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L*****k
发帖数: 13042 | 2 发信人: jwalk (jwalk), 信区: HiFi
标 题: WEEK １：群众喜闻乐见的MOZART小提琴奏鸣曲的版本比较
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jan 3 13:04:41 2012, 美东)
MOZART小提琴奏鸣曲是我经常放给我女儿听的录音之一。曲调优美，最重要是简单而且
有MOZART的东西里最具代表性的天真快乐。非常适合小孩子听。
MOZART小提琴奏鸣曲的版本巨多。几乎有录音以来所有的小提琴家都会录上一套
。我一套黑胶和两套CD。
那套黑胶和一套CD其实是一个录音，都是谢森（HENRYK SZERYNG）和INGRID HAEBLER在
７０年代（？）PHILIPS的录音。SZERYNG的录音我基本上见到一套就买一套，他的
EXECUTION非常干净，尽量保持原汁原味，非常对老衲的胃口。HAEBLER的钢琴是温柔的
一派，很低调更好体现了小提琴的魅力。对于这个版本，基本没有任何不满意的地方。
每次听都会心情好。
录音是PHILIPS，和所有那个时代的PHILIPS室内乐的录音一样，自然清晰，有血有肉。
无可挑剔。
音质上当然是黑胶的更好！可是７... 阅读全帖 |
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j***k
发帖数: 2719 | 3 MOZART小提琴奏鸣曲是我经常放给我女儿听的录音之一。曲调优美，最重要是简单而且
有MOZART的东西里最具代表性的天真快乐。非常适合小孩子听。
MOZART小提琴奏鸣曲的版本巨多。几乎有录音以来所有的小提琴家都会录上一套
。我一套黑胶和两套CD。
那套黑胶和一套CD其实是一个录音，都是谢森（HENRYK SZERYNG）和INGRID HAEBLER在
７０年代（？）PHILIPS的录音。SZERYNG的录音我基本上见到一套就买一套，他的
EXECUTION非常干净，尽量保持原汁原味，非常对老衲的胃口。HAEBLER的钢琴是温柔的
一派，很低调更好体现了小提琴的魅力。对于这个版本，基本没有任何不满意的地方。
每次听都会心情好。
录音是PHILIPS，和所有那个时代的PHILIPS室内乐的录音一样，自然清晰，有血有肉。
无可挑剔。
音质上当然是黑胶的更好！可是７０年代的老东西了，基本就是过年过节才舍得拿出来
听一次，其他时候就听硬盘刻录的CD版本了。好在，这个CD虽然是PHILIPS的廉价版本
，但质量也不错。重新混音和转换的时候，好像没有听出加了任何人工味精，很难得。
一共两盘小双... 阅读全帖 |
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g********n
发帖数: 38 | 4 由于年底要离开匹兹堡，转租 Mozart 位于 Squirrel Hill 的房子 （Wendover 公寓
）。5562 Hobart Street
房型非常好，朝东和朝南，高屋顶，窗大敞亮，通风好，非常安静，窗外也无遮挡。是
我们在匹兹堡住了几个公寓最满意的一个。父母在此住了快半年，很喜欢这里。房型如
下：
http://www.mozartrents.com/ApartmentTypeDisplay.cfm?ApartmentTy
公寓在Schenley Park公园入口附近，景色优美， 步行去CMU 25分钟左右, 去匹大
Hillman Library 35分钟。开车穿过公园快的话5分钟即到匹大。公寓旁是个学校，步
行两三分钟有个游乐场(Davis playground)，在那儿能认识许多中国父母和孩子，还有
网球篮球等设施。总之，是个宁静安全的社区。
我们的合约到今年7月底，但是我们年底就要走。所以转租从明年1月1日开始，可以提
前两天入住。每月租金 $1，145,交给 Mozart, 包暖，自己仅付电费即可。我们还有个
车位，车位费另附给Mozart, 明年8月开始如想续... 阅读全帖 |
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g********n
发帖数: 38 | 5 由于年底要离开匹兹堡，转租 Mozart 位于 Squirrel Hill 的房子 （Wendover 公寓
）。5562 Hobart Street
房型非常好，朝东和朝南，高屋顶，窗大敞亮，通风好，非常安静，窗外也无遮挡。是
我们在匹兹堡住了几个公寓最满意的一个。父母在此住了快半年，很喜欢这里。房型如
下：
http://www.mozartrents.com/ApartmentTypeDisplay.cfm?ApartmentTy
公寓在Schenley Park公园入口附近，景色优美， 步行去CMU 25分钟左右, 去匹大
Hillman Library 35分钟。开车穿过公园快的话5分钟即到匹大。公寓旁是个学校，步
行两三分钟有个游乐场(Davis playground)，在那儿能认识许多中国父母和孩子，还有
网球篮球等设施。总之，是个宁静安全的社区。
我们的合约到今年7月底，但是我们年底就要走。所以转租从明年1月1日开始，可以提
前两天入住。每月租金 $1，145,交给 Mozart, 包暖，自己仅付电费即可。我们还有个
车位，车位费另附给Mozart, 明年8月开始如想续... 阅读全帖 |
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w*******n
发帖数: 4188 | 6 First of all, I have to admit I am not a Mozart expert, still a freshman. It
has been just one year since I came to fall in crazy love with Mozart piano
works.
