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发帖数: 10701 | 1 自从Pilly出差回来，高尔夫的练习都是断断续续，一是因为多雨的天气球场常常关闭
，另外也是因为忙起来了。
我的动作也在发生着变化，未知的原因。从一个半月前的信心满满，到现在半满。这里
的区别是，也是在2个月前悟出的一句话。
shoot under par和shoot high 70's/low 80's的区别是，shoot high 70's/low 80's
的球员，在执行一次击球时，脑海不仅在想象球的飞行轨迹，落点，还要思考挥杆的技
术动作；而shoot under par的球员脑海里全神贯注在想象球的飞行轨迹和落点 - 也就
是说，在球真真被击出前，在脑海里想象球如何飞起，在空中的路线，落在果岭的地方
，以及如何滚动到进洞。 基本上任何好些的高尔夫老师都会讲这些 - visualize the
shot。
在从加州移到Austin后的最初几个round里，我能将visualize the shot执行的很好,尤
其体现在我的tee shot上， 建立了很多信心。
但就如每位golfer都知道的， 一个swing总不能持续很久，无论什么原因。Tiger
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发帖数: 10701 | 2 #16, 205 码 par 3, 总是against 风，所以至少是个215码的par3. 我把这个开球称作
我shot of the day.
我才前期对处理长铁杆有点怕，不明白什么原因。我还在LA时，我练习很多长铁杆，而
到了这里基本上就不怎么练习了，原因是除了这个par 3外，基本上用不到5， 4 和3.
而这2天，我又重新找回了长铁杆的信心。我没有试着改变我的任何swing动作，握杆方
式，准备姿势等等，只是在脑海中改变了一个概念，一个球杆面和球接触的概念。
就有这么奇妙。 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 3 check scorecard of monach bay, metro, boundary oak (all about 6900 - 7100)
for these long courses, the feature is that a lot of 420 or so par 4, and a
number of 200 or so par3.
if drive just 220, then 200 apporach, that's not confortable distance (never
hit green from 200 yard)
245 + 175 (borrow some roll on green, just 170, so it's more comfortable for
a mid iron shot)
if drive 245, 3wood 230 or so, then 70-80 left for 550 par5, or 20-30 yard
for 510 par 5. that's getting comfortable picture. |
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发帖数: 10701 | 4 +4 over today.
Jim Clay golf course, 6700+ yards par 71, rating/slope 71.6/128
3 birdies, 1 double-b, 5 bogeys, 9 pars
it's the 2nd time for me to play the course.
I believe I can play better next time.. |
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 5 I played my first round of golf in PA in jeffersonville golf couse.
par 70, 6443 yards rating/slope = 70/119.
My driver is pretty consistent today, hit 13/14 fairways. only missed one by
one yard. ball went about 240-260 yards.
My approch shots are ... not that good. I tend to hit my irons fat. only 5/
18 GIR. Well, missed some by 2-4 yards.
My short game? ...SUCKS today. 3-putt several times. chip and pitch over the
green ..., and there is one 198 yards par 3, I hit a very good hybrid shot
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发帖数: 10701 | 6 * Card of the Course
Hole Par Yards Metres
1 4 459 420
2 5 550 503
3 4 362 331
4 3 200 183
5 4 463 423
6 3 200 183
7 4 346 316
8 5 603 551
9 4 466 426
OUT 36 3649 3336
Hole Par Yards Metres
10 4 401 367
11 4 435 398
12 3 217 198
13 4 430 393
14 5 |
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发帖数: 2735 | 7 and your score shows?
"135 par 3" is harder than "185 par 3" |
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j*****j
发帖数: 290 | 8 not typo. I said almost because only when i was very lucky, i can hit green
GIR, especially short hole. most of time my ball goes to about 20 yards
around green, and i chipped, if i lucky, ball goes near to pin. and i putt
it. it was par. most of time i need 2 -3 putt , jusst so hard to get a par,
not hard to get bodge, double 3-4 times one or two trible, sometime one
quarterble, everytime high 90s.
what do you guys think? how to improve? |
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t****i
发帖数: 904 | 9 i think it boils down to what clubs one feels more comfortable with. i am
comfortable with a iron approach shots from 150 range, but very unonfortable
with hitting a driver into a well guarded narrow fairway. my 2/3 iron off
the tee into a 380 par 4 give me more chances for par than driver off the
tee.
if i want birdie, yes, driver/wedge is a better bad. but if i miss fire the
driver, we will be talking about bogey or worse.
btw, i am teeski, not soundview. |
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发帖数: 10701 | 10 posted 4 birdies at the shadow glen golf course - the most difficult course
I've ever played.
