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KeeVan (Kevin) 于 (Thu Apr 1 20:26:18 2010, 美东) 提到:
我较这有几个事儿逻辑上不太通。
Christian应该是搞掉Paganism上位的，罗马皇帝后来不仅皈依基督，还禁止Pagan。基
督教应该是
一神教，而且排斥其它信仰。那么希腊，马其顿，罗马时期传说的英雄人物和神仙在中
世纪是怎么解释
的，好像欧洲还能把他们整合起来。比如伊利亚特里Hector是骑士精神的典范，但是
Trojan难道不是
啥Pagan大神的后代么，那个年代的英雄，包括罗马皇帝，都应该是Pagan诸神的后代吧
？那基督教庭
咋把这事儿说圆了呢？
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fead (fead) 于 (Thu Apr 1 20:32:02 2010, 美东) 提到:
什么是paganism?
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K****n
发帖数: 5970 | 2 我较这有几个事儿逻辑上不太通。
Christian应该是搞掉Paganism上位的，罗马皇帝后来不仅皈依基督，还禁止Pagan。基
督教应该是
一神教，而且排斥其它信仰。那么希腊，马其顿，罗马时期传说的英雄人物和神仙在中
世纪是怎么解释
的，好像欧洲还能把他们整合起来。比如伊利亚特里Hector是骑士精神的典范，但是
Trojan难道不是
啥Pagan大神的后代么，那个年代的英雄，包括罗马皇帝，都应该是Pagan诸神的后代吧
？那基督教庭
咋把这事儿说圆了呢？ |
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 3 【 以下文字转载自 Thoughts 讨论区,原文如下 】
发信人: wonderlich (左岸，遁去), 信区: Thoughts
标 题: Re: [转载] 急问：“pagan”
发信站: Unknown Space - 未名空间 (Wed Apr 7 00:37:24 2004) WWW-POST
pagan一般指崇拜自然、物品的异教。非基督教。
我手头有一本书：Witches and witchcraft,
名词解释paganism如下：
"A group of contemporary religious based on Nature worship and ancient
traditions, especially those of pre-Christian Europe." |
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K****n
发帖数: 5970 | 4 我其实就是在wiki出the Nine Worthies的时候发现这么讲说不通的。
“The Nine Worthies (les neuf preux) are nine historical, scriptural,
mythological or semi-legendary figures who, in the Middle Ages, were
believed to personify the ideals of chivalry.
he Nine Worthies were:
Pagan:
Hector
Alexander the Great
Julius Caesar
Jewish:
Joshua
David
Judas Maccabeus
Christian:
King Arthur
Charlemagne
Godfrey of Bouillon“
其中pagan的凯撒和亚历山大都好说，但是Hector应该是特洛伊王子，荷马史诗是不是
真事很难
说，如果真信荷马，那是不是也信Hector是Dardanus的后代，Achilles是Thetis的儿子
之类
的，这不变 |
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t********y
发帖数: 63 | 5 要作个presentation
topic是pagan
除了查词典外一无所获。
可否指教一下其来源、历史？
pagan（异教徒）是指所有不信教者呢，还是特指
基督教内的一派？
confused。
btw，有没有人知道中国某省一个很小的有一夫多妻
特征的宗教的名字？ 不是回教/伊斯兰教。 |
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p*******r
发帖数: 4048 | 6 Being at a national park for the last few days, I found that paganism, mostly
from Indian myths play a large role in the language of environmentalism, like
the analogy of the earth with mother, talking abouut how we are part of a
larger circle of life. While interesting, I tend to think that such religious
thinking are primitive. Would it be nice if a more "advanced" culture system
like the traditional Chinese thinking could be married to environmentalism.
I tend to think that such paganism thi |
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p*******r
发帖数: 4048 | 7 Being at a national park for the last few days, I found that paganism, mostly
from Indian myths play a large role in the language of environmentalism, like
the analogy of the earth with mother, talking abouut how we are part of a
larger circle of life. While interesting, I tend to think that such religious
thinking are primitive. Would it be nice if a more "advanced" culture system
like the traditional Chinese thinking could be married to environmentalism.
