j******n
发帖数: 1727 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
发信人: peoplem (我爱我家), 信区: Olympics
标 题: 写给Nature主编的抗议信
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 14:15:57 2012, 美东)
发信人: peoplem (我爱我家), 信区: Biology
标 题: 写给Nature主编的抗议信
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 14:15:36 2012, 美东)
俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改？另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
我尽快发出去
真是气死我了，我里面也说了，他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志，我
个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
1000个呢？xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了！看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
proof of anything. It a... 阅读全帖 |
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b*******9
发帖数: 13548 | 2 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
发信人: peoplem (我爱我家), 信区: Biology
标 题: 写给Nature主编的抗议信
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 14:15:36 2012, 美东)
俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改？另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
我尽快发出去
真是气死我了，我里面也说了，他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志，我
个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
1000个呢？xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了！看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧，中国人你做绵羊做
顺民我们不管，你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题！
Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Edito... 阅读全帖 |
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n*********p
发帖数: 151 | 3 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
发信人: peoplem (我爱我家), 信区: Biology
标 题: 写给Nature主编的抗议信
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 14:15:36 2012, 美东)
俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改？另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
我尽快发出去
真是气死我了，我里面也说了，他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志，我
个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
1000个呢？xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了！看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧，中国人你做绵羊做
顺民我们不管，你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题！
Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Edito... 阅读全帖 |
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n*********p
发帖数: 151 | 4 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
发信人: peoplem (我爱我家), 信区: Biology
标 题: 写给Nature主编的抗议信
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 14:15:36 2012, 美东)
俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改？另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
我尽快发出去
真是气死我了，我里面也说了，他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志，我
个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
1000个呢？xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了！看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧，中国人你做绵羊做
顺民我们不管，你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题！
Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Edito... 阅读全帖 |
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y****e
发帖数: 23939 | 5 下面有人反驳了，有理有据的，写得很好啊。
Zhenxi Zhang said:
I just want to add this: Phelps improved 4+ seconds in his 200 fly between
14-15 years old. Ian Thorpe also had a similar performance improvement. Ye
is now 16. She was 160 cm in height and now 170 cm. Human biology also play
a role – she gets stronger and bigger naturally. Yes she can make up 5
seconds (NOT 7 seconds in the article) in a 400 IM that has more room for
improvement, with good training she got in Australia.
In both the 400 IM and 200 IM final... 阅读全帖 |
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d**y
发帖数: 18174 | 6 phelps这次游了100m fly和50m free（用50m fly游的）。后者据说是打酱油，我想他
的50 fr应该不至于已经慢于50 fly。本文要说的是前者。
从外形看，phelps的肩背比以前小了一圈，肚子有没有肥肉看不太清楚。
输给lochte也不让人意外。lochte虽然年长一岁，但是据说训练很刻苦，没有像phelps
一样三天打鱼两天晒网。去年世锦赛100 fly半决赛，lochte还创了他个人最好成绩。
phelps vs lochte的这次对决，主要看点有两个，phelps的划水和到边。
phelps第一段用了16个strokes，比他2012年多了一个。虽然他跳发（这个跳发略显业
余，有抬头动作，他过去从来没有出现过，至少因此输半尺）之后出水比2012年早了一
点，但是看他到边前最后一次划水超长滑行，基本可以肯定他的每划前进距离缩短了。
前进中的速度顿挫比2012年明显的多，和2009年身着快速泳衣创WR更是没法比。而且一
共有3次strokes的前进距离明显短于其他。这在phelps出道之后从来没有出现过。这说
明，天才可以少训练，但是不能不训练。
尽管如此，... 阅读全帖 |
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M******e
发帖数: 409 | 7 innocent until proven guilty，比最后50米没有意思。 再说Lochte就没用么？要是
都用 了，Lochte没叶快。都没用，Lochte没叶快。Lochte用了，叶没用，Lochte没叶
快。万一，Lochte没用，叶用了，考虑到中国美国运动员用药历史对比，我个人不相信
这个选项。。。 |
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p*****m
发帖数: 7030 | 8 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改？另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
