p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 1 randy lew can get 4+bb/hand when playing 24 tables on 10-20NL above. I think
a lot of good reg in NL400 rush can get 4+BB/100 as well.
100 hand at NL100. 我最后30万手还偏整出一个4.1bb/100 hand. 这live 大大小小
那么多场子, 容易点的整出个40$/hour over large sample, 也不是不可能. 咱也没
说这那里都可以搞出这win rate 啊,或随便一个人都可以打到. 这不是听cmis 的介绍
而已吗? 他说他能搞出来,我就不会一口告诉他不可能. have an open mind everyone
? 再说, 这live game, 没有最鱼, 只有更鱼, really anything is possible. 你不能
不代表没人能. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 我越想越觉得对手打得好啊. 这个river check shove, 有NL400的风范啊.
可惜作为他的对手,我只是一个NL25 的nit, 这不是对牛弹琴吗? 他肯定错误的把我想得和他一样牛B了.
Merge $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players -
MP: $41.73
CO: $6.65
Hero (BTN): $54.26
SB: $25.00
BB: $25.65
UTG: $16.50
UTG+1: $12.55
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with 3c 3d
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP raises to $1.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.10, 3
folds
Flop: ($2.80) 9c Ts 3s (2 players)
MP bets $1.65, Hero raises to $4, MP calls $2.35
Turn: ($10.80) Td (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $6.50, MP c... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 A10o是 rayallen34 solid winner.
Jc8c flapus007 NL100 NL50 也是solid winner. 打NL400 输了不少。
两个人的都是TAGish 数据。
发现这些reg 都很喜欢盯着我打。。 哈哈。。 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 4 6. 我曾有十来个扑克室的账户，各个stake都打过，以前赌博的时候最高打过盲注200
/400, 当时就一送钱的主。说这些是想说：我知道哪里赚钱最简单。一些以博彩为主的
网站的扑克室是最soft的。一个可能原因是经常都有些赌球赌马赢了的人来扑克室散钱
吧。NL400/600/1000的任何一桌fish超过50%，包括REG fish。当然在现在的环境下，
在小网站取钱有一定风险，主要是速度慢。最难赚钱的永远是最大的扑克室，牛逼的
PRO都在那里。如果现在我能打PS，只有2个原因我才会去那里：1.去那里买大tourney
的彩票 2.去那里和高手切磋一下，提高cash game的技术。
7. 不要过分相信pokertablerating的信息。我很早就发觉这网站很烂，各个扑克室都
会漏掉很多牌，在当年还能查PS的时候就漏掉了我很多大POT。你查一个人是fish，其
实可能他是稳定赢家，反之也是，尤其针对小网站。还有Merge shares player pool只
针对tournament，cash game 各管各的。PTR上面只完全记录carbon的。一些其他Skin
在11... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 5 ACR的rake系统很奇怪，一共有三重rake。
普通rake 5% cap $3。 Bad beat jackpot rake $0.07。 “The beast” jackpot
rake $0.18。如果每月打牌超过10k手，“the beast”的rake大概会返还110%到120%。
普通rakeback 27%， BBJ quad 8 or better。还有就是100% first deposit bonus 永
不过期。感觉就是如果每月打得比较少（<2k），它的rake是超高的。如果打得超多(>
200k),仅“the beast”的rakeback盈利就会超过$5000。然后没有reward points...
能用HM。一般NL100人比较多，晚上8桌不成问题吧。NL50人少一点6max一般4～5桌。经
常可以看到leatherass在玩NL200～NL400。
玩家水平是我玩过的几个站当中最高的。NL50还好，紧弱的比较多，我明显有一些edge
。NL100的大部分玩家在preflop和3b pot打的非常凶。我只能break even。之前在lock
玩NL10... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 small stake is NL 100 and NL200 btw.....NL50 and below are microstake.....