I tend to think that such paganism thin |
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x***n
发帖数: 43 | 9 帮你转到其他版问去了。我觉得pagan和其他几个相似的词还是有区别的，只是能力有限
不能做更具体的回答。希望有人能帮你。 |
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 10 I think this book will do: Witches and witchcraft.
Just search in amazon.com.
you can also search on the web.
as to the details,
I know a little bit,
but not so systemetic.
I indeed want to write some thing about Western Mystic Paganism sometime
later...you know all the stuffs like "pentacle"? |
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发帖数: 9567 | 11 314 Immediately after its full legalisation, the Christian Church attacks
the gentiles (non-Christians). The Council of Ancyra denounces the worship
of Goddess Artemis.
324 The emperor Constantine declares Christianity as the only official
religion of the Roman empire. In Dydima, Minor Asia, he sacks the Oracle of
the god Apollo and tortures the Pagan priests to death. He also evicts all
non-Christian peoples from Mount Athos and destroys all the local Hellenic
temples.
326 Constantine, followin... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 12 Decree of Theodosius, destruction of the Serapeum in 391
Paganism was made illegal by an edict of the Emperor Theodosius I in 391.
The holdings of the Great Library (both at the Mouseion and at the Serapeum)
were on the precincts of pagan temples. While this had previously lent them
a measure of protection, in the days of the Christian Roman Empire,
whatever protection this had previously afforded them had ceased.The temples
of Alexandria were closed by Patriarch Theophilus of Alexandria in AD 3... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8775 | 13 亚马逊上有人说这人的书主要是建立在三个18XX年的人的作品上的。而现在研究
埃及宗教的几乎没听过这几个人。这个评论的人声称把这个书中关于埃及的内容发给了
北美欧洲十个埃及宗教专家，几乎没人认识这些人和观点。一句话：不靠谱，要想认真
，自己多做点作业吧。
总结：
Virtually none of the alleged evidence for the views put forward in "The
Pagan Christ" is documented by reference to original sources. The notes
refer mainly to Kuhn, Higgins, Massey, or some other long-out-of-date work.
Furthermore, Harpur's notes abound with errors and omissions. If you look
for supporting evidence for a particular point made by the author, it is n... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 14 Theophilus, Gospel in hand, stands triumphantly atop the Serapeum in 391
The Serapeum in Alexandria was destroyed by a Christian crowd or Roman
soldiers in 391. Two conflicting accounts for the context of the
destruction of the Serapeum exist.
A film called Agora (film) was released in 2009 depicting these and
other event, with semi-historical accuracy .
According to early Christian sources,[clarification needed] bishop
Theophilus of Alexandria was Nicene patriarch when the decrees of
emperor Th... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 15 The concept of a burning Hell where people are tortured eternally, is often
thought of as a Bible teaching. It isn't. Rather, the whole concept of a Hel
l as people see it today, where the bad are sent to an underground world tha
t is ruled by an evil God, comes from a misunderstanding of the pagan Greek
Mythology of Hades, the River Styx, and the God Pluto. For if you read Greek
mythology, you'll see that Hades was never a place of torture, but simply t
he place where the dead go to be judged. ... 阅读全帖 |
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e****i
发帖数: 2152 | 16 From: The Dark Side of Christian History
by Helen Ellerbe
Chapter Eight: 1450 - 1750 C.E.
The Reformation did not convert the people of Europe to orthodox
Christianity through preaching and catechisms alone. It was the 300 year
period of witch-hunting from the fifteenth to the eighteenth century, what R
.H. Robbins called "the shocking nightmare, the foulest crime and deepest
shame of western civilization." The Church created the elaborate concept of
devil worship and then, used the persecution ... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********r
发帖数: 3382 | 17 VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
"WONDERFUL EVENTS THAT TESTIFY TO GOD'S DIVINE GLORY"
Listed are only events that solely occurred on command or participation of
church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List
incomplete)
Ancient Pagans
As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (
315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan
priests were killed.
Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
E... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********r
发帖数: 3382 | 18 VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
"WONDERFUL EVENTS THAT TESTIFY TO GOD'S DIVINE GLORY"
Listed are only events that solely occurred on command or participation of
church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List
incomplete)
Ancient Pagans
As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (
315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan
priests were killed.
Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
E... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 19 Theophilus of Alexandria (died 412) was Patriarch of Alexandria, Egypt
from 385 to 412. He is regarded as a saint by the Coptic Orthodox
Church.
He was a Coptic Pope at a time of conflict between the newly dominant
Christians and the pagan establishment in Alexandria, each supported by
a segment of the Alexandrian populace.
In 391, Theophilus (according to Rufinus and Sozomen) discovered a
hidden pagan temple. He and his followers mockingly displayed the pagan
artifacts to the public which offen... 阅读全帖 |
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l******t
发帖数: 490 | 20 解答：Allah為什麼有時候用複數代詞“我們”
The Quran, Allah and Plurality Issues (Sam Shamoun)
The Quran, much like the Holy Bible, uses plural pronouns for God even more
so than what we find in God’s true Word. Here are several examples:
This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee
(O Apostle!) by inspiration: Thou wast not with them when they cast lots
with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary:
Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point). S... 阅读全帖 |
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C****i
发帖数: 1776 | 21 神學教育典範﹕神學生必讀書目
A CLASSIC SEMINARY EDUCATION:
My Recommended Reading List
What the 21st century longs and needs to see, are Christians and
churches w
ho have a message to proclaim. Do you know what you believe? Building one
's own theological foundation is a life time task. It may involve going to s
eminary, or it may not. Not everyone has that opportunity. Sadly, very oft
en a seminary degree does not mean a solid foundation in the doctrines of th
e Bible. However you can launch ou... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 9567 | 22 As with almost all holidays that have their roots in Christianity,
Easter has been secularized and commercialized. The dichotomous nature
of Easter and its symbols, however, is not necessarily a modern
fabrication.
Since its conception as a holy celebration in the second century, Easter
has had its non-religious side. In fact, Easter was originally a pagan
festival.
The ancient Saxons celebrated the return of spring with an uproarious
festival commemorating their goddess of offspring and of spri... 阅读全帖 |
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C****i
发帖数: 1776 | 23 SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY: THEMES 系統神學﹕專題
Doctrine of the Knowledge of God / Doctrine of Revelation / Doctrine of Scri
pture
認識神﹐啟示論﹐聖經論
John Frame, The Doctrine of the Knowledge of God (Phillipsburg, NJ:
Presbyt
erian and Reformed, 1987). Translation into Chinese in progress, China Hori