In fact, I have collected quite a few CDs of Mozart music before, such as his
symphonies and operas by Bohm, violin concertos by Pearlman and Zukemann, his
horn,clarient cocertos, and some other pieces by Marriner. I do not have such
a particularly strong interest in Mozart as I have developed for Bach, Bramhs
and Chpin.
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发帖数: 2 | 7 A beloved Bay Area institution, the Midsummer Mozart Festival was founded in
1975 by George Cleve and a regional consortium of classical musicians,
who recognized him as one of the world's great interpreters of the music of
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.
Thirty-two years later, the Festival is the only music festival in North
America dedicated exclusively to Mozart. Under the baton of Maestro Cleve,
the Festival presents a critically-acclaimed summer concert season featuring
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w*******n
发帖数: 4188 | 8 In my mind, playing Mozart should be like Audrey Hepburn in Roman Holiday:
beautiful, classy, yet easy-going, lovely, natural and warm.
In my eyes there are two types of bad Mozart playing: First, too reserved,
insenstive and mechanical, really boring. Their sound quality can be great and
crystal clear. Indeed, they are very pure in some sense, but too much, Mozart
in my mind is a lively spring, always flowing, not some dead spring water in
my cup. A case in point could be Brendel.
Another bad t |
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u*****u
发帖数: 2651 | 9 电影《From Mao to Mozart》和来自上海的绅士
电影《From Mao to Mozart》是1979年小提琴大师Isaac Stern 访华的记录片，当时文
革刚刚结束，西方人来华比较少，此片让西方观众看到了久违的中国风光和文艺娱乐，
看到了中国政治和百姓生活，于1980年获得奥斯卡奖。
俺在国内没听说过这部片子，前几天才看到，如时光倒流30年，当时北京没多少高楼，
大街上是乌泱乌泱的自行车，人们穿一身蓝或是白衬衫。电影镜头像外国人的眼睛，看
体操队集训，看京剧排练，看京胡，看口技，看每一样都透着新奇。
电影里自然少不了Stern的音乐，Stern穿红衬衫，太阳镜高高架在头顶上，热情洋溢，
无拘无束，给同学们一一纠正错误，一边讲解一边拉琴演示，眼睛直视对方，生怕对方
不能理解，同学理解了以后，Stern高兴地称赞。后来听上海音乐学院优秀学生演出，
听得目瞪口呆，连连叫好。
从片名的角度去看，电影的重心好像是另一个中国老人，他与Stern相比如东西两极。
他用一个东方人淡淡的口吻， 平静地用英语讲述着自己的故事。年过七十，
想不到他的英文还这么好，他说，我是谭抒真，190... 阅读全帖 |
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G********d
发帖数: 10250 | 11 我很早以前喜欢听他的bach小无和mozart 他和haskil合作的那张很老的
后来就不喜欢了
他的frank不错
grumiaux的东西我也很粉。他和SZERYNG同是一个时代，同是在PHILIPS多年，硕果磊磊
。他的MOZART小提琴奏鸣曲我有听过片段，但印象不深。能否评价一下？ |
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m********n
发帖数: 1602 | 13 【 以下文字转载自 Ski 讨论区 】
发信人: msuspartan (Spartan), 信区: Ski
标 题: 雪山飞兔 之六： Dance with Mozart
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Mar 13 18:47:57 2011, 美东)
Shian, Fly, and Spartan at Keystone.
