s****7 发帖数: 2507 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Travel 讨论区 】
发信人: ss9937 (SS), 信区: Travel
标 题: metolius river
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Sep 14 23:16:47 2010, 美东)
near wizard falls. in oregon |
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T*********e 发帖数: 39815 | 2 C4和range finder比各有千秋, C4价格也不贵
这个C3价格贵太多了, 如果没有明显优势, 这个范围我肯定买metolius了 |
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z*******y 发帖数: 126 | 3 回国搞first ascent
5,6都要带去的。只准备带24个塞子回去,每个尺寸3个。 多出来的想转出去
。
tranggo 4CU (和metolius一样的尺码系统)
#3
#4 相当于bd#0.5
#7 相当于bd的#2
#8 相当bd的#3
Clog Wales
#4 比metolius#6稍大,比bd #1稍大
上面都20一个吧
metolius
ultralight power cam #0 全新带标签 $35
mastercam #4 全新带标签 $35
以上从小到大都不重复,按大小排列为
metolius #0
tranggo #3
tranggo #4
metolius #4
clog wales #4
tranggo #7
tranggo #8
冰爪是grivel rambo,立齿几乎全新,$60 (过2周再确认是否转,还不知道箱子有多
大空间) |
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s****7 发帖数: 2507 | 4 roseburg -> crater lake 中间有好几个water falls: toketee, clearwater,Watson
Falls etc
crater lake -> bend
bend 可以去newberry valcano NM (lava butte, paulina falls, big obsidianflow)
-> cascade lake high way 最漂亮的湖是devil's lake 和sparks lake.可以看到mt
bachelors, brokwn tops, 3 sisters etc
from sisters 走McKenzie pass 转一圈可以去看mt washington, mt jefferson, proxy falls, head of metolius, metolius river, wizard falls fish hatchery.
还可以走sisters 里的trail去看山上的湖.
向北可以去smith rock |
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T*********e 发帖数: 39815 | 5 最基本的肯定是一套stopper, BD,metolius,wild country的都没问题,买便宜的就
行了。 如果将来考虑买第二套的时候,可以买DMM的
CAMP的一套4个tri-cam (0.5-2号),这个是独一无二的,CAMP的专利
Hex,推荐Metolius的curve hex,比BD的好用太多了 |
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T*********e 发帖数: 39815 | 7 My recommedation for pros on beginner's rack:
1. a set of stopper (BD 4-13 or whatever)
2. a set of 4 tri-cam (0.5-2)
3. a set of hex (BD 4-10, or Metolius)
4. 5 cam (BD 0.5, 0.75, 1-3, or Metolius)
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 8 Metolius master cams are very flexible and fit in shallow cracks and pin
scars very well. Refer to Chris Mac's reviews on supertopo. TCU and
ultralight have U stems and don't work quite as well. When I say small
pockets, I am talking about really small ones that tricams won't fit, like
those where you can only stick in your pinkie. That's why I said it's way
beyond my free climbing ability.
In general, I don't bring cams smaller than blue metolius on free climbs. I
only lead 5.7s and 5.8s anyway |
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E***y 发帖数: 336 | 9 第一个是Mammut Contact Sling 240cm 非常传统,没啥好说的。
第二个是Metolius Equalizer with Pocket。偏传统,就是少两根,简洁些。正在用。
第三个是Metolius Anchor Chain,这些环调节起来方便吗?容易平衡吗?
第四个就非常fancy,Trango Alpine Equalizer,看起来非常完美。
都是自平衡的,但感觉太fancy,组分太多,没用过,实际上怎么样? |
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s***r 发帖数: 358 | 12 我的手也很爱出汗,硬拉的时候常打滑。后来我买了下面这个,非常好使:
Metolius Eco Ball (Non-Marking Chalk Substitute, colors vary)
amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000212TGA
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g****c 发帖数: 346 | 13 厉害.
碰. 我一般是杆子一过膝盖就加快下降速度砸地上, 当然手不离杆, 不是那种free
fall. 我的感觉是如果你不砸的话, 慢慢放下去会给后腰很大的压力, 特别是重量大的
时候, 觉得没有必要, 因为你上拉和下放到膝盖的时候已经用到后腰了.
强烈建议不带手套. 我刚买了器材的时候, 很好奇我最大能拉多少. 于是上了205lb,
我手容易出汗, 根本抓不住. 我就去买了付手套. 带了手套稍微好一点, 但是抓的感觉
特别差, 因为隔了一层东西. 而且我手不大, 带了手套感觉更抓不紧了. 我就马上退了
. 然后买了下面这个:
http://www.amazon.com/Metolius-Non-Marking-Chalk-Substitute-col
其实就是chalk. 然后用mixed grip, 当时205lb拉了5个.