zon
這是當代改革宗一本立場穩固﹐思路清晰﹐對福音派 (改革宗以外) 人士採溫和態
度的 "啟示論" 教科書。作者曾在耶魯大學攻讀邏輯﹐多年來在威敏斯特神學院 (費
城校本部﹐和加州校園) 任教﹐近年來在改革宗神學院任系統神學教授。
巴刻在<<基要主義與神的道>>裡為聖經的權威辯護﹐也處理了信心與理性的關
係。本書
的著作﹐是為了回應1950年代英國聖公會自由派的一位主教攻擊基要派。因此... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 24 From Constantine To Augustine
As Durant and other historians have pointed out, Constantine never reno
unced his loyalty to the pagan gods. He abolished neither the Altar of Victo
ry in the Senate nor the Vestal Virgins who tended the sacred fire of the go
ddess Vesta. The Sun-god, not Christ, continued to be honored on the imperia
l coins. In spite of the "cross" (actually the cross of the god Mithras) on
his shields and military banners, Constantine had a medallion created honori
ng the Su... 阅读全帖 |
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e****i
发帖数: 2152 | 25 Prior to the 9th century CE: There was a widespread popular belief that
evil Witches existed. They were seen as evil persons, primarily women, who
devoted their lives to harming and killing others through black magic and
evil sorcery. The Catholic church at the time officially taught that such
Witches did not exist. It was a heresy to say that they were real. "For
example, the 5th century Synod of St. Patrick ruled that 'A Christian who
believes that there is a vampire in the world, that is ... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 26 Pagan traditions: Many Pagan cultures used to cut boughs of evergreen trees
in December, move them into the home or temple, and decorate them. Modern-
day Pagans still do. This was to recognize the winter solstice -- the time
of the year that had the shortest daylight hours, and longest night of the
year. This occurs annually sometime between DEC-20 to 23; most often, it is
DEC-21. As the solstice approached, they noticed that the days were
gradually getting shorter; many feared that the sun wou... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****n
发帖数: 1998 | 27 这个在达文西密码里面有过描述， 属于pagan宗教， 崇拜女人。 本来在欧洲属于主流
宗教，后来罗马搞出来新教， 把pagan搞灭了， 所谓的witch hunt就是杀pagan信徒。
联系这个人崇拜稀拉痢，还真有点靠铺 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 28 (CNSNews.com) – Textbooks used in Pakistani public schools and religious
madrassas promote intolerant views of non-Muslim minorities, extol jihad,
and portray non-Muslims not at citizens with rights but as infidels, pagans,
apostates or subservient dhimmis, according to an unprecedented new study.
Interviews with teachers and students, carried out as part of the
investigation, found that negative views of non-Muslims contained in the
books are widely held by teachers and transmitted to children... 阅读全帖 |
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b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 29
Pagan caught the fly ball，one out.
Pagan tried to throw the ball to 2nd base, it was a good throw but Jose
Reyes got confused and he thought pagan was throwing home so he didn’t try
to catch the ball, so the ball went to the infield...
The catcher threw the ball back to 2nd base, two out. The player who should
be on 2nd base was on 3rd base at that moment, so he was out.
The 2nd baseman threw to first base, got the 3rd out. The player who should
be on 1st base was on 2nd base at that moment, so |