我尽快发出去
真是气死我了，我里面也说了，他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志，我
个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
1000个呢？xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了！看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧，中国人你做绵羊做
顺民我们不管，你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题！
Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
article that appeared in N... 阅读全帖 |
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p*****m
发帖数: 7030 | 9 目前有六位同学志愿联署 如果还有愿意加入的请吧你的姓名机构名和email发给我 我
保证这些信息不会作他用。信正式发出前会给大家再看一次终稿
PS 版主能不能帮我把这个回帖置顶一天？（主帖不必）
俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改？另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
我尽快发出去
真是气死我了，我里面也说了，他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志，我
个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
1000个呢？xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了！看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧，中国人你做绵羊做
顺民我们不管，你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题！
Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
I a... 阅读全帖 |
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m****c
发帖数: 244 | 10 支持饶毅！
那个中文翻译好象是从google来的。读着拗口。我给润色了一下。欢迎大家进一步改进。
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斐尔,
你可能因Ewen Callaway对叶诗文的报道而被email狂炸。在过去二十小时，我也收到了
小部分给你发email的读者的来信。 如果你奇怪为何《自然》非精华部分的一篇报道带
来如此大的反应，那么你应该高兴中国读者比世界其他地方的读者更看重你们的新闻报
道。与科学相关的（即使关系很小）报导对中国读者来说《自然》可能比《纽约时报》
更有分量。中文媒体引用你们的新闻也远多于一般西方媒体。
对Callaway报道的最好评价是草率、最差评价是种族偏见：1) 最初的副标题暗示叶可
能舞弊; 2) Callaway用了两件事实说明叶惊人的异常表现，而两件“事实”都是错的;
3) Callaway没有咨询持不同意见的专家，从而导致报道不平衡。而公正平衡应该是新
闻报导的最低标准。所以，Callaway至少不负责任，轻易的就暗示中国运动员容易舞弊
。他肯定没有达到新闻报道的通常标... 阅读全帖 |
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p*****m
发帖数: 7030 | 11 目前两天内收集到1100多签名，远远出乎我最早的预料（本来就是个人行动，后来有
Mitbbs网友愿意支持，我想有几十个支持就很好了）。计划明天伦敦工作日内发出。
抗议信也吸收了许多许多支持者的建议，尽量避免情绪化。但是我们还是不会拘泥于文章
的事实/逻辑问题，而会明白说出文章隐含的偏见色彩。我现在认为抗议本身也许能够
延伸出如何定义我们这个群体的public image,以及如何消除西方媒体民众对我们群体
image的stereotype的问题。当然这个不是小小一个抗议能起效的，明天我会写一个长
贴和大家讨论讨论
下面是抗议正式版:) 很多人的意见非常好，但是我没能力找出名字一一感谢了。。这
三天收了至少2000封email，回了1000封，还得给女儿喂奶哄睡，手快要断了:)
Dear Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
We are a group of contributors, subscribers, and readers of Nature residing
in more than 20 countr... 阅读全帖 |
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W***n
发帖数: 11530 | 12 31 July 2012 Last updated at 13:56 ET
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China swimmer Ye Shiwen clean, says BOA boss Moynihan
Lord Moynihan: "It's regrettable that there is so much speculation out there
in the press"
Continue reading the main story Related StoriesLondon Olympics: Day Four
Live [/sport/0/olympics/19040297] Profile: Ye Shiwen [/news/world-asia-china
-19060155] Why teenagers improve fast [/news/health-19061026]
Teenage Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen is... 阅读全帖 |
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W***n
发帖数: 11530 | 13 31 July 2012 Last updated at 13:56 ET
China swimmer Ye Shiwen clean, says BOA boss Moynihan
Lord Moynihan: "It's regrettable that there is so much speculation out there
in the press"
Continue reading the main story Related StoriesLondon Olympics: Day Four
Live [/sport/0/olympics/19040297] Profile: Ye Shiwen [/news/world-asia-china
-19060155] Why teenagers improve fast [/news/health-19061026]
Teenage Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen is not a drug cheat, the British Olympic
Association's chairman has sai... 阅读全帖 |
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x********o
发帖数: 1442 | 14 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
发信人: xiaobenmao (水晶瓶子), 信区: Olympics
标 题: 对Nature失望透顶
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 14:20:55 2012, 美东)
Nature太让我失望了，竟然发了这么一篇无论逻辑还是数据分析都漏洞百出的的狗屎文
章。
At the Olympics, how fast is too fast? That question has dogged Chinese
swimmer Ye Shiwen after the 16-year-old shattered the world record in the
women's 400-metre individual medley (400 IM) on Saturday. In the wake of
that race, some swimming experts wondered whether Ye’s win was aided by
performance-enhancing drugs. She has n... 阅读全帖 |
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B****2
发帖数: 8892 | 15 http://www.mitbbs.com/mitbbs_postdoc.php?board=NCAA&ftype=0
Ryan Lochte turned heads at the Summer Games in London on Saturday by
winning gold in the 400m individual medley, beating Michael Phelps, who
finished fourth. But the gold medal isn't the only reason he's receiving
plenty of attention -- it's the jewelry in his mouth, not around his neck,
that's causing a stir.
