的原著。
【小传】希波的奥古斯丁（天主教翻译为奥斯丁，Augustine of Hippo，公元354-430
），是古罗马帝国晚期著名的基督教神学家，中世纪教父哲学的奠基人。Augustine于
公元354年出生在罗马帝国北非的Thaga... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2964 | 5 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/16/opinion/sunday/is-the-univers
IN Mikhail Bulgakov's novel “The Master and Margarita,” the protagonist, a
writer, burns a manuscript in a moment of despair, only to find out later
from the Devil that “manuscripts don’t burn.” While you might appreciate
this romantic sentiment, there is of course no reason to think that it is
true. Nikolai Gogol apparently burned the second volume of “Dead Souls,”
and it has been lost forever. Likewise, if Bulgakov had burned his
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发帖数: 759 | 6 BOOK VIII.
ARGUMENT.
AUGUSTIN COMES NOW TO THE THIRD KIND OF THEOLOGY, THAT IS,
THE NATURAL, AND TAKES UP THE QUESTION,
WHETHER THE WORSHIP OF THE GODS OF THE NATURAL THEOLOGY IS
OF ANY AVAIL TOWARDS SECURING BLESSEDNESS
IN THE LIFE TO COME. THIS QUESTION HE PREFERS TO DISCUSS
WITH THE PLATONISTS, BECAUSE THE PLATONIC SYSTEM
IS "FACILE PRINCEPS" AMONG PHILOSOPHIES, AND MAKES THE
NEAREST APPROXIMATION TO CHRISTIAN TRUTH. IN
PURSUING THIS ARGUMENT, HE FIRST REFUTES APULEIUS, AND ALL
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发帖数: 759 | 7 CHAP. 11.--OF THE OPINION OF THE PLATONISTS, THAT THE SOULS
OF MEN BECOME DEMONS WHEN DISEMBODIED.
He(4) says, indeed, that the souls of men are demons, and
that men become Lares if they are good, Lemures or Larvae if
they are bad, and Manes if it is
uncertain whether they de serve well or ill. Who does not
see at a glance that this is a mere whirlpool sucking men to
moral destruction? For, however wicked
men have been, if they suppose they shall become Larvae or
divine Manes, they will become t |
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发帖数: 759 | 8 CHAP. 23.--THAT THE NAME OF GODS IS FALSELY GIVEN TO THE
GODS OF THE GENTILES, THOUGH SCRIPTURE APPLIES IT
BOTH TO THE HOLY ANGELS AND JUST MEN.
If the Platonists prefer to call these angels gods rather
than demons, and to reckon them with those whom Plato, their
founder and master, maintains were
created by the supreme God,(1) they are welcome to do so,
for I will not spend strength in fighting about words. For
if they say that these beings are immortal,
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发帖数: 759 | 9 BOOK X.
ARGUMENT.
IN THIS BOOK AUGUSTIN TEACHES THAT THE GOOD ANGELS WISH GOD
ALONE, WHOM THEY THEMSELVES SERVE, TO
RECEIVE THAT DIVINE HONOR WHICH IS RENDERED BY SACRIFICE,
AND WHICH IS CALLED "LATREIA." HE THEN GOES
ON TO DISPUTE AGAINST PORPHYRY ABOUT THE PRINCIPLE AND WAY
OF THE SOUL'S CLEANSING AND DELIVERANCE.
CHAP. 1.--THAT THE PLATONISTS THEMSELVES HAVE DETERMINED
THAT GOD ALONE CAN
CONFER HAPPINESS EITHER ON ANGELS OR MEN, BUT THAT IT YET
REMAINS A QUESTION WHETHER THOSE SPIRITS
WHOM TH |
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发帖数: 759 | 10 CHAP. 23. --OF THE PRINCIPLES WHICH, ACCORDING TO THE
PLATONISTS, REGULATE THE PURIFICATION OF THE SOUL.
Even Porphyry asserts that it was revealed by divine oracles
that we are not purified by any sacrifices(1) to sun or
moon, meaning it to be inferred that we are
not purified by sacrificing to any gods. For what mysteries
can purify, if those of the sun and moon, which are esteemed
the chief of the celestial gods, do not
purify? He says, too, in the same place, that "principles"
can purify, le |
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发帖数: 759 | 11 CHAP. 29.--OF THE INCARNATION OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST,
WHICH THE PLATONISTS IN THEIR IMPIETY BLUSH TO
ACKNOWLEDGE.