2-time eagle try, one is from 248 yards par 4 (dogleg right, measured in 300
+ yards, I just go for the
green and made it..) the other is a short par 5.
messed up by 3 holes.. so didn't get those holes score right. for the rest,
all solid..
this is something to remember.. |
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发帖数: 10701 | 11 下午6点半后溜进grey rock golf course， 就是举行austin open的球场，打了9个洞。
开球之前，就告诉自己说，这就是你打austin open的环境，看看你能打多少。 对了，
这是今年来第2次打该球场。
结果相当不错，除第10洞 bogey外， 直到第17洞，一直是par，一个fairway 也没错过
，击中了6/8个果岭，包括一个210码的par 3。
在第15洞的果岭遇见了Scotty, Ryan，这两位都是pros， 还有两个高中生，Paul &
John, Paul在打他们的高中队。
第18洞就很难看了， 开球进水里，drop后球有送进沙坑里，还没打完 - 主要是看到这
四个人面色都超沉重，一副不开心的样子。
后来Scotty说他们几个打得都很差，而自从我15洞见到他们后，我就大声的嚷着我的成
绩， +1 so far.
最后一个洞完全是我就是想追上他们，所以什么preshot routine什么的都没做，也没
看球道的layout。
明天还有个skins game，看我能不能再赢点钱，同时break 80. |
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发帖数: 10701 | 12 it's totally not worth it..
some of the balls landed on the fairway of no.1 (380yards carrying is not
possible). under that wind condition, the ball would roll 4-50 yards. most
of them were looking for their balls at the fairwaies of 3 -hole away. and
those area were surrounding by trees. I saw only one par at my 5some group.
My approach shot was blown like 10 yards away from my target line..
those young kids, in my mind, are really not smart.. another hole, #10, was
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发帖数: 10701 | 13 middle-70's
sigh.. started a d-b at the easiest hole #1.. i felt like i didn't wake up
yet, then i was sending to the battele field..
didn't make any birdie which was insane. I was that close for those par 5s
and one par 4.. should be, at least, 4 birdies..
too hot..too tired.. |
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发帖数: 10701 | 14 周五打了16个洞，+4, 按照handicap的算法，最后2个洞按bogey, bogey算成绩，算是
另外一轮的78； 前4个洞得到+5, 后面bogey一次，birdie2次。 前面的也许可以没热
身来解释。
刚结束了一个新球场， Colo vista, 前九洞 +4， 后九洞 +4，共80， 球场长度7013
码， par 72, 可惜了前9洞中的3个bogey，都是在距离球洞15 feet之内的chipping
shot, 也许是果岭不同的原因，球停的太快，导致没能球pars。这3个的确是太简单了
，我猜是不太适应那果岭的缘故。
总之，这可能就是我的经来最真实的水平，high 70's， 4左右的handicap； 对击球的
动作还是没信心，只是也许是近乎天天练习的缘故，才把成绩保持在这样，不知道不天
天打会怎么样。
对我的backswing的动作还是不满意，昨天新拍了些video， 在最高点还是有swing
plane的调整。 我希望我能修改了这个，在几个月内，否则，我的game也就这样了。
high 70's 到 low 70's是个坎。 |
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发帖数: 10701 | 15 +2 on back 9, (started from back 9)
+2 on front 9. par 71 for this course, so 75 (+4) for the total.
3 bogeys on back 9, birdied once. 2 bogeys on 2 par 3s were pretty sick.
d-bogeys on #5 which was normally hard hole. it pushed the tee a lot forward
today. then 2 birdies on #6 and #7 in a row.
however, 2 bogeys in a row were on #8 and #9, where were pretty sick as well
. Just didn't get my full-attention.