Earlier on Saturday we noted that Lochte was sporting a custom-made diamond
grill in his mouth on the medal stand. Though he wa... 阅读全帖 |
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P****e
发帖数: 385 | 16 叶诗文的事情纷纷扰扰闹了三天，最后英国奥组委主席亲自出来公开药检结果，大致算
是尘埃落定。回顾整个过程，叶诗文被怀疑服药成了无数媒体的奥运头条新闻，在无凭
无据的情况下被明枪暗箭地怀疑服药，对任何运动员来说，相信都是很不愉快的一段经
历。回顾过往的新闻，在药检结果公布之前就大规模报道服药嫌疑的情况并不多，即便
是A瓶检出违禁成分，大多数报道的语气仍会比较客气，等到B瓶确认之后才会确认。是
什么让媒体放弃了对服药报道一向的谨慎？是西方媒体对中国戴着有色眼镜吗？从这次
颇不寻常，毫无保留的媒体狂欢里，也许我们可以看到报道背后媒体的思维方式和运作
方式，也许平时被媒体的谨慎背后所隐藏的对中国的一些印象，却在这次的肆意狂欢中
显露无遗。
这次叶诗文的夺冠，的确有几个让人颇为惊讶的亮点，而这些也同时成为怀疑的基础。
第一是新的世界纪录，在奥运会打破世界记录本不是太奇怪的事情，可偏偏这是自从国
际泳联10年初鲨鱼皮泳衣被禁之后，两年多来整个女子泳坛第一个新的世界纪录。第二
是叶诗文的夺冠成绩4分28秒43，比起她自己的历史个人最好成绩提高了整整5秒多。第
三也是最让人惊叹的一点，是拿她400米混合... 阅读全帖 |
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P****e
发帖数: 385 | 17 其实这是个很无厘头的事情，Lochte虽然拿了冠军，可是他最后那50米居然在决赛的8
个选手里只排名第五，有四个人都比他游得快，也比叶诗文游得快：
Horihata 27.87
Fraser-Holmes 28s35
Michael Phelps 28s44
Hagino 28s52
Lochte 29s10
叶诗文 28s93
大家都以为Lochte拿了冠军，那最后50米肯定也是最快的，其实他是在前面350米领先
太多，以至于最后一程50米要么体力跟不上了，要么是没有全力冲刺。
叶诗文比Lochte快了0.17秒，可是比起男子最后50米游得最快的日本选手足足慢了1.06
秒。
所以拿叶诗文的最后50米和Lochte的最后50米比实在是件很无知的事情，但是欺骗性很
强。 |
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n*******1
发帖数: 1339 | 18 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
发信人: SinoKnight (鼠风流人物), 信区: Olympics
标 题: 本届最冤枉倍受打击摧残的运动员
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Aug 4 16:30:45 2012, 美东)
不是于洋组合,而是躺着中枪的美国游泳选手Lochte。
本来奥运一开始拿了400IM冠军势头正旺。没想到全世界的公知，媒体甚至包括科技"顶
尖"期刊nature都纷纷持续评论雄心勃勃要取代飞鱼的Lochte其实连中国16岁的女选手
叶诗文都游不过。铺天盖地的舆论不说,队友,教练,裁判甚至观众见了面都投来鄙视目
光.堂堂三尺男儿谁受得了这个? Lochte信心彻底崩溃。一场比一场差。以致游泳比赛
的最后一项4*100居然状态全无，根本没法参加比赛。
路边社最新消息:美国奥委会已经着手调查事件的始作俑者BBC,John Leonard和发表低
级刊文的nature.表示他们这样做完全丧失了最起码的奥运精神.正是他们不顾基本事实
的带歧视性质的负面宣传,使得Lochte不是以一个奥运冠军为世人熟知，而是以一个连
16岁中国女选手都游不... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 10521 | 19 =====================================================================
=========================Nature质疑叶诗文事件========================
==============================其他声音===============================
http://www.mitbbs.com/mitbbs_article_t.php?board=Biology&gid=31
发信人: lummy (河马•云何), 信区: Biology
标 题: 对 Nature 还是专业些吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Aug 4 12:53:30 2012, 美东)
版上有些同学呼吁的所谓不引用 Nature 文章的反制手段，太不专业了吧。如果因为科
学以外的事件而在自己的文章中故意 bias 地评价和引用同行的工作，我觉得是有悖学
术道德的。这本身就是对在 Nature 上发文章的同行的不公平。
对 Nature 这次的问... 阅读全帖 |
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z****n
发帖数: 5870 | 20 Lai Jiang said:
It is a shame to see Nature, which nearly all scientists, including myself,
regard as the one of the most prestigious and influential physical science
magazines to publish a thinly-veiled biased article like this. Granted, this
is not a peer-reviewed scientific article and did not go through the
scrutiny of picking referees. But to serve as a channel for the general
populous to be in touch with and appreciate sciences, the authors and
editors should at least present the readers w... 阅读全帖 |
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m**e