just to make sure that we are on the same page.... NL400+ Medium-High stake |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 7 因为有的时候会和leatherass交手，我还特意找了他以前的coaching video来研究。然
后感觉是，07-08年的game实在是太soft了。难怪black friday过后很多人不适应。
Leatherass 08年video里NL400的reg到今天未必能打赢NL50。
win |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 8 这个问题一直是我开始学打牌的以后比较关心的，因为如果你的win rate很高，就意味
着没什么必要在当前级别和一群菜鸟浪费时间了，如果很低，说明打法有大leak需要改
进。
我参照的依据一直是我所尊敬的前辈fcf的《扑克玩家的成长》。以下是他文章中提到
的两句：
“在级别4里待了一阵子大概可以成为50nl-100nl的赢家，一般是2-5ptbb/100 的赢家
。”
“这个级别（NL400～NL600）的最好的赢家也只有~5ptbb/100的赢率(6max,HU 可以到
10ptbb+/100). ”
HU的话到20bb/100是可以理解的，因为HU的高手可以不停的exploit对手，给对手施加
压力，让对手崩溃之类的。6max应该会更加接近fr，所以20bb/100应该很难，估计好的
赢家的长期胜率也就10bb/100出头。参考PTR上面今年best winner的数据，包括HU在内
，超过8万手的最高胜率也就16bb/100。考虑到PTR上面的win rate是算抽水之前的数据
，真实的win rate大概只有上面的一半到四分之三（取决于limit和网站）。所以fcf对
于fr和... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 9 它另外还有一个小pokerroom，是给赌球的玩的，里面有NL200， NL400 各3台。还
有几台NL50，NL25。
这个小pokerroom被赌场称作养鱼塘。那个大的叫鲨鱼塘。
我玩了一会，给BB了不少。有一个傻鱼ganshot straight draw call我turn allin，
river hit把我清了。气的我把钱都转去sport betting. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 10 它另外还有一个小pokerroom，是给赌球的玩的，里面有NL200， NL400 各3台。还
有几台NL50，NL25。
这个小pokerroom被赌场称作养鱼塘。那个大的叫鲨鱼塘。
我玩了一会，给BB了不少。有一个傻鱼ganshot straight draw call我turn allin，
river hit把我清了。气的我把钱都转去sport betting. |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 11 很多人讨论过西安小周的线上水平到底如何。根据PokerNews的消息，来自亚洲的线上
高额玩家真实身份揭晓。该网站称“澳门高额玩家 Paul Phua就是MalACEsia，而Chun
Lei Zhou 就是samrostan，之前的ID是patpatpanda。“
根据扑克新闻的说法，patpatpanda 这个账号输掉了260万美元。也就是说“周输掉了
至少880万美元。”在线上亏损榜上两个账号分别排在第4位和第12位。尽管常年水下，
他似乎没有在意。“没问题。以前我只打无限德州扑克，有时没人和我打。所以我学了
其他游戏，输掉了不少钱。我喜欢打扑克。”
我们来看看网友是怎么讨论的。
@scorpiozm：线上线下根本是两种游戏。
@Nick_魏：什么水平完全不重要啊，即使线上最高额的crusher说不定这辈子和他坐在
一桌的资格都没有。
@自由于风：PS线上NL200水平其实和最高额差不了多少，差别可能就是资金实力，和人
的性格了。战胜NL200的人，你给他足够的资金，冒险的性格，他就可以站在最高额的
桌上。
@扑克圈那点事儿：NL400以上的reg或者Pro ，按技术来说很多人都... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 12 只要在经济能力的承受范围之内，多大都不算大。看你$1600的pot都能打得面不改色心
不跳，可见没什么问题。
对我来说，$800的pot就已经非常大了，所以我短时间内不太可能去玩NL400 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 13 Nothing wrong with both plays, standard call and instant raise. Regs do not
often raise with TP+ in this situation at NL400. That's why villain
interprets scripps' raise as air or draw. This is actually a leveling war,
and in this hand, scripps is one-level higher than villain.
Villain's only mistake is 4-bet size way too small. Nobody would fold to
this size with 200bb IP. |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 14 NL400 6-handed
Preflop:
UTG+1 (Hero, $499) with Jc 8c opens to $12
BTN (wild fish, $616) 3bet to $36
Hero calls
Flop:
7h 5s 2c
Hero checks
fish bets $58.5
Hero calls
Turn:
Qc
Hero checks
fish bets pot $195
Hero shove $405
fish folds |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 15 NL400 6-handed
Preflop:
CO (Hero, $825) with Tc 9c opens to $8
BTN calls
SB (wild fish, $379) 3bet to $32
Hero calls
BTN calls
Flop:
As 9s 6h
fish checks
Hero checks
BTN checks
Turn:
Ts
fish bets $100
Hero calls
BTN folds
River:
7c
fish ALL IN $247
Hero calls
fish shows Ks 3h |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 16 NL400 6-handed
Preflop:
CO (Hero, $926) with Ad 7d opens to $12
SB (wild fish, $520) 3bet to $32
Hero calls
Flop:
Ts 7h 4d
fish bets $68
Hero calls
Turn:
6d
fish over shove $420
Hero calls
Fish shows Ah Jd
River:
Ac |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 17 1. Learn how to quit. It is not easy because in a downswing, you always try
to get back to the game and "try to get your money back", and online poker
makes it so easy for you to get back in the game, in the end it just make it
easier for you to donate money to others
2. Withdraw most of your winning out and only leave a couple of buy-in in
your account. When I played in Lock, I never leave more than 12 full buy-in
in my poker account. When I hit 12 full buy-in, I just cash out and only
leave 2 ... 阅读全帖 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 18 还是edge的关系。30万手那个edge应该小到忽略。现在感觉live比online好赚钱就是因
为同样level, live简单多了。不能拿onine nl200和live nl200比，按水平可能nl10或
者nl25。板上打nl400或以上的对应live应该在nl2000以上，live在这些level混的也不
容易，不挣钱和破产很常见吧。 |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 19 HI,
So nice to see this new sector here.