This could be the 1st skin game in the past 1 and half month. played with 3
"really good" |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 16 thats a good question.
just keep in mind, "the best way to enjoy golf is not to 记成绩" that was a
suggestion of former raiders coach, john madden.
i tend to 记 which hole i birdie, or par, and which hole i did worst
i tend not to 记 those bogey holes, since it is just bench mark of my play.
to me, at the end of day, how many pars/birdies would really count:) |
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发帖数: 10701 | 17 pretty fun.. hit so well... another 75 with 2-birdies.
bogeyed 1st 2-holes since i didn't have any time to warm up. then d-b one
par-3 at back 9. birdied the last par-3. could be some chance for winning
skins.
it's really windy today. like 30 mph from north. it made so difficult for
playing back-9 since there are 5-hole in a row playing into the wind. for
one 420-yard par4, I hit driver+5wood (choke-down tho), my ball was just pin
-high.
pretty solid. everything ran well.. missed several birdies |
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i****e
发帖数: 913 | 18 Deep Cliff is an executive course. Mainly par-3s, some short par-4s, good
for practicing irons and putting.
I'll be in Miami for several days. You guys have fun this time. |
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F*****y
发帖数: 100 | 19 Just looked up the map on their website. Very beautiful but difficult course
. There is no way I can hit GIR on those long par 4s even if I hit perfect
shots. One would need 270+ yard drives to pass those bunkers, but I only
drive about 200-210. if you are not a long hitter, bogey or double on those
difficult par 4s are not bad at all.
BTW, what is the green fee? |
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发帖数: 10701 | 20 给大家提过，Randy赢过1997年senior champions tour的比赛。
当年和tom watston, jack nicklause一起打的。
他现在喜欢和我搭档和别人打球，best ball for a two-person team, $5/hole。
他总是告诉我，be aggressive, 他能拿上par,剩下的就是我拿birdie了，其他成绩都
没所谓，只要有skins的机会我能把握住。
你还别说，人家那把年纪，67岁， 就是能拿par，至少，打出low 70的成绩总是没问题
，而且稳定。从tee-shot，到approach shot，他不练习推球，所以推杆不是那么hot. |
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t****i
发帖数: 904 | 21 I found my hybrid harder to control then my 3i. 3i is actually the most
versatile club in my bag, i use it for a lot of scrambling shots especially
those have to go far and low. i can hit a 3i to run to 200+ with very low
trajectory (no more than 3-4 yds above ground). i have a much harder time to
do the same with my hybrid.
the other very useful place for 3i and 4i is for par 3s between 200 and 230
yds. 3 wood and 5 wood are not designed for par 3s.
use |
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v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 22 基本上是个灾难性的一轮，算上三个水球（同一个洞）的话上百了，创了近期新高。。
。但是一片哀鸿之中看到几点亮光：
1，在14个用木杆的tee shots中，命中了9个fairway。
2，有两个birdie opportunity，都是solid tee shots + solid mid iron approach,
然后被推杆葬送成了par和bogey。
3，short game有些不错的shots，比如第二洞一个越过bunker的60 degree wedge flop
shot放在洞口不远处，还有好像是第11洞的一个50码左右的long bunker shot，用9-i
ron上岭。
分数上来讲主要死在几个par-3上，对水障碍和大沙坑（里面种灌木那种）还是明显有惧
怕心理。 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 23 可能有点差别，但是差别有限
我有时拿RANGE BALL上场，该PAR的，RANGE BALL也PAR
当然该BOGEY的RANGE BALL也BOGEY
感觉RANGE BALL可能差10码（对于250码DRIVE）
FENCE |
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r*****9
发帖数: 9 | 24 For this Par 71 PGA course, my score is 90(19+). one 3+, four 2+, eight
bogey, five par. Overall feel playing meet my handicap which is 15.
The green is very fast, so that any break count. I have to give slow speed
which lick out the cup due to those tiny break.