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c**r
发帖数: 2019 | 30 这个辩论是你老弟挑起来的，我的原话如下
Fantasia 2000里面有个唐老鸭主演的诺亚方舟的故事，背景用的是Pomp and
Circumstance，画面和情节都不错，但有迎合宗教口味之嫌。
首先我所指的“迎合宗教口味之嫌”，主要是说唐老鸭这段，没有把它推广到全剧的兴
趣，你拿出剧中并不存在的春之祭，来证明其如何pagan。
其次，我的原话是“迎合宗教口味之嫌”，仅仅是向fingerling54阐述自己的感受，供
他参考而已，根本就不是立论。这种感性的话题，我也没兴趣就此分出个青红皂白，而
且也不可能分清楚。
如果你的确认识一打“认为fantasia当中pagan意味太浓”的基督徒，那我建议你就这
个问题写个专稿，多方取证，详细具体描述一下这些人的看法，这也算给大家提供点儿
精神食粮。
最后，鉴于你貌似很喜欢这种纠缠性的风格，不得不再抓你一个小辫子。“我认识好些
基督徒认为其中的pagan意味太浓了呢 基本上还没有听说过有抱怨fantasia宗教意味过
浓的。”这句话是否可以理解成，“基本上还没有听说过有（基督徒）抱怨fantasia宗
教意味过浓的”。如果真是如此，你这话就是n... 阅读全帖 |
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C****i
发帖数: 1776 | 31 当代正统神学的任务﹝二﹞
──诺斯底派的世界观与当今正统护教的任务
护教的动机与历史鉴戒
教会在每一个时代都必须认真地拾起护教的责任。护教的任务包括什么？积极方面，护
教者必须宣讲真理 – 护教的目的，不是讨好世人，护教的动机是将人的心意夺回，信
服基督 （林后十4-5）。我们不可以出于惧怕的心来从事护教的工作：我们不必，也绝
不应该怕十字架的福音会得罪世人，因而重新包装我们的福音 “信息” 来迎合世人的
喜好。十字架对世人来说，不是绊脚石，就是愚拙，这是《圣经》明明的教导；可是对
于那些蒙神大能的恩典而得救的人，福音总是神的能力，神的智慧 (参考：哥林多前书
，第一 ，二章) 。
消极方面，护教者必需指出每一个时代的思潮背后的世界观 (worldview)。世界观包括
人对宇宙，神，灵界等的信念；这是 “形上学” (metaphysics) 方面的信念。世界观
也包括人对真理，知识等的信念，与科学，哲学之间的关系；这是 “知识论” (epist
emology)方面的信念。护教的任务，是攻破世人思维的营垒 – 就是那些拦阻人来到基
督面前顺服信靠祂的事情 – 哥林多后书十4 ，5。
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S*******s
发帖数: 13043 | 32 http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Jesu
JESUS' REAL BIRTHDAY
Most biblical scholars and preachers readily admit that they know Christ was
not born on December 25th. However, they claim that this day is as good as
any other to celebrate the birth of Jesus, despite the fact that it was
originally a pagan celebration called Saturnalia which commemorated the
birth of the sun god.
God had this to say about appropriating pagan methods of worship and trying
to honor Him with th... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4298 | 33 去查查复活节的来历吧，是基督教抢占了pagan holiday，那个兔子是个生殖女神
“On this greatest of Christian festivals, several survivals occur of
ancient heathen ceremonies. To begin with, the name itself is not Christian
but pagan. Ostara was the Anglo-Saxon Goddess of Spring” (Ethel L. Urlin,
Festival, Holy Days, and Saints Days, p. 73).
“Easter—the name Easter comes to us from Ostera or Eostre, the Anglo-Saxon
goddess of spring, for whom a spring festival was held annually, as it is
from this pagan festival that some of our E... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8775 | 34 我认为这个题目不太合适。
这段圣经是在某个历史宗教环境下保罗写给特定的听众的信。我们在解读圣经是必须考
虑到这些因素。
我们可以从ESV study bible上看到当时罗马的习俗是女人结婚后在公共场合要盖住头
（见帖子最后）。不然就是对丈夫的不敬。
我们要在当时的历史环境下理解保罗的信。而不是看到这些就说基督徒中已婚女性要盖
住头，等等。这是就是对圣经的错误解读。虽然表面上看这种解读没错，但是由于没有
结合当时的历史环境，所以会得到片面，极端的结论。
请看帖子如何正确解读圣经：
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TrustInJesus/951493.html
ESV study bible:
1 Cor. 11:3 But shows that Paul has quickly moved from commendation (in v. 2
) to correction. wife. See esv footnote. Since a woman’s head covering in
first-century Roman society was ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8775 | 35 还有一个宗教研究人士。也给了书一星。
一个词总结这个书: rubbish.
I am not a Christian, but I do study religion academically - which means
from an unbiased, "methodological agnostic" (which is the big, technical
term for 'we don't say whether it is right or wrong, we just acknowledge its
role in the human experience') standpoint.
