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来自主题: TVGame版 - RPG、AVG与超游戏
RPG、AVG与超游戏
我最早看到的对超游戏概念的讨论,是围绕着KidGames的Infinity系列游戏的。这个系列包括3部游戏,Never 7、Ever 17还有Remember 11。我个人对超游戏的理解是,在超游戏中,游戏的组成部分不仅仅是玩家控制的角色以及为了发动此类控制的思维活动,还包括玩家本身意识。
读过一些评论后我得知超游戏这个概念,其实已经存在了很长时间。事实上,最早的桌面RPG游戏,就是超游戏。众所周知,桌面RPG预先设定好的,只有世界的框架和游戏的规则,而不包含任何的角色设定或是故事情节(除了历史人物和事件以外)。这样一来,所有的桌面RPG玩家同时也是游戏的创作者,玩家运用自己对AD&D背景的了解以及——自己的人生观和世界观——来构筑整个游戏。譬如组成者全是女生,可能游戏过程中的血腥描述会少一些。在这种情况下,玩家本身的意识,成为了游戏的一部分——玩家不喜欢血腥,所以游戏不血腥。这种现象在RPG历史上叫做Metagaming,官方解释如下:
Metagaming is the use of out-of-character knowledge in an in-c
n*******y
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来自主题: NewJersey版 - 扑克玩家的成长 (转载)
【 以下文字转载自 TexasHoldem 讨论区 】
发信人: fcf (fcf), 信区: TexasHoldem
标 题: 扑克玩家的成长
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 7 10:58:11 2010, 美东)
转发一个我几个月以前写的东西
扑克玩家的成长
这是我对扑克玩家的成长一点心得,不一定都是对的,总是有特例的,但我想对大
多数人来说是差不多的。
级别1:
刚刚学会打牌的规则,没有任何技巧的概念,打牌基本是乱玩。
级别2:
看了一点资料,可能看了一本书,知道了pot odds, position, 知道了打牌要tight
aggressive, 不过其实并不懂为什么, 也不知道怎么样打才叫tight aggressive, 打
牌的技巧基本只知道preflop, flop, 如果问问题的话,一般只记得自己有什么牌,
flop上有什么牌,对每个人的动作只记得是bet/check/raise, 不在意下注的大小,
大家的位置,stack 大小,等等。这时候记得的牌多半是AA/KK 这种牌。
级别3:
玩了上万手牌了,输了一些,这是一个分界线,有些人输了就... 阅读全帖
f*****g
发帖数: 15860
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Pregame routine
nod, the right attitude and focus to play one's Ace game is the key.
poker is about 3 things:
1) who makes fewer mistakes or put it another way, who makes better
decisions consistently;
2) luck;
3) who has more experience in playing metagame.
losing a game is fine, but losing a game by big mistakes is bad, ever worse,
losing a game without serious review about what happened. ppl tend to make
routine mistakes, sometimes we got lucky and feel like "hey, i play it
perfectly" or "so what? my lucky d
h*******s
发帖数: 3932
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 2plus2 08年的一篇文章。。
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/poker-beats-brags-variance/destroyed-3-6-time-move-up-graph-286574/index8.html
Thanks for the many PMs about strategy. I can not answer everybody, so I
will try to at least discuss some of my approaches to the game in regards to
the other regulars, which some of you guys have been asking about. This
will be the first time that I have ever discussed or divulged strategy with
anybody else bar an occassional casual conversation with non poker playing
friends
Whe... 阅读全帖
T********n
发帖数: 528
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 我也初试LHE并兼向潭老师请教

hold
不客气不客气,我非常乐意给意见。不一定永远是对的。越多人讨论一般越容易从理论
上找出答案。poker好玩的地方就是合逻辑又dynamic,而根据不同的情况不同的line会
net higher or lower EV。我只是比大部分同学们早个好几年开始打。我个人把poker
看成a game with an endless cycle of decision making, and better decision
leads to a higher score, and in this game, the score is money. [Eventually
it becomes also psychology and metagame, but that's far far down the road]
所以这其实就是你第二个问题的答案。Allow me to explain. 虽然你可以从数据和数
学来看你是不是beat a particular limit/game,可是现实上这不是那么容易答出来的
。 If you are playing online, w... 阅读全帖
T********n
发帖数: 528
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 灌水灌水~ (Part 2 - The Poker Pond)
In the early days of poker - how good someone is generally had to do with
how much they knew about the game. How much they knew about the game
depends on who they associate with. We called this the poker pond -
nowadays it exists in the form of study groups, private forums, training
sites, etc. The purpose of this all is to improve one's skill in the game.
Poker skill generally come in two flavors. The cards (odds, lines, EV, math
, GTO, etc) and the player (metagame, tilt control, bankroll ... 阅读全帖
T********n
发帖数: 528
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 2 hands that i am not so sure
For Hand 2 if it was apparent to everyone on the table that you were arguing
for the Turn A to be un-dealt then at that point I have to go all the way
with AA. Normally I fold the turn because that action is typically 2 pair+.
You bet super small relative to size of pot and a pot-sized-ish check
raise is strong.
But if you think about it - when you asked for the turn to be un-dealt you
were thinking 'I want to bet the flop' but most players will interpret it as
'he's afraid of the Ace' (or at... 阅读全帖
c*****t
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Yeah!
Often times we are just not as good as we think we are. You can find people
saying these words all the time -- I need to build a big stack so that I can
use my technique to run over the whole table. However, is our technique
really so good that it is worth more than the 20% guaranteed ROI we can get
by playing short?
Also, all cash players know how annoying a short-stack can be. When a decent
short stack sits on your left, you can no longer raise light or 3-bet light
because he will jump on top ... 阅读全帖
c*****t
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - the biggest leak of small stake players
同意。所以越是high stake越是适合donk。因为donk自己fearless所以可以利用别人对
钱的恐惧感来赢钱。比如每次都猛打。成千上万刀的锅。别人没有two-pair以上的牌力
没法call。这和牌技无关。isildur钱多胆大,所以他可以生生把Ivey打成scared
money。牌打成这个样子,基本上就是metagame。两个人往悬崖飙车,谁先停谁输。要
是换成1/2。谁都不鸟你。call to keep u honest。谁管你在represent什么牌。
f*****g
发帖数: 15860
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来自主题: WaterWorld版 - 扑克玩家的成长 (转载)
【 以下文字转载自 TexasHoldem 讨论区 】
发信人: fcf (fcf), 信区: TexasHoldem
标 题: 扑克玩家的成长
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 7 10:58:11 2010, 美东)
转发一个我几个月以前写的东西
扑克玩家的成长
这是我对扑克玩家的成长一点心得,不一定都是对的,总是有特例的,但我想对大
多数人来说是差不多的。
级别1:
刚刚学会打牌的规则,没有任何技巧的概念,打牌基本是乱玩。
级别2:
看了一点资料,可能看了一本书,知道了pot odds, position, 知道了打牌要tight
aggressive, 不过其实并不懂为什么, 也不知道怎么样打才叫tight aggressive, 打
牌的技巧基本只知道preflop, flop, 如果问问题的话,一般只记得自己有什么牌,
flop上有什么牌,对每个人的动作只记得是bet/check/raise, 不在意下注的大小,
大家的位置,stack 大小,等等。这时候记得的牌多半是AA/KK 这种牌。
级别3:
玩了上万手牌了,输了一些,这是一个分界线,有些人输了就... 阅读全帖
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