发帖数: 857 | 21 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
发信人: muce (muce), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 要求撤稿的
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Aug 7 13:23:01 2012, 美东)
华人生物学家协会出面要求撤稿
http://www.cbisociety.org/
Nature should adhere to fact-based and unbiased reporting
Philip Campbell, Ph.D.
Editor-in-Chief, Nature
Dear Dr. Campbell:
We write on behalf of the Chinese Biological Investigators Society (CBIS) to
express our deep concern regarding a recent news article, titled "Why great
Olympic feats raise suspicions" (www.nature.com/news/why-great-ol... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 22 江来。
FROM LAI JIANG, Department of Chemistry, University of Pennsylvania
It is a shame to see Nature — which nearly all scientists, including myself
, regard as one of the most prestigious and influential physical-science
magazines — publish a thinly veiled biased article like this. Granted, this
is not a peer-reviewed scientific article and did not go through the
scrutiny of picking referees. But to serve as a channel for the general
populace to be in touch with and appreciate science, the autho... 阅读全帖 |
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i*****s
发帖数: 4596 | 23 2012-08-02 02:18 AM
Report this comment | #47487
Lai Jiang said:
It is a shame to see Nature, which nearly all scientists, including
myself, regard as the one of the most prestigious and influential physical
science magazines to publish a thinly-veiled biased article like this.
Granted, this is not a peer-reviewed scientific article and did not go
through the scrutiny of picking referees. But to serve as a channel for the
general populous to be in touch with and appreciate sciences, the auth... 阅读全帖 |
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w****a
发帖数: 2049 | 24 2012-08-03 01:08 AM
Report this comment | #48154
Jingbo Wang said:
Lai jiang's comment (#47487) has been "anomalously" deleted by online editor
. I re-post it here:
Lai Jiang said:
It is a shame to see Nature, which nearly all scientists, including myself,
regard as the one of the most prestigious and influential physical science
magazines to publish a thinly-veiled biased article like this. Granted, this
is not a peer-reviewed scientific article and did not go through the
scrutiny of picking re... 阅读全帖 |
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h******y
发帖数: 351 | 25 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
发信人: horsefly (马匪), 信区: Biology
标 题: Olympics: Some facts about Ye Shiwen's swim
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Aug 24 13:09:56 2012, 美东)
In the latest issue of Nature.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v488/n7412/full/488459a.ht
Olympics: Some facts about Ye Shiwen's swim
Weimin Zhong,
Hao Wu
& Linheng Li
We write on behalf of the Chinese Biological Investigators Society, a
professional organization of overseas and native Chinese scientists (www.