All I can say regarding this book is that it's full of rubbish. Most of its
points can/have been refuted by real academics, and it serves little more
than to open up the discussion of pagan influe... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 12188 | 36 "基基发家虽然比较文明，面对的意识形态对手是在一神教面前毫无还手之力的古典多
神教，自然不用留什么情面，全部清场。"
您老这句话后面那个论点，可就大有争论了。很可能是一种cognitive bias。
首先，基们发家文明，不管是不是宗教本身就文明，至少这是不得已的。人家开始是底
层社会，连局部优势都木有（比如犹太人虽然是被统治者，但是在某些地区占据局部优
势，罗马政府都必须要和谐，类似维族在南疆某些地区）。
你说基们后来咸鱼翻身，然后是不是就狠毒起来？ 有个传统说法是基们灭了古典pagan
religion。其实这个真的大有可疑。基们后来要破四旧，砸烂了很多 artifacts 那是
事实，好比红卫兵们砸烂了很多东西，但是要说杀人和灭绝文化，估计不会太多，很多
是偏见了。首先，pagan religion自己就已经退潮了，早在耶稣时代，这些宗教已经很
大程度是一种文化传统了，游行狂欢，大家玩玩，罗马人自己都不信的。没有人把那些
神灵严肃对待。
你看新约里面保罗的对手，要么是斯多葛，要么是伊壁鸠鲁，还有啥都不信的犬儒
cynics，总之都是一些哲学，保罗从来没把阿波罗、宙斯（朱比特）、雅... 阅读全帖 |
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h******i
发帖数: 21077 | 37 因为印度教是多神教。
古希腊科学大发展，就是因为多神教的Pagan（我不知道什么意思）是主流；
后来罗马接受了基督教，就不如当时还信仰Pagan的日耳曼人等蛮族厉害了；
基督教阻碍科学发展1000年不说，大不列颠为了干扰别国科技，生生漂洋过海把多神教
的印度打成了孙子，不允许发展科技，导致本来科技先进的印度，沦落为世界二流国家。
多神教国家都是科技最先进的，蒙古西藏满洲的科技都比Yarkland、中原和朝鲜先进。
印度教能战胜佛教也是这个原理。
到了今天，因为阿三坚持印度教，使得印度IT引领世界，成为有最先进科技的国家，人
人尊称“三哥”。 |
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y***u
发帖数: 7039 | 38 Olympics' Blatant Occult Symbolism & Message
by Marcos
2012-0813
No Olympics has been as blatant about its Luciferian message as the London
Olympics 2012. Olympics reveals real meaning of "secular" : pagan, satanic.
The Olympics started as a religious ritual for Zeus in Ancient Greece. The
Olympic pyre must be lit by the rays from the Sun (Lucifer) and paraded to
the stadium with all reverence.
This famous ritual presented the Illuminati with an excellent opportunity to
openly worship the devil.... 阅读全帖 |
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l*********r
发帖数: 204 | 39
您请别强加给我。 我哪里说了“任何人都归属于这三个分类”？
反正中国人被世界上所有的主要排他性强的极端宗教都当作是首当其冲的“异类”。
还自作聪明的蔑视以为这些屠夫的脖子上有leash，甚至还倒贴嫖资，以为他
们对你们这些蔑视神灵的pagan有tolerance甚至真爱。
好好看看古希腊古罗马的pagan,中亚南亚的佛教，中国的道教，怎么从1到0的吧。 |
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h******i
发帖数: 21077 | 40 不是，只是Pagan的一种形式。
中医、黄大仙、妈祖庙、跳大神、赶尸这些也属于Pagan范畴，比萨满教落后多了。 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 41 By Michael F. Haverluck
A lawsuit that challenges the placement of the cross at the site of the 9/11
attack on the World Trade Center alleges atheist plaintiffs have suffered
serious physical and mental illness because the religious symbol has made
them feel excluded.
