j***n 发帖数: 3786 | 1 Magnetic... cannot shoot in the range here... |
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x*7 发帖数: 11281 | 3 回帖里面说LEAD CORE,MAGNETIC应该是说钢壳 |
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x*7 发帖数: 11281 | 4
我定的东西下星期到,你看什么时候有空,
我上你那里做paperwork? |
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T******g 发帖数: 21328 | 5 http://www.popyard.com/cgi-mod/newspage.cgi?num=668087&r=0&v=0&j=0
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加拿大一批枪械爱好者因为中国进口步枪之事与皇家骑警杠上。
皇家骑警说中国北方工业公司(Norinco)出品的Type 97A半自动步枪,很容易改装成法
律禁止的全自动步枪,因此必须禁止;枪械爱好者则说法律只禁止全自动步枪,警方的
禁令违法,因而已决定与骑警对簿公堂。
Type 97A实际上是中国解放军现役95式自动步枪的衍生型,稍有不同的是,为了符合出
口标准,Type 97A取消原有的全自动射击功能。而当这款半自动步枪进入加拿大时,皇
家骑警未将之列为禁品,枪械爱好者便捷足先登购入。
但皇家骑警后来发现,只要稍经修改,便能恢复Type 97A的全自动射击功能,因而改变
想法,将此枪列为禁品。为平息枪主的不满,联邦政府甚至同意不强行收缴,而是以每
枝1400元的高价收购Type 97A... 阅读全帖 |
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f****t 发帖数: 15913 | 6 就是些银样蜡枪头,给老总们饱眼福罢了,那些M4卡宾枪是NORINCO 山寨的吗?怎么连
SOPMOD枪托都要山寨呀?
还是在那火红的年代手持56半的铁姑娘看得更真实,更有战斗力。 |
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U******u 发帖数: 5829 | 7 at Cabela and Sportworld, in Canada, USSR only SKS $250~350, very solid and
good quality (made in1954~1956), some are black some white bayonets.
Cabela $250 w/o scope, Sportsworld a little more but w/ scope, only $395.....
I was shocked too, when I first time found that price and checked the gun quality......
But based on Canada firmairs regulations, all semi-auto must be modified to 5
rds lal.......
I didn't find 南修 or Norinco stuff here....... |
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q**u 发帖数: 12289 | 8 嗯,预算一千以内的话基本arsenal saiga是最靠谱的选择。如果能提到$1500左右,也
可以考虑pre-ban norinco或者polytech冲压机匣。 |
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s*********r 发帖数: 4210 | 9 我想进一把1911玩一玩。 LD说了必需先把家里的货出一把。 现在有,P226, Norinco
黑星和savage 22lr. 真不知道该出哪一把。 麻烦ing. |
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m*****g 发帖数: 320 | 10 出.22吧,便宜,回头偷摸着再弄一把就是了
Norinco |
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q**u 发帖数: 12289 | 11 把黑星藏起来,跟你领导说出了。进1911,换成黑握把盖。以后玩儿的时候只需要确保
这两把枪不同时出现在她面前即
可,俺可以保证她区分不出来。呵呵。
Norinco |
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f*********n 发帖数: 11154 | 12 枪支安全重要的一条,“The safety on a gun is a mechanical device that can
and
will fail, so never solely rely on the safety”。
很不幸,这个事故验证了。
http://www.etruth.com/Know/News/Story.aspx?ID=537516
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Karlee died from a bullet wound to the head Feb. 25 when a handgun fell
out of her father's pocket. The gun discharged when it struck the floor
in their home on West Wilden Avenue, according to the family and
authorities.
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"The firearm that was recovered at the scene was identified as a Norinco
semi-automatic h... 阅读全帖 |
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M******n 发帖数: 499 | 13 Concel carry的风险,不理解为啥用这么一把大枪插口袋里,而且还在家里上膛。
文章的结论是:Norinco pistol is a piece of junk,not safe。 |
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M*******n 发帖数: 1165 | 14 Norinco这个山寨厂就不会把安全机制也山寨了吗 |
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q**u 发帖数: 12289 | 15 带盒子的polytech legend现在就这个价钱,枪况再好点儿的话上三千都不奇怪,连冲
压机匣的preban norinco都卖一千
八两千了。 |
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t*****8 发帖数: 1274 | 16 哎,是啊,一直在看AK呢...想搞个NORINCO的PRE-BAN也是不便宜阿... |
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q**u 发帖数: 12289 | 18 norinco preban,一千五左右,polytech legend,三千左右 |
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d*******l 发帖数: 26 | 19 想收藏一条ak47,问问大伙儿,美国市面上有原装的Izhmash的 ak47吗?买的找吗?