So happy to see more and more people like this game now.
3 years ago, when I first touched this game I never imagin how deeply I will
love it
and how much money I can make from it.
my record ,
3 year( 1year full time)
net profit 80K$ around( every $ is recorded by myself in my record file
created 3 year ago)
1 day net won 4500$( partypoker NL400( 2 tables)
1 day net won live game( commerce )
1 month net won 10K $(5 month, because some months I lost, so to |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 20 1.currently I am part-time( daytime job to keep my H1 status(:
2.I focused on cash game (NL200 live game,NL400 or NL600
in ultimet bet)
3.partypoker is closed in USA
I recommend fulltitlt UB or pokerstar
there are always people cheating , I tried before,not worth it, so I think
you don't need to care ( it is very safe for your money if you play in big
site, never try small site, and I don't think people can hack the site that
easily.
4.for beginner
Ken Warren Teaches Texas Hold'em (Pape |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 21 pocket KK
one loose guy bet 16$, one guy called I reraise to 68$ he called.
flop 998 he check, I bet 150$, he still call.
turn is A, obviously I don't put him on AK or AQ, so I all in the left 150$
he called.
Guess what he had! |
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l********r
发帖数: 868 | 23 His flop behavior is strange. He check-called, not check-raised. He could
have:
1. pocket 9's. absolutely nuts and he can wait for your turn bet.
2. pocket 8's, similar to #1.
3. overpair such as pocket Qs or As.
I can't put him on anything else. Even a loose player shouldn't call your
big bets with just an overpair in his hand unless it's at least pocket Qs.
This is cash game, so even pocket Qs or As is too weak and should be folded.
I would like to put him on pocket Qs :) |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 24 9 10 suited!!
called me reraise 68$ bf flop!
But of course, he lost 1000+ totally after he won that pot. |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 25 9 10 suited!!
called me reraise 68$ bf flop!
But of course, he lost 1000+ totally after he won that pot. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 26 well, last sunday i got 2 stupid lucky hands (1/2NL, lower stake than yours
of course).
first i got big problems with suited cards that i have to admit.
first winning hand that day, 3h7h, a lot of actions pre-flop, 7 players all
called a $15 bet. flop KhTh3s, turn 2c, river 7c. stupid me got lucky, beat
the last 2 players (JJ, QQ) with $200 pot.
second hand, i was big blind with 2d6d, button with KK. he bet $20, i called
flop 2s4d6c, he pushed another $20, i called again. on the turn (5s), i
che |
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l********r
发帖数: 868 | 28 For the "I-have-to-bet" part, do you mean "I-have-to-call" your all-in?
He doesn't have to call your all-in actually. The pot is about 170 and he
has 70 left. The board is coordinated and has a staright possibility. It's
kind of dangerous.
But what I don't understand is the preflop actions in your two hands. The
raises are $15 or $20, very large compared to the blinds. How could so many
people called so loosely? Maybe you guys are thinking in terms of absolute $
amount rather than the multiple o |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 29 sorry, it's "I-have-to-call". yeah, i agree, both were not even ok hands at
all, that's why i said stupid lucky. he's the type of players who can't let go
big pairs, and he didn't put me on a straight at all with that flop.
hehe, if i have to find an "excuse" to justify my actions:
1) the first one was because i still got obsessed with my previous hand (it'
s a bad thing i know) which i was beaten even with flush/stragiht draws on
the flop. i was low stake after it (i only brought $100 onto the |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 30 But seems, you made a bad call before the flop.