TPC course is over rated course, it is not worth $60 for summer afternoon of
Phoenix. |
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p*********n
发帖数: 1618 | 25 大牛们别笑，生平第一次破80.。。。今天中午lunchbreak，在网上瞎逛，看到附近有
个不错的球场，周末都是$75往上，从来没舍得去打过。今天特价$25，带车。下午实在
没忍住，装牙疼，2：30溜出来，去打了18洞。
都说偷来的肉吃起来香，原来打球也是这样。偷着打，感觉特别好。就我一个人一组，
看来经济不好，大家工作都很卖力。前无追兵，后无堵截。果岭上可以肆无忌惮做痛不
欲生状，满地打滚也没人笑话。开着球车，一路狂飙，高歌猛进。不到5：30，打完了
。唯一遗憾是一路无鸟。6个搏击，12个帕收场。打的是黑tee.7146yard。5杆洞都太长
，最短的是一个508丫，但逆风。只能layup。3杆洞都不敢直接攻旗杆，安全第一，找
果岭上相对肥大的地方落脚。长推一般，见证奇迹的时刻没有发生，3个保par。一个过
于心狠手辣，3推。4杆洞3推2次，入沙坑2次。GIR后，没有一次一推成功的。倒是一推
保par若干次。
打完后去还车，和proshop老大爷报功，老大爷赏ball mark一个。
子曰：a bad day on the course is better than a good d |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 26 GIR 12/18 is very impressive, given 2 putts for each hole, 12 par is already
in bag, plus some save par. very easy to break 80. |
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发帖数: 3067 | 27 我有一破八的FORMULA
8 par, 7 bogey
if the other 3 all birdie, you would have 76
if the other 3 all par, you would have 79
if the other 3 all bogey, you would have 82
if the other 3 double bogey, you would have 85
if the other 3 triple bogey, you would have 88 |
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m****n
发帖数: 815 | 28 Monarch Bay Tony Lema golf course. It has a rating 127. Totally self
destructed yesterday. So now I'll need some beginner-friendly-and-self-
esteem-boost course in Bay Area. I wonder if I'm cut out for 18-hole at this
point.
And trust me, it is bad. On the bright side, I did record my first par by
sinking a 20-foot putt and closed out the front 9 with 1 par and 2 bogey.
But damn, back 9 ... I'd rather pretend it did not happen. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 29 the other day i checked the old post, run into one of my own posts.
i wrote it about two years ago, after my very first time to go on course, 9-
hole,where i made one par, my very first par. in the post i was saying, i
just dont want to go to the course, and feel much enjoyable on the driving
range.
well, now look back, i feel much more enjoyable on the course than the range
. and i start to understand that when i called my friends, asked them to
join me on driving range, they were all asking "d |
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发帖数: 3067 | 30 Mike Ash
General Manager, Callippe Preserve
12th HOLE
Callippe Preserve GC
Pleasanton, CA
After playing difficult par-4s back-to-back at the 10th and 11th holes,
golfers look at the scorecard and see that the 12th is a short par-4
carrying the number 16 handicap and measuring just 299 yards from the blue
tees and 282 from the whites. Anyone who thinks they are catching a break
had best think again.
The 12th hole at Callippe Preserve sits on one of the highest points on the
golf course. The eleva |
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y***g
发帖数: 284 | 31 我的意思不是这个。
我承认Randy的牛叉。记得我刚接触高尔夫不久的时候，有一次和李超一起去练习场，
那还是06年的事情吧似乎。当时只是知道有左曲右曲打法这么一说，自己是不可能打出
来的。
看到他在练习场上做球，我也惊掉了。
跑了5年高尔夫，看了国内外大大小小的比赛，现在才知道，这些不是职业赛的决定因
素。
决定因素是什么？
08年的时候，我和梁文冲一起在新奥尔良。那场比赛是我们之前找关系要的外卡，想在
Masters之前多打几场比赛。从头到尾的四天比赛，我看了梁文冲的每一洞。
从技术上来说，梁文冲完全有打得更好的可能——第二轮打完前九洞（他从10号Tee出
发）的时候，他就已经在领先榜上爬到了T4的位置，离领先者2杆差距。
就算是最后一天，最后两洞，他也完全有机会打进Top 10。第17洞，Par 3，两码的小
鸟没推进；第18洞Par 5，开球slice到球道右侧沙坑，丢掉了第三杆把球放洞口的机会。
后来又去了Augusta。那更是一个不以技术论英雄的地方。老虎的技术够全面吧？那年
还是打得没脾气（当然后来知道是膝盖有伤）；Adam Scott的技术是交口称赞的吧？没
见他在名人赛 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 32 just out of curiosity
Tees Yardage Rating Slope Rating Slope
Black 6,935 73.7 139 - -
scorecard
http://www.hudsonhillsgolf.com/play/the-course/scorecard/
NO 225 par 3 or 505 par 5, either not this course or data not accurate...