Nonsense, says a new friend-of-the-court brief to be filed Monday in the
case by the American Center for Law and Justice. The brief, which carries
the signatures of more than 100,000 people, argues there have been no known
sighting... 阅读全帖 |
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x**h
发帖数: 1564 | 42 Pagan传给catcher是多余的，好在runner没有回来，所以还是triple play了
Pagan接球的时候，原来在1，2垒的runner已经跑到了2，3垒，而且他们也来不及回去了
所以传回2垒是让跑到3垒的那哥们out
传回1垒是让跑到2垒的那哥们out
这种外野的triple play很难得是因为runner一般是跑一半，如果被fly out就赶紧回原垒 |
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J****n
发帖数: 3011 | 43
他好像不是想扔给catcher，你注意他扔球的力道很小，是想传给2垒，匆忙稍微高了
一点。2垒也迷糊了一下，不知道pagan接球前有没有球落地。如果是base hit，1垒的
跑垒手已经上了2垒，他接了球也杀不掉。所以干脆把球让给catcher。pagan心里明白
那球没落地，所以赶紧嚷嚷着让catcher把球传回2垒。
后面你的判断是对的
out？ |
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 44 Cueto himself is stupid. Pitchers are taught to finish the pitch after
windup
Pagan stepped out of the batting box without being granted a timeout
Cueto started his windup and saw Pagan was not there so he forced himself
to stop and got his back injured |
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G***a
发帖数: 27294 | 45 音乐史上来说，正是有这种男声的存在，才发展出harmony这种歌唱技巧。。。
古代中国几乎没有合声唱法，古代欧洲也没有。在中世纪欧洲（约１１世纪开始），奥
古斯汀大帝由pagan洗礼成了christian，目的是为了平衡christian和pagan的斗争，巩
固他的统治。
因此，为了确立christian的神圣不可侵犯地位，帝国想出了很多方法。比如歌特式建
筑，和圣咏
葛里高利圣咏是音乐史上的大突破，阉人僧侣男歌手，作为女声的高度出现，在歌特式
教堂高高的天顶下就能heavenly，离开人间般的效果。，，，，，
所以，我觉得以前在男女不平等的情况下，这些男人的特殊声线，促进了复调音乐的产
生和发展（要不怎么compose啊？） |
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s**********e
发帖数: 2719 | 46 All Souls Night （Loreena McKennitt）
Bonfires dot the rolling hills
Figures dance around and around
To drums that pulse out echoes of darkness
Moving to the pagan sound.
Somewhere in a hidden memory
Images float before my eyes
Of fragrant nights of straw and of bonfires
And dancing till the next sunrise.
[Chorus:]
I can see lights in the distance
Trembling in the dark cloak of night
Candles and lanterns are dancing, dancing
A waltz on All Souls Night.
Figures of cornstalks bend in the shadows
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c**r
发帖数: 2019 | 47 希腊神话难道不是pagan? 现在有几个人信这些东西？pagan给你家敲门儿传教么？ |
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c**r
发帖数: 2019 | 48 你认识的我不认识。。。这只能看作是个案。。。现在同样也有号称要复兴德鲁伊教的
。。。不过我建议你先认真看看Fantasia 2000。火鸟那段音乐所表现的，就一个简单
抽象的故事，根本就没有你所谓的春之祭，再说了，斯特拉文斯基这首原作，同其后来
未完成的《春之祭》，的确有关系，但仍然是两码事儿。。。所以也就同paganism关系
不大，就如同前文说的，仅仅是文化成分而已，再虔诚的基督徒，也不会反对普通精灵
的存在。。。至于某些基督徒如何仇视Harry Potter，这是你的立论，本该由你来举证
。。。不过呢，我对此的不成熟看法是：Harry Potter貌似要力图展现一个比较完整的
灵界体系，而基督教的主宰，天使什么的，在这个体系中却没有位置，这就由不得某些
基督徒大动肝火了。。。我也听说过类似的冬冬，比如某华人基督徒家庭不给孩子看西
游记。。。哈里波特也好，西游记也好，都是比较成体系的，并倾向于以其体系来诠释
世界的东西，Fantasia 当中的那些你所谓pagan的东西，根本就无法与之同日而语。 |
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b*s
发帖数: 82482 | 49 其实pagan的神谕不要太多。最有名的神谕都是pagan来源的
世界三大宗教中，基督教和伊斯兰教，都发源于犹太教。犹太教的经文用的是希伯来语。
另一大宗教，佛教，不强调神谕的概念
既然说神谕，追根溯源，当然是要回到希伯来。 |
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a******e
发帖数: 982 | 50 Easter 是 Pagan 的節日， 兔子是繁殖力旺盛的代表動物。
基教的節日都是繼承Pagan 的， 耶穌不是真正存在的人，
故事怎樣編都行。 |
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