cbisociety... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 843 | 26 2012-08-02 02:18 AMReport this comment | #47487
Lai Jiang said:
It is a shame to see Nature, which nearly all scientists, including myself,
regard as the one of the most prestigious and influential physical science
magazines to publish a thinly-veiled biased article like this. Granted, this
is not a peer-reviewed scientific article and did not go through the
scrutiny of picking referees. But to serve as a channel for the general
populous to be in touch with and appreciate sciences, the authors a... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 27 http://www.cbisociety.org/
Nature should adhere to fact-based and unbiased reporting
Philip Campbell, Ph.D.
Editor-in-Chief, Nature
Dear Dr. Campbell:
We write on behalf of the Chinese Biological Investigators Society (CBIS) to
express our deep concern regarding a recent news article, titled "Why great
Olympic feats raise suspicions" (www.nature.com/news/why-great-olympic-
feats-raise-suspicions-1.11109, August 1, 2012), in which Ewen Callaway
discussed the performance of Ye Shiwen, a 16-year ol... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7545 | 28 FROM LAI JIANG, Department of Chemistry, University of Pennsylvania
It is a shame to see Nature — which nearly all scientists, including myself
, regard as one of the most prestigious and influential physical-science
magazines — publish a thinly veiled biased article like this. Granted, this
is not a peer-reviewed scientific article and did not go through the
scrutiny of picking referees. But to serve as a channel for the general
populace to be in touch with and appreciate science, the authors a... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 228 | 29 My letter to the editors of Nature. May not be a good one. For your
reference only.
Dear Editors,
Nature has often been thought to represent one of the highest standards in
scientific publication, thanks to the collaborative works from editors,
authors and reviews in many years. With that in mind, I was both surprised
and disgusted by the recent article from Nature.com titled "Why great
Olympic feats raise suspicions" http://www.nature.com/news/why-great-olympic-feats-raise-suspicions-1.11109.... 阅读全帖 |
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d**y
发帖数: 18174 | 30 关于lochte的受伤。副韧带再次损伤。
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RYAN Lochte didn't say much last week at the Arena Grand Prix in Charlotte
about his withdrawal from competition at his home pool, leaving many to
wonder how severe his knee injury was seven months after tearing the MCL in
his left knee.
While attending an event at Macy's in New York City Wednesday, Lochte gave
reporters there a more specific reason why he couldn't race in Charlotte: He
had re-torn his MCL a couple of weeks ago, according to an article
publish... 阅读全帖 |
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c***e
发帖数: 1207 | 31 这正是要大家想问题需要有点逻辑性和受过科学思考教育的样子，就像楼上说的，女的
比男的快在叶诗文这个事情里就是个伪命题。叶诗文只是在400 IM 的一小段比Lochte
游得快。而Lochte 这次最后50M成绩在顶级400IM男选手的最后50M成绩中是个什么水平
， 和Phelps比如何，前面已有人考古过。结论是不怎么样。从哪方面来看，女的比男
的快在叶诗文这个事情里都是个伪命题。拿叶和Lochte比
自由泳强项 vs 非强项
全力冲刺vs 有所保留 或 疲劳
根本就没什么可比性。再说Lochte这次最后50 M游得一般又不是叶诗文的错。 |
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发帖数: 60 | 32 harway, 按照你的设想,你希望客观地了解这篇文章作者的立场和观点,那么你应该认真
看看comments
It is a shame to see Nature, which nearly all scientists, including myself,
regard as the one of the most prestigious and influential physical science
magazines to publish a thinly-veiled biased article like this. Granted, this
is not a peer-reviewed scientific article and did not go through the
scrutiny of picking referees. But to serve as a channel for the general
populous to be in touch with and appreciate sciences, the authors and
editor... 阅读全帖 |
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f******r
发帖数: 437 | 33 请你认真读读这个，我觉得这回复 comments的作者水平很高，
很遗憾的是nature 偷偷的把这个回复给删了， 留下很多中国人名字的谩骂贴。
我非常支持这个回帖作者的观点， 应该用事实和科学的方法回击nature,
nature 作为一个科学界的顶级杂志，发表这种文章， 必须要付出代价.