市面上有很多罗马尼亚产的wasr-10, Sar-1, 中国的norinco, 美国本地产的
arsenal,lancaster(蛮贵的)。请教一下,质量哪个好啊? 哪个更original. |
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U******u 发帖数: 5829 | 20 也是怨以前北方工业搞大白菜价的倾销方式卖甚至走私NORINCO想占领市场反而砸了
自己脚。。。。。。 |
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U******u 发帖数: 5829 | 22 the problem is in Canada, u cann't have semi-auto w/ >5 rds mag!
so, nothing better than 56 semi...... |
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T******g 发帖数: 21328 | 23 要不要进口加州的bullet button? 吼吼 |
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X***y 发帖数: 3947 | 24 那倒不是问题。问题是加拿大现在也禁这枪了好像。想买5发的也没有了吧 |
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U******u 发帖数: 5829 | 25 not ban, but seems need special, like class 3, license to hold such mili
weapon..... |
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z**********3 发帖数: 155 | 26 价钱挺便宜啊 怎么会是5.56而不是5.8呢 出口型??? |
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X***y 发帖数: 3947 | 27 lol,5发全自动?
有没有办法合法地卖到美国这边啊 |
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U******u 发帖数: 5829 | 28 no, misunderstand i meant:
in Canada, all mili rifles are required special license, although they are
been semi-auto already, like AR, M14/16, AK,
for those civil rifle, must be 5-rds semi, w/ general license.......
auto? very very difficult to get for civilians, except some mili or law-
officer or RPMC special force guys..... |
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C*******d 发帖数: 15836 | 31 这个看起来比美国复杂:
Gun politics in Canada is controversial, though less contentious than it is
in the
United States. Civilian firearm owners in Canada mainly consist of citizens
who
want to keep their right to hunt for sport and subsistence, which is
important for
many aboriginal peoples, as well as target shooting sports and collectors.
The
Firearms Act of 1995 does not recognise self-defense as a valid reason to
acquire a
firearm in Canada, though the Criminal Code allows reasonable use of force
in s... 阅读全帖 |
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U******u 发帖数: 5829 | 32 you both correct.
Fire arms are much more seriously controled in CA than in US.
and among ppl, more civilians are not strong gun-own supporters, comparing
to Americians. When I had job interview w/ my dept chair and main recrue
committee members, talked about this issue, seems 60% are not favored in own
guns, half of other 40% not care, half like to have who actually came from
US too!!!
I immediately shut up my mouth on talking this issue and thanks not me
raised this issue during chatting, mos... 阅读全帖 |
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C*******d 发帖数: 15836 | 33 谢谢分享加拿大经验!看来美国在这方面还是相对来说很不错的。如果我要到加拿大工
作这一点我肯定会觉得
很不舒服的。
own
from
treand |
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U******u 发帖数: 5829 | 34 well, depending which states u r in US, right?
here, in CA, although we cann't have semi-auto >5 rds, but, still good for
stab paper or hunting lal.....
In US, at those serious ban or gun-control states, u won't feel happy either
.....
另外一个景,是在加拿大看到,但美国绝看不到的:象7.62x39, x51R, 5.56之类的
蛋蛋都是成箱堆在CABELA或SPORTS SALE等大店卖枪柜台前跟小山一样,你抗着就去
付钱了。
在美国可真没见到大的店这样堆大白菜一样的堆着放蛋蛋的场景--除了小枪弹铺子
外。呵呵。。。。。
dok |
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C*******d 发帖数: 15836 | 35 啊,这个我完全同意!!有些变态的州/城市比加拿大要差多了。我在一个在枪方面控
制比较严的州,但是比起
加拿大,好像还好一点点:)
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U******u 发帖数: 5829 | 36 其实,要练射击打靶和打猎,5发的半自动也够了。 |
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C*******d 发帖数: 15836 | 37 完全同意!
但是如果要自卫,尤其是防止暴民对像我们这样的比较富裕但又弱小好欺负的少数民族
的攻击,5发弹夹实在是
太少了。就算只有1,2个拿刀的小偷,我们中又有多少人能确定5发手枪子弹能把他们
完全制服?更何况对很多
自卫的是老头老太太小姐大妈。 |
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U******u 发帖数: 5829 | 38 well, for closing distence, I won't use semi-rifle at all, I use shotgun
instead, or at least >10 rds handgun with hollow point ammo.......
semi rifle is good for >20-50 yards, but this distence is not good for you
claim "self-defence" lal, u definitely lose on the court once beiing sued...