You proclaim the Father and His Son, whom you call the
Father's intellect or mind, and between these a third, by
whom we suppose you mean the Holy Spirit,
and in your own fashion you call these three Gods. In this,
though your expressions are inaccurate, you do in some sort,
and as through a veil, see what we
should strive towards; but the incarnation of the
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发帖数: 759 | 12 CHAP. 5.--THAT THE OPINION OF THE PLATONISTS REGARDING THE
NATURE OF BODY AND SOUL IS NOT SO CENSURABLE AS
THAT OF THE MANICHEANS,, BUT THAT EVEN IT IS Objectionable,
BECAUSE IT ASCRIBES THE ORIGIN OF VICES TO THE NATURE
OF THEFLESH.
There is no need, therefore, that in our sins and vices we
accuse the nature of the flesh to the injury of the Creator,
for in its own kind and degree the flesh is good;
but to desert the Creator good, and live according to the
created good, is not good, whether a m |
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发帖数: 759 | 13 CHAP. 11.--AGAINST THE PLATONISTS, WHO ARGUE FROM THE
PHYSICAL WEIGHT OF THE ELEMENTS THAT AN
EARTHLY BODY CANNOT INHABIT HEAVEN.
But against this great gift of God, these reasoners, "whose
thoughts the Lord knows that they are vain"(1) bring
arguments from the weights of the
elements; for they have been taught by their master Plato
that the two greatest elements of the world, and the
furthest removed from one another, are
coupled and united by the two intermediate, air and water.
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发帖数: 4445 | 14
ETHICAL PHILOSOPHY SELECTOR:
1 Aquinas (100%)
2 Spinoza (86%)
3 St. Augustine (86%)
CLASSICAL PHILOSOPHY SELECTOR:
1 Cynic
2 Socratic
3 Platonist
ANCIENT CHINESE PHILOSOPHY SELECTOR：对于反对集权主义的人士不准。 |
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发帖数: 1175 | 15 XX名人是基督徒，美国是以基督教建国的国家 HAAAAAAA
不捣乱了，这个是我常常听到，小册子里也常有的
是这段吗？
----- To C. Thompson, 1816
I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus,
very different from the Platonists, who call me infidel and themselves
Christians and preachers of the gospel, while they draw all their
characteristic dogmas from what its author never said nor saw. They have
compounded from the heathen mysteries a system beyond the comprehension of
man, of which the great reformer of the vicious eth... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 801 | 16 错不了多少，基督教的父辈毫不掩饰地说他们是抄希腊哲学家的。特别是他们为基督教
创造灵魂的概念的时候。
"Christian concepts of a body-soul dichotomy originated with the ancient
Greeks and were introduced into Christian theology at an early date by St.
Gregory of Nyssa and by St. Augustine.＂（Encyclopedia Britannica）
“当我读柏拉图派的书，我被他们教育我去寻求真理。”（“But when I read those
books of the Platonists I was taught by them to seek incorporeal truth”
Confessions 7. 20--奥古斯丁）
“我可以用柏拉图的观点来声称‘每个灵魂是不朽的。’”“For some things are
known even by nature: the immortality of th... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 801 | 17 错不了多少，基督教的父辈毫不掩饰地说他们是抄希腊哲学家的。特别是他们为基督教
创造灵魂的概念的时候。
"Christian concepts of a body-soul dichotomy originated with the ancient
Greeks and were introduced into Christian theology at an early date by St.