March 11, 2011.
Music is a sonate by Mozart. |
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I***i
发帖数: 14557 | 14 According to Google, the one at the address you just mentioned is called
Mozart Bakers. This one is very close to Great Wall.
According to Google, there is another one called Cafe Mozart Bakery located
at
1630 Pleasant Hill Rd # B8, Duluth, GA
This one is just a little further away on the other side of I-85. |
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p******e
发帖数: 247 | 15 lease上规要买。deadline之后还不买，需要一次性缴清合同期所有剩余房租。如果不
缴他们会采取相应措施，但没说明是什么措施。应该不至于把租户轰出去我猜。
mozart有一个固定的保险代理，回头mozart会告诉你怎么联系。通过email就能买。
120刀，从购买日起生效，有效期一年。所以如果要买的话，就早买。。。 |
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a*****a
发帖数: 112 | 16 It is a great pity that you overlooked one of the greatest
interpretation of Mozart's piano sonatas, namely that by
Walter Gieseking. EMI has on catalog one 8-CD album of
Gieseking playing complete solo piano works of Mozart. If
you don't mind mono recording, I think this is the best one.
Although a famous Mozartian as she is, Haebler seems to have
left no recording not having been surpassed. Uchida's
version is quite reliable (and good in recording quality),
if not very instructive. And compare |
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r*****g
发帖数: 123 | 17
The following is drawn from conversations between the pianist Alfred
Brendel and the Swiss writer Martin Meyer, to be published in October
Martin Meyer : You see Mozart to a considerable extent as a composer of
form. Could it not be that Mozart's strict sense of form is obscured for the
public at large by his wonderful melodies, his so-called "sweetness"?
Alfred Brendel: There is perfection of form, yes, but there is also the
sensual beauty of the "cantabile" composer, the beaut |
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f******k
发帖数: 297 | 18 as Charles Rosen put it in his seminal "Classical Style",
the opera is one of the failure trials of opera seria, even
though the opera is by no means short of Mozart's beautiful
tunes and exquisite style. I have not listened to this
opera myself, honestly, but given the experience of listening
to other opera seria masterpieces, the inferiority is the
dramatic side in terms of music.
greatest operas by Mozart surely are those comic operas. btw,
I also live around DC. if there are chances, we can |
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w*******n
发帖数: 4188 | 19 I am always a big and loyal fan of Glenn Gould, and I've collected all his
Bach playing. I think the recent release of Glenn Gould Anniversary Edition is
much better than before, really nice and special package, and cheaper with
more materials. ( For example, now French suite is just one CD, rather than
two in the past.)
I got his playing of Mozart, definitely Gould style, you will never mistake it
for anyone else. Although I am afraid his rendition of Mozart may go far away
from the composer's |
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e******e
发帖数: 458 | 20 叫Mozart: Eine Kleine Nachtmusik - Serenades & Concertos
在ebay上发现的， 里面有Mozart的525，还是Bohm指挥的维也纳爱乐。才3元。
在Amazon上也很便宜。
不过DG的这个系列没有听说过，是MUSIKFEST。肯定是廉价，里面的内页非常的简陋。
不过这么便宜，挺不错的。 |
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a***d
发帖数: 2374 | 21
赫赫，偶然看到我前些时候写的一篇周记：
上周复习完F.Seitz的第二协奏曲后, Sena又翻出一页新的曲目, Mozart的D大调回旋曲
(Rondo in D). 才开始, 就被第二行的乐谱符号给吓晕了. 倒不是因为难于演奏, 而是
几乎一半的音符上都标着变音.