这个ecoball和拳头差不多大, 用起来非常干净, 用的时候就把手心手指在上面捏一捏
就行了. |
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h********r 发帖数: 3291 | 14 哇,这贴这么火,攀岩运动蓬勃发展。
个人认为,刚开始只要一个腰带,act, 和locking biner就可以了。头几次最好和有经
验的人一起,他们一般都有全套的biner, pro, 等。先蹭他们的。自己只需要prussik
,a few slings, 和Personal Anchor System(可用sling,推荐Metolius Personal
Anchor System http://www.metoliusclimbing.com/pas.htm )
等出去了几次,自己对需要什么,喜欢什么就会有更多认识,再买不迟。
对于unlocking biner或quickdraw,推荐wild country helium。超轻,和bd的
Neutrino差不多,感觉比Neutrino好。但也有人complain太轻了,手感不好。
另外,一般来说wired biner比solid的轻和牢。 |
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h********r 发帖数: 3291 | 15 哇,这贴这么火,攀岩运动蓬勃发展。
个人认为,刚开始只要一个腰带,act, 和locking biner就可以了。头几次最好和有经
验的人一起,他们一般都有全套的biner, pro, 等。先蹭他们的。自己只需要prussik
,a few slings, 和Personal Anchor System(可用sling,推荐Metolius Personal
Anchor System http://www.metoliusclimbing.com/pas.htm )
等出去了几次,自己对需要什么,喜欢什么就会有更多认识,再买不迟。
对于unlocking biner或quickdraw,推荐wild country helium。超轻,和bd的
Neutrino差不多,感觉比Neutrino好。但也有人complain太轻了,手感不好。
另外,一般来说wired biner比solid的轻和牢。 |
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P***e 发帖数: 7 | 16 You need a fingerboard...
http://www.metoliusclimbing.com/howto-10min.htm
Begin and complete the task or tasks within the one minute intervals. Use
the remaining time to rest. Hang a watch from the bottom of the board or
mount a wall clock so that you can look straight at it while training.
Entry Level:
Minute TASK
1
15 second hang, Jug
2
1 pull-up, Rounded Slope
3
10 second hang, Medium Edge
4
15 second hang w/ 3 shrugs, Pocket
5
20 second hang w/ 2 pull-ups, Large Edge |
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 18 我用metolius,白菜用BD。没什么大区别。 |
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 19 metolius没有black list,还是不错的 |
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h****m 发帖数: 405 | 20 gearexpress有metolius set的deal, 15%off。 不知道算不算便宜。 |
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R******e 发帖数: 2254 | 21 personal preference, I do not think it is better than metolius, or worse
Actually, #0.5-3 give you a lot of options already, most time you do not
need #4 or bigger |
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T*********e 发帖数: 39815 | 23 为什么价钱贵了那么多?
谁做过这个research,来说说 |
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 24 没啥大区别。BD的拉起来稍微smooth一些。range finder feature在小的cam上也没什
么优势 |
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f********t 发帖数: 4574 | 25 Sports climbing,白手起家,是整个Metilous PAS还是Daisy Chain?看了一下PAS在
网上的review,很不错。 |
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 26 avoid daisy chain if you don't know how to use it correctly. I avoid it
anyway. You can also make a personal pro with a piece of perlon. |
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f********t 发帖数: 4574 | 28 Okay. 借bing cashback还想买一两件东西,有quick draw的deal通知一声 |
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 29 20% some items. not bad for gears you need to buy anyway. to name a few:
BD C4, C3
BD Neutrino 6pack
BD Oz
BD mini pear biner cosmetic second
BD rocklock screw lock/twist lock cosmetic second
Metolius Master Cam |
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f********t 发帖数: 4574 | 30 Metolius Equalizer Super Sling is on sale, $25-5=$20 |
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f********t 发帖数: 4574 | 31 嗯,我的攀登器材基本是BD了,除了几个Metolius特有的东西(PAS, Equilizer sling
等)。
最搞的是刚把New England Equinox绳子拿回家,还没来得及flake一下,接个电话忙工
作上的事忙到昨晚半夜十二点,赶上SAC搞了个Mammut Super Safe 10.2 rope。得赶紧
把New England Equinox腿了,幸好没开包 |
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w***y 发帖数: 1313 | 32 我还没有lead过,不知道以后会爬什么样的比较多
这次去red rocks跟爬觉得还缺小一点的pro
看到deal忍不住动心想屯点
METOLIUS Ultralight TCU Cam 或者 BD C3 micro-cam或者bd micro nuts?