Gregory of Nyssa and by St. Augustine.＂（Encyclopedia Britannica）
“当我读柏拉图派的书，我被他们教育我去寻求真理。”（“But when I read those
books of the Platonists I was taught by them to seek incorporeal truth”
Confessions 7. 20--奥古斯丁）
“我可以用柏拉图的观点来声称‘每个灵魂是不朽的。’”“For some things are
known even by nature: the immortality of th... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 801 | 18 灵魂的进化
也和话
序
现代基督教认为人是二元化的，人是由肉体和灵魂组成的。肉体死后，灵魂不灭，要受
耶和华审判，然后，信的人，不管是杀人、放火、强奸，照上天堂；不信的，不管做了
多少好事，一律下地狱受永火烧烤。
这个概念是从人们有灵魂这个概念起，经过几千年的演变，才发展到现在的样子。要了
解灵魂的历史，我们得回到六千年前的中东。
两个古代文明
由西面的幼发拉底河（Euphrates）和东面的底格里斯河（Tigris）冲出的平原地带，
共同界定美索不达米亚（Mesopotamia，希腊文，mesos 之间， potamos 河流，即“两
河之间”）。在现代的地图，美索不达米亚相当于伊拉克大部分和伊朗的西面。苏美尔
（Sumer，公元前4000年－前2000年）和巴比伦（公元前3000年－前700年）是其中两个
著名的美索不达米亚文化。
美索不达米亚是人类有记载的最早文明发源地，他们是最早掌握耕种技术的人群之一，
他们也是最早懂得通商的人，巴比伦国王汉谟拉比（Hammurabi，公元前1792年－前
1750年在位）更是人类文明第一个使用法典的人，根据传说，汉谟拉比是从太阳神那里
得到律... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 801 | 19 灵魂的进化
也和话
序
现代基督教认为人是二元化的，人是由肉体和灵魂组成的。肉体死后，灵魂不灭，要受
耶和华审判，然后，信的人，不管是杀人、放火、强奸，照上天堂；不信的，不管做了
多少好事，一律下地狱受永火烧烤。
这个概念是从人们有灵魂这个概念起，经过几千年的演变，才发展到现在的样子。要了
解灵魂的历史，我们得回到六千年前的中东。
两个古代文明
由西面的幼发拉底河（Euphrates）和东面的底格里斯河（Tigris）冲出的平原地带，
共同界定美索不达米亚（Mesopotamia，希腊文，mesos 之间， potamos 河流，即“两
河之间”）。在现代的地图，美索不达米亚相当于伊拉克大部分和伊朗的西面。苏美尔
（Sumer，公元前4000年－前2000年）和巴比伦（公元前3000年－前700年）是其中两个
著名的美索不达米亚文化。
美索不达米亚是人类有记载的最早文明发源地，他们是最早掌握耕种技术的人群之一，
他们也是最早懂得通商的人，巴比伦国王汉谟拉比（Hammurabi，公元前1792年－前
1750年在位）更是人类文明第一个使用法典的人，根据传说，汉谟拉比是从太阳神那里
得到律... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 801 | 20 可惜这个新约时代启示的神是宙斯，不是耶和华。连基督教的祖师爷们都说白了：
用奥古斯丁自己的话：“当我读柏拉图派的书，我被他们教育我去寻求真理。”（“
But when I read those books of the Platonists I was taught by them to seek
incorporeal truth” Confessions 7. 20）
德尔图良（Tertullian）写道：“我可以用柏拉图的观点来声称‘每个灵魂是不朽的。
’”“For some things are known even by nature: the immortality of the soul,
the instance, is held by many ... I may use, therefore, the opinion of
Plato, when he declares: ‘Every soul is immortal’”The Ante-Nicene Fathers
, vol. III
革利免（Clement）在他的Stromata第6卷第8章写道：“哲学是[神... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 801 | 21 可惜这个新约时代启示的神是宙斯，不是耶和华。连基督教的祖师爷们都说白了：
用奥古斯丁自己的话：“当我读柏拉图派的书，我被他们教育我去寻求真理。”（“
But when I read those books of the Platonists I was taught by them to seek
incorporeal truth” Confessions 7. 20）
德尔图良（Tertullian）写道：“我可以用柏拉图的观点来声称‘每个灵魂是不朽的。
’”“For some things are known even by nature: the immortality of the soul,
the instance, is held by many ... I may use, therefore, the opinion of
Plato, when he declares: ‘Every soul is immortal’”The Ante-Nicene Fathers
, vol. III
革利免（Clement）在他的Stromata第6卷第8章写道：“哲学是[神... 阅读全帖 |
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