嘟噜着对Sena说, 不知道Mozart的脑袋是怎么长的, 怎么就能够想象到那么多如此微妙
的变音. 虽然音阶调性变化都是有规律可循的, 可是如果没有足够的熟悉, 真的很难在
短时间内反应过来. 要处理的信息量太多. 7个调性, 加上变音, 光这些就要占用几百
个记忆单元了. 而且, 据说他的很多乐谱, 从整体到细节, 都是在脑袋里浮现为完稿,
他只是需要把它们给写出来, 不带任何修改的痕迹, 还可以边聊天边写....这需要多强
的工作记忆啊! 大约, 他的脑袋里全是音乐细胞, 以至于每时每刻, 细胞们都在他的脑
海里跳舞而不被干扰...
能拥有这样一种能力, 真是件幸福的事. 在心爱的理想世界里自由地飞翔, 真实的生命
短暂, 又有什么关系呢? |
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b**y
发帖数: 1970 | 22 悲苦之辞易就，欢乐之辞难工……所以我一直认为，“乐而不淫，哀而不伤”反而是难
的……
但我不觉得Mozart天性乐观……从直觉出发，我觉得他的音乐一听就苍白病弱，感到这
个人身体不是很好……但我不是因为知道他身体不好瞎说的……比如Rackmaninoff，我
记忆中他身体也不好，但我觉得比Mozart的有力气。 |
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G*******s
发帖数: 10605 | 23 【 以下文字转载自 SmartShopper 俱乐部 】
发信人: GoRockets (火箭加油), 信区: SmartShopper
标 题: 99 Most Essential Mozart Masterpieces PC Downloads for 99 cents
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 28 20:13:23 2011, 美东)
Today only, the Amazon MP3 Store offers downloads of the 99 Most Essential
Mozart Masterpieces: Full Works Edition MP3 Album for 99 cents. That's the
lowest price we could find for this 99-track, DRM-free classical album,
released today. (iTunes charges $11.99 for an alternate version.) Amazon MP3
Downloader is re... 阅读全帖 |
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j***k
发帖数: 2719 | 25 grumiaux的东西我也很粉。他和SZERYNG同是一个时代，同是在PHILIPS多年，硕果磊磊
。他的MOZART小提琴奏鸣曲我有听过片段，但印象不深。能否评价一下？ |
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G********d
发帖数: 10250 | 29 没听过richter/kagan
但是mozart小提琴奏鸣曲中钢琴很重要 甚至比小提琴更重要 钢琴不是配角 |
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q****2
发帖数: 667 | 31 今天又被小女儿的嘴巴打败了。听完音乐会，我对小女儿说，你好好弹琴吧，音乐让人
高兴，让人长寿。小女儿说，妈妈，Mozart 35 岁就死了，music 没让人long life啊。 |
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a*********u
发帖数: 16 | 33 周末宝宝要过生日了，听说Mozart的蛋糕做得不错，也不太甜，可是不知道地址，有没
有哪位高手帮忙一下，或者推荐好吃的蛋糕店。 |
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I***i
发帖数: 14557 | 34 好像大中华附近就有一家mozart，在pleasant hill的另一边。 |
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a*********u
发帖数: 16 | 35 谢谢，我是听说大中华附近有一家，可是怕自己找不到，古果了一下就更迷糊了。
不知道是不是这家
Cafe Mozart
2131 Pleasant Hill Rd
Duluth, GA 30096
(770) 232-1111 |
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b********e
发帖数: 1796 | 36 大中华出门右手边远处有几家小的店面，就有mozart。在一个plaza里面，很容易找到
的。 |
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I***i
发帖数: 14557 | 37 This one is close to Great Wall. According to Google, the one at this address is called Mozart Bakers
2131 Pleasant Hill Road, Duluth, GA |
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a*******9
发帖数: 4525 | 39 这房子很新，之前去看过。但还是有点远。价格和房子质量来说算不错了。而且mozart
的管理也很好。 |
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h*****n
发帖数: 15 | 40 租的昰mozart的房子
第一年付了租屋保險，第二年繼續助莫札特也沒說要再買保險
但保險公司一直寄來第二年帳單，過期沒繳還加十塊
可不可以不理他，不要買哩? |
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m********n
发帖数: 1602 | 41 Shian, Fly, and Spartan at Keystone.
March 11, 2011.
Music is a sonate by Mozart. |
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w*******n
发帖数: 4188 | 42 Recently I got one piece from Haebler's collection of
Mozart's piano sonata.