Longterm you will lose by your"stupid luck" for sure. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 31 true, that's why i said "i got big problems with suited cards" (it's a
personal phycological shortcoming) which is risky in the long term.
so far i only have played 4 times (2hr + 4 + 2 + 6) 1/2NL in BM casinos, up
3 times with $1200 total, lost once for $38. for a beginner like me, it's a
good starting record but can't count on it.
each time i only bring $100 to the table, and may add another $100-200 in
the middle, but never over it.
whenever i get over $200, i'll immediately cash out to keep |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 32 in another sense, actually he's more "predictable" to me (what he may have
and why he bets like so and so), but he has less info. from me.
of course, if i keep playing like this loose or stay on the same table for
too long, he'll find out easily. that's why i only play about 20% crappy
hands like this now and then, and for most time, i have to see at least 2
useful cards on the flop to move forward. for ~$20 pre-flop, it's fine to me
unless somebody raises even more to break my phyco limit.
man |
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l********r
发帖数: 868 | 33 suited is good, but better be connected or with one big card.
up
a
control
't |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 34 it is a good strategy for beginner.
how can you decide when to play
'20% crappy
hands like this now and then'? |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 36 just after I lost my tourment I played on pokerstar.
NL400(2/4)
I was on botton called 12$( raised by a loose guy).
flop is 6s 10d 4h ( no flush draw).
he bet 30$, I called( I got bely buster draw),
turn was 5d I got the nut!
to my surprise , he bet 125$ for that 80$ pot!!
What should I do here, call? raise? how much if I raised( he may get nothing
or overpair or set) |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 37 I got KQsuited on the botton( NL400$)
a very loose aggressive guy( I saw him call all in 400$ by top pair, and
very aggressive) bet 16$ before me, I called .
flop Q35 two spade, he bet 24$, I call 24$, turn is nothing , he bet 64$ I
called 64$.
river is not spade. he bet 181$ for a 200$ pot.
How to explain this, what do you think, this unnormal over bet means either
bluffing or value bet. Should I call? with my top pair K kicker( I am pretyy
sure he didn't have AA, or KK,QA ) |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 38 A hand in NL400 FTP.
pocket 5 in big blind.
one limper , button bet 14$, I called 14$ on big blind, the limper called
too.
flop K45 no flush draw, I checked, limper( this is a very loose guy )
checked.
botton bet 25$, I called, limper called, turn is 7, still no flush draw, I
checked , limper checked too, botton bet 55$, i checked raise to 165$,
limper called!
botton fold.
river is 8!
so K4578 there. I checked, limper all in 220$ for the almost 500$ there.
tough decision....... |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 39 one hand slow play AQ bf flop heads up with a very loose guy .
NL400( 2/4)
AQ on sb, limped in, he checked on BB
flop Qh4c7c two club.
I checked , he bet 8$ for the 8$ pot, I checked raise to 28$, he called.
turn is 3d, I checked, he checked,river is 8 s,
I value bet 44$ , he all in ( only 230$ around)
Really touch, I know he might hit straight on the turn or maybe two pairs on
the river. but his betting really like he is bluffing( he read I have only
one pair since I show my weakness on turn)
t |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 40 i heard that nl200 is the same as nl100, nl400 is a big jump. |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 41 NL400( full tilt)
blind 2/4( 6 max)
44 called 10$ on big blind, flop 2 4 J , I check to him, he check, turn is 8
I check again, he bet 28$ , I raised to 104$, he called, river is 6( no
flush ) ,
what should I do, all in or just bet a little or just check? |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 42 NL400( ftp 2/4)
AA on big blind, one guy bet 14$ , a very loose guy raised to 48$ on the
botton, I reraised to 100$ . he think for a while and called.
Flop Js3s9h, I bet 100, he all in 300$ instantly!, what can I do? |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 43 来自主题: _TexasHoldem版 - -3000 hehe,I like NL much better. If I go back to limit now I would be bored to
death, or more likely, act like a donkey. Swing-wise, I don't know, it's
definitely much bigger swing if you count it by BB, but for the same kind of
bankroll, no-limit player also has much smaller BB than limit player. I've
had 300BB downswing in limit before, boy it felt much worse actually.
I'll move down to NL200 for a while, actually the loss is not as brutal as
it sounds. I'm still life-time winner on nl400, but I di |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 44 来自主题: _TexasHoldem版 - -3000 you need to watch cardrunner videos alot before you move to NL400. |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 45 ca
im at about 10bb/100 for nl200 and 0bb/100 for nl400 now... |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 46 Last month I played 180 hours and 20000 hand NL200, 3bb/100 hand, also won
some tourments.
This month up to NL400, lost 1.5 buy in until now. |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 47 only 20000? how many tables ah?
i play 1000 hands per day
im at nl400 too, doing ok i guess. |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 48 People played so fancy and 3 bets full bets a lot bf flop, A high may call
you 3 streets to the river. |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 49 i lost 7 coin toss in a row and am heading back nl200 for a while, hehe. |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 50 I am even after 10 days' struggle, very tough. but I think there are
big potential there( I made 5000$ mistake and got 1200$ bad beat) |
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