Lai jiang's comment (#47487) has been "anomalously" deleted by online editor
. I re-post it here:
Lai Jiang said:
It is a shame to see Nature, which nearly all scientists, including myself,
regard as the one of the most prestigious and influential physical science
magazines to publish a thinly-veiled biased article like this. Granted, this
is not a pe... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 145 | 34 Jianglai 的回复
It is a shame to see Nature, which nearly all scientists, including myself,
regard as the one of the most prestigious and influential physical science
magazines to publish a thinly-veiled biased article like this. Granted, this
is not a peer-reviewed scientific article and did not go through the
scrutiny of picking referees. But to serve as a channel for the general
populous to be in touch with and appreciate sciences, the authors and
editors should at least present the readers with... 阅读全帖 |
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m**e
发帖数: 857 | 35 华人生物学家协会出面要求撤稿
http://www.cbisociety.org/
Nature should adhere to fact-based and unbiased reporting
Philip Campbell, Ph.D.
Editor-in-Chief, Nature
Dear Dr. Campbell:
We write on behalf of the Chinese Biological Investigators Society (CBIS) to
express our deep concern regarding a recent news article, titled "Why great
Olympic feats raise suspicions" (www.nature.com/news/why-great-olympic-
feats-raise-suspicions-1.11109, August 1, 2012), in which Ewen Callaway
discussed the performance of Ye Shiwe... 阅读全帖 |
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h******y
发帖数: 351 | 36 In the latest issue of Nature.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v488/n7412/full/488459a.ht
Olympics: Some facts about Ye Shiwen's swim
Weimin Zhong,
Hao Wu
& Linheng Li
We write on behalf of the Chinese Biological Investigators Society, a
professional organization of overseas and native Chinese scientists (www.
cbisociety.org), to express our concern over your online News 'Explainer'
about the performance of Ye Shiwen, a 16-year-old Chinese swimmer who won
gold medals in... 阅读全帖 |
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b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 37 http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=oly&id=8215052
Column: What's up with China's swimming success?
Updated: July 30, 2012, 2:40 PM ET
Associated Press
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LONDON -- What are they on? Or are they?
When Chinese swimmers started blowing rivals out of the water in London's
Olympic pool, whispers quickly followed. Is China cheating the sport again,
as it did in the 1990s, when drug-fueled, muscle-bound swimmers emerged from
nowhere to beat the world? Alain Bernard, the 2008 O... 阅读全帖 |
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hone (磨刀石) 于 (Wed Aug 1 16:35:49 2012, 美东) 提到:
这些记者懂拼音吗？
http://news.xinhuanet.com/sports/2012-08/01/c_123508755.htm
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emsct (123) 于 (Wed Aug 1 16:37:17 2012, 美东) 提到:
这是德语口吧，不懂越南语正常啊
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shuihaizi (水孩子) 于 (Wed Aug 1 16:38:17 2012, 美东) 提到:
现在都是妓者
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hone (磨刀石) 于 (Wed Aug 1 17:03:17 2012, 美东) 提到:
人家老爸是越南移民
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b*****e
发帖数: 5133 | 39 好好练吧，水下蝶腿号称是fifth stroke，也是最快的游泳方式。
去年2011 FINA World Championships 200m自由泳比Michael Phelps矮5厘米的Ryan
Lochte获胜。3道的Ryan Lochte在100米转身后的水下蝶腿比2道的Phelps多，从转身后
还处于落后到转超全部靠比Phelps多的蝶腿完成。最明显的就是Phelps先出水速度下降
，此时还在蝶腿的Lochte在水下超过Phelps后出水。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Z9frr1XAQ#t=4m28 |
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d**y
发帖数: 18174 | 40 USRPT的训练方法更适用于成绩处于上升期并且有专人指导的年轻人，或者即使上了年
纪但是乳酸代谢仍然非常快的人
年纪稍微大一些的顶尖选手，比如phelps和lochte，他们不得不面对身体能量系统恢复
变慢的现实，在训练中必须学习对抗略高的乳酸水平（和他们20岁以前比），做出肌肉
和神经的微调。如果不加大训练量，增加高乳酸水平情况下的训