That is really wonderful.I have only heard several pieces
from the whole collection
by Lipatti,Kempff, Haskil,Uchida.It is said the whole set of
Uchida is also great.
I am not sure which set I should buy.Asking for suggestion. |
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w*******n
发帖数: 4188 | 43 Last week, when I was looking around in a Tower Record store in the center
city, the sales clerk stopped me and recommended Platnev's Haydn and
Mozart(Virgin Classics, 4 CDS), which was only 18 dollars. I have bought many
classical CDS there, so this guy became a friend of mine. He is quite
knowledgable, and an amateur pianist. Everytime I meet him, we always talk a
lot about piano and pianists.
First, for this set, the package is quite special and beautiful. Actually it
is a paper box, there |
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w*******n
发帖数: 4188 | 44 Hi, guys, we have got lots of warm up discussion of Horowitz's playing Mozart,
why not keep moving on.
For those arguments of too abstract, seemly too general issues of classical
music, let us just forget about them. In my view, they are just " tyranny of
words". Everyone gets different background, idea, and taste. Empty talks about
some too broad issues, and keeping a closed mind can not produce any postive
results.
We are here to communicate, connect with music. So why not try to find some
mor |
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w*******n
发帖数: 4188 | 45 Now please allow me to talk briefly about my feeling of some other players I
know.
Haebler and Uchida are fine. Haebler's sound is really great, very crispy,
tempo is not that good, but still OK. I just got one piece of Uchida, not
good, not bad either, plus I heard so many bad things about her playing, I
give her up. I do think, Haebler is at least slightly better than Uchida.
I got a complete Gieseking playing Mozart solo works, not just sonatas, 8 CDS
from EMI. Because I have bought his compl |
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w*******n
发帖数: 4188 | 46 Another unforgetable player of Mozart is Lipatti, although he almost has
nothing left, only No.8 Sonata. But that piece is the best one I've ever heard
about No.8. For me, it seems everything touched by the fingers of Lipatti
becomes gold, legend. For a pianist, what really counts is not how many
concerts you have given, or how many CDs you have produced, it is how deep
your music can penetrate people's hearts.
I have a Horowitz playing Piano concerto No.23 DVD, it is quite good. Another
one is |
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K********y
发帖数: 325 | 47 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
CtoC (CtoC) 于 (Fri Jan 27 14:10:35 2006) 提到:
听了不少Mozart的音乐了，有一些感觉，但心灵上从来未接受他的音乐。 还有Bach的
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wings (the Lord of the Wings (wing^T^gniw)) 于 (Sat Jan 28 01:48:09 2006) 提到:
再多听一些可能会有用.
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economist (千只针) 于 (Sat Jan 28 19:06:39 2006) 提到:
你这么一说倒提醒我了，还真是这样。在看电影《莫扎特》之前我虽然也觉得莫扎特的音
乐动听，不过听多了觉得太甜，但这部电影里的音乐激动澎湃，让我看到了他的另一面。
电影开篇第一首就是don giovanni里面的（如果我没弄错的话）。
我还发现了他的另一支K360，真是忧郁凄美 |
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w***s
发帖数: 4394 | 48 开始看到“Write like Mozart”就觉得有点不靠谱，进去一看“This course aims to
give students a set of approaches for composition in the style of Classical
and Romantic era European art music.”如不不准备穿越回古代的，没有必要学写
“Classical and Romantic era European art music”。即使是Classicial领域，也
已经发展到了21世纪。 |
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L*****k
发帖数: 13042 | 49 【 以下文字转载自 HiFi 讨论区 】
发信人: jwalk (jwalk), 信区: HiFi
标 题: Re: WEEK １：群众喜闻乐见的MOZART小提琴奏鸣曲的版本比较
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jan 3 13:07:33 2012, 美东)
SZERYNG 版
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Mutter 版 |
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发帖数: 3968 | 50 偶总是把MOZART和KEATS联系起来
一样的绝世才华却英年早逝，都是绝美到了让人觉得不应存在于这个世界上的地步
都是历尽苦痛却仍然是沉静安详如天国之光照耀的淡淡的纯净的欢乐 |
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