ball fly over 225, it's going to hard to see clearly, that's what i found
out at range
场 76.1/146 for black，和BETHPAGE有一拼。所以觉得他的HOME COURSE应该也在附近吧
maintanence。 等我练好了，也上那场子打打 :P |
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y***g
发帖数: 284 | 33 版大非不要我睡觉……
好吧。主要问题出在哪里呢，不管是这几个bogey的洞，还是那些Par，但实际上很有希
望抓鸟的洞。
第一：攻果岭一杆。第9洞，第二杆打进了果岭左边的长草，切上果岭后剩5码。
第二：推杆。第10洞，8码的距离推了三推。
第三，也是最重要的，他的开球出了问题。他在这个场地用一号木比较少，今天总共用
了两次一号木，两个洞都打par了。第8、12、14、16洞，都是开球没有上球道，进了长
草。
开球率不高，原因两个：第一，心态着急，想拼，发力，动作变形。
还有一个原因，事关球具的，现在不好说，有机会再说吧。 |
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m****n
发帖数: 815 | 34 How is it comparing with Fremont park? I have played at Fremont park for 10
times and am generally 8-12 over par (par 32). Now, I really need to hone my
power game to hang with the big boys. |
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m****n
发帖数: 815 | 35 I think I only scored one birdie in 10 rounds there. I just make loads of
par. Save par and do not put myself in bad position. That's all.
get
,
157
white |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 36 looks like you had a good play there...
seems like a fun course, the web site even provides play guide.
if get comfortable with 200 par 3, then think of that play second shot at
400+ par4. it's still tougher since no tee up at fairway, have to have a
good drive 230+ to have an easier approach(170, could be shorter than 170
yard since fairway bends if you take straight line shot path), for making
par or better(forget birdie for me)...
course. |
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f*t
发帖数: 382 | 37 For the course I normally play, par 4's are more like (good) driver + wedge.
So, I switched to long iron + mid-short iron. That's my current course
strategy.
driver is only for par 5s. |
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发帖数: 10701 | 38 530 - 110 = 420
至少在410-430之间吧。30 mph的风从身后，又跳到cart path上，下坡的cart path，一
路小跑，等我找到球，发现已经是wedge范围内了。
par 5让我用driver + 56度。。
不过似乎还是只拿了个birdie还是par. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 39 nice!
i only got par
the rest 260 was a blind shot. another experienced low handi player help me
drive the cart with me to check out the rest of 260, and gave me some
suggestions.
left side is out of bound, so i hit toward the right, use 52 to correct it
back to green.
so, driver + 3wood + 52, 3 on, and 2 putts, par, i won the skin for that
hole. i am just glad that i didnt waste a monster drive.
，一 |
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发帖数: 10701 | 40 330-350 par 4 tee shot 很多次了 （》10）
a
parred
center |
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发帖数: 10701 | 41 这玩意能放一起比吗？
人家world longest competition是football的场地下，设2个bound，然后比谁击得远。
他们球击得高，落地后滚的比较少，给他们整个cart path在落点的附近，他们能往千码
里去了，我猜。
我们这Long hit是不少，340码的可能是最长的。比如上周2 skins game里打球的一个p
ro James, jimmy clay第一洞par 4, 成绩单显示是420码par 4, dogleg right, 穿过一
个大水坑。开球地方到果岭直线是340码吧，他从tee开球，球落在果岭后1st cut处。
他可能是我见到的比较长的，而且比较稳定tee shot的，不过他的大多数开球后只剩下
100码之内，有些可能是40-70码，都让他给浪费了。
看他打球，尤其打这些熟悉的场地，你会深深的发现，和你打的不是同一个game...