nuts. |
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f********t 发帖数: 4574 | 33 说不定是climber干的,看看list,连power bar,chalk都一锅端了,一般的贼偷chalk
干嘛?估计这辈子不用买装备了
Alright, here's the list..... it's a doozy
Metolius
Supercam Small and Medium
Master Cams 00, 0, 6, 7
Master Cams Offsets 00-7
Ultralight TCUs 00-4
Power Cams 00-8
Astro Nuts x 2
Ultralight nuts 10x 2, 9, 8, 7, 5, 4, 3, 1
BRD x 4
Freenut x 3
Extractor x 4
Enviro Rap Hanger x 6
8 step Aider
4 step Aider x 2
5 step aider x 2
Gear slings x 2
Double D Gear slings x 2
Simulator
Grip saver plus
Big Wall Pants x 4
Big Wall Shorts x 4 |
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e*******9 发帖数: 193 | 34 指力板训练指南
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以下是Metolius攀岩好手多年来持续训练,发掘问题,寻求解答,所归纳出来的训
练课程。
首先我们必须强调,每一个攀岩者都有自己非常特殊复杂的的身体状况。为了达到
训练的成效,你的训练课程必须先对自己的强处与弱点做深入且完整的评估,同时考虑
个人攀岩的目标。希望以下的信息能帮助你建立一套适合自己的个人化训练课程。虽然
目前市面上有各种的训练书籍信息,但是必须要了解这些信息的提供对象是怎样的攀岩
者,而你自己的定位又如何,是能够全时从事攀岩与训练的专业攀岩者或是只希望能强
化体能与信心的周末攀岩者?
搜集各类的信息,听听专家的意见,花些时间来试验各种方法,然后进行对你最有
效的训练。唯有对自己的体能负责,对自己的训练课程持之以恒,才能达到训练的目标。
指力训练是改进攀岩能力的关键
随着室内岩场的增多与盛行,指力板已退居为第二线的训练工具。但是我们认为指
力训练板具有方便性与特定性的优点。在家中门廊安装 |
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 35 DMM和Metolius的stopper都比较难clean,不推荐带新手爬的时候用。BD的最容易clean |
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 36 爬alpine我还是prefer metolius多一点,轻一点。 |
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 37 http://www.supertopo.com/best/Climbing_Harness
In a nutshell:
For Men:
Best Sport Climbing and Gym Harness: Black Diamond Ozone or Arcteryx R320
Best Trad Climbing harness: Metolius Safe Tech All Around, Black Diamond
Chaos, Petzl Corax CAMP Quartz CR3
Best Alpine Harness: Petzl Adjama, Camp Air |
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 38 Just for fun :D
When printed, they are life size. It's interesting to see the overlapping
and range of different cams. I have input only DB, Metolius, and Trango
MaxCam coz these are what I own. |
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 39 我不是不信任6kN,我不认为我的climbing style & difficulty level能fall到6kN。
而是实际上crack的结构制约了能保护的最大力,而且cam多少会walk, 细的crack很难
place cam,特别是C4 (metolius master cam好一些),ball nut很amazing,在小的
crack里work的非常好,还有brassie。
上周末刚pop了一个0.3的BD cam,当然是我的问题,基本是个blind placement,怀疑
只engage了2个lobe
当然
是很
BD |
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 40 Aliens don't have any advantages over other cams unless you are talking
about hybrids which have recently been outperformed by metolius offset. TCUs
don't really work too well for shallow cracks due to their U stems. |
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 41 C3不如metolius master cam和alien好用, stem的profile太大太硬。 |
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T*********e 发帖数: 39815 | 42 还好吧,这种双杆的,能做到这个程度很不错了
我用过别人的几次C3,还挺喜欢
就是太贵了,舍不得自己买
metolius的master cam价格上就有优势,重量没比过,可能也轻一些 |
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 43 你下次可以试试我的metolius offset,很好用。价钱便宜$10。我在ebay上买了几个上
一代的BD, 0.1, 0.2, 0.3,前两个是现在的C4没有的号,我觉得挺好用,不知道为什
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 44 It depends on a few things:
1. free vs aid. I assume ou are doing free climbing
2. crack shape and rock quality.
TCUs/BD C3: a little wobbly in paralell cracks, compared to FCUs, but work
better in shallow cracks. I wouldn't trust C3 for a lead fall except a
perfect placement of the biggest one. The red, orange, and yellow Metolius
TCUs are good if placed properly. The blue one I am a little suspicious.
Offset/hybrid: work very well in pin scars. I heard there are a lot of pin
scars in Yosemite. |
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 45 blue and yellow metolius TCU/Master cam/Ultralight. Unless you are doing aid
climibng or 5.12 and up finger cracks, you don't need anything smaller than
these. |
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 46 I don't like C3s too much. Metolius is the way to go for small cams.
Stoppers don't work as well as cams in pockets. But pockets that small are
way beyond my free climbing ability.
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T*********e 发帖数: 39815 | 47 Any particular reason for that?
I used both C3s and Metolius from other guys last summer, I actually like C3
s more, their stems are flexible. C3s are more expensive though
For small pockets, tri-cams are the way to go. |
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T*********e 发帖数: 39815 | 48 will check our local climbing store to see if they have DMM dragon and give
it a try.
I like the thumb loop design of BD's new camalots and metolius master cam.
loop |
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