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C*******d 发帖数: 15836 | 39 这么说手枪和猎枪弹匣没有限制了?如果这样还是不错的。但是,在一些最极端情况下
,比如我提到的大规模
种族暴乱,我还是不会排除用大弹夹半自动步枪进行自卫的。
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U******u 发帖数: 5829 | 40 你啊,还是太死心眼了!
真TLLD到那种地步,还什么法规啦,俺肯定是事先就从黑道上再贵也要买至少三把
全自动的:一把冲锋,一把UZI,一把COMPACT手枪再加一把半自动SHOTGUN藏家里,
而且至少每个要5--10个30-40发弹匣压满了备战了。到那地步,半自动还来得及嘛???
他们来要俺和俺全家命,了还说什么禁枪禁全自动的事啊,打了再说了,就是打死
在家里一大片20--30个,顶多就是私藏违例军火罪,那也是这版上哪位说的,面对
12个陪审也胜过让6个抬墓地去。。。。。。。 |
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C*******d 发帖数: 15836 | 41 但是这种和平和暴乱的转换一般发生的非常快,不允许你有足够的时间购置黑道非法武
器。而如果提前买了准
备,那么自己就犯法了,我想很多人都不愿意这么做的。
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a**********t 发帖数: 607 | 42 今天在gunshow上看到一把Norinco 的MAK-90,忍不住拿下了。我先不说价格,各位老
大帮忙看看品相如何,顺便给估个价,看能值多少钱。随枪送了一个40rd的弹匣,一个
枪袋。 |
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a**********t 发帖数: 607 | 43 各位老大再帮忙估个价,明天我说我买的价格,估计被宰了。。。
俺还是太菜,见到Norinco就晕了头,把村长和各位老大以前说的话都抛脑后了,话说
这贴千万不能被LD看到,否则更惨 |
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q**u 发帖数: 12289 | 44 是post-ban的mak-90没错。现在原装mak-90根据枪况不同能卖到四五百甚至更高吧,不
过你这个显然不是原装,手枪
握把和枪托都是后换的。一般理解换过枪托不会让枪增值只会减值,但是你这个算特殊
情况,因为俺看着你这个托应该是
norinco给preban枪做的,而且看颜色应该是一整套四件的。光这套家具你现在就能卖
出二百刀。四十发弹匣俺不知道市
场价,暂且不说。综合来看如果内部干净无损无锈,能卖六七百吧。
另,你那个枪口制跳器怎么固定的?如果没有固定,建议你把它拧下来,否则打着打着
肯定会掉。 |
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U******u 发帖数: 5829 | 45 yes, need go to course not only one for rifle, another one for handgun.....
if want mili auto, need another special training and license which is almost
impossible for civilian.......
I sold them all to gun dealer. theoretically I can bring 3 guns, but, semi
auto must be 5 rds mag! that's impossible or not worthwhile for me to bring
my guns to Canada.
Actually, here semi AK, SKS, not expensive comparing to US price although
they are 5 rds model, all norinco or USSR SKS very good model or quality... 阅读全帖 |
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f*********n 发帖数: 11154 | 46 At every range, shooters from the following list of archetypes can be
found. The more you think about it, the more you will realize you have
seen these people. The question is, which one are you?
1. Grampa and Cody
Typically an older white guy and his sniveling grandchild (or similar
junior relation). Grampa is trying to teach Cody (or Jody, or Brody, or
whatever crap name the kid has) how to shoot with a 1950’s era Lakefield
or Cooey .22 rifle and an empty tin can lying 10m away on the ground.
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r*********y 发帖数: 281 | 47 想用军剩7.62X39练拴动准备打猎,可以买Norinco的JW-103,就是不怎么好找。。。 |
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x****7 发帖数: 387 | 48 没有北方重工,只有北方工业公司。Norinco的AK相比Polytech产品烂一些。 |
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s*********r 发帖数: 4210 | 49 我有一个关于中国AK的问题,就是receiver的钢的厚度。美国的网站说norinco的AK,
如MAK-90,好在于几点。其中一个就是receiver的钢有1.5mm,比其它的厚。但是国内的
网上说,用1.5mm是因为天朝的钢质量不如,所以要加厚。这样的话,56式就更重,而
且还是更容易发烫。 这些都是假设,MAK-90 和156式用的钢是一样的。不知道真的
AK47 用多厚的钢。
哪位高手来分析一下。 |
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