你们呀，呵呵。。需要多看看pro games呀，特别是现场看看。
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发帖数: 10701 | 42 以前和一个朋友也在讨论如何让杆。
我们是打18洞我让9洞，每洞1杆。
当时他是选handicap 最高的9个洞。我觉得还不如选简单的9个洞。
简单的洞，他也容易拿到par，我最要拿到birdie才能和他平了。我要是拿par我就输了。
而难的洞，我也好不了哪去。当然，他要是更差我也就赢定了。
2中不同的策略，比较有意思。 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 43 goydos only drive Driving Distance 264.0 for the round, but very high
fairway %
the course is 7400 for par 71, while hazeltine is 7600 for par 72. so pretty
much silimiar length wise
seems distance does not matter
when i will drive ball straight and have a sense of contorl---
getting ball to where i want it to be??? and know a rough range how many
yards i gonna miss if i miss... |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 44 correction
#3 par5 is the hardest (where black tee make difference, about 46 yards back from blue, makes the fairway opening even narrower) where black and blue difference is less than 20 yards. not much difference. but over 20 yards, i guess difference.
#5 is very easy par5, where i got a 265 drive and 3putts bogey. I treat
bogey as par, and par as birdie.
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t****i
发帖数: 904 | 45 简直就是惨不忍睹。头九个洞愣没找着过fairway。up and down倒是不错，最后总算蹭
出了六个par。两个double bogey，都是开球到树底下，都没法一杆chip回fairway那种。
后九洞，开始用3号木和3号铁开球，总算找回点感觉，连着7个par，而且都是green in
regulation 那种。打到17洞，500多点的par5，两杆能够着，于是driver开球，立马O
.B。18洞，希望最后一下用driver找回点面子，结果在离石头墙一尺内找到球，杆都没
法挥，最后两洞+5，像吃了个苍蝇的感觉。
同一个球场，driver打得好与不好就是天上地下的感觉。 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 46 how you did at #3 par 5, from black tee?
and #9 par 4
difficult
just
out
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 47 tiger's 8 feet 10inch is quite amazing, considering that includes sand shot,
bad lies etc.
suppse drive average 260, and get 230 3wood tee up, 220 from fairway
birdie from 70 - 100 occurs :
260 + 100 = 360 yard mid length par 4,
or 230 + 100 = 330 short par4 tee off with woods or long iron
or 260 + 220 + 100 = 580 yard long par5
or 260 + 150(mid iron) + 100 = 510 yard short par 5
cover almost all amateur level golf courses.
except long par4 390+ yard or par3
seems that you can always hone 70-10 |
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j*****j
发帖数: 290 | 48 Birdie是arts,练不来的。Pro们打球也都是基本在保par，Birdie之是运气好的结果，
比如长推进洞，或approach shot close to pin，可遇不可求阿。一场球，如果有一两
个close shot, 一两个运气长推，其他的保par，那就是两到四个birdie，tiger也
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y**********7
发帖数: 769 | 49 你说"也就是说随便一个洞，让我打10次，我至少会有2-3个birdie。" 这是否等同于说
,随便十个洞,让你打一次,你至少会有2-3个birdie?
par 3就低于20% （当然，也要看啥样的par3, 这年头的par 3都不短呀。）整体来说我
有25%的机会。也就是说随便一个洞，让我打10次，我至少会有2-3个birdie。 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 50 played back 9 at boundary oaks this morning.
started with 2 par4, up and down save par, and follow with 3 GIR, but all 3
end up with 3 putts each. 6th hole par4, 3 on 3 putt, 7th par4 4 on 1 putt,
8th par3 another up and down save par, 9th par5 5 on 1 putt.
17 putts, 43 for 9 hole
other than 6th hole mistake, the rest i was feeling very good. but score is
still just ok.
and seems the problems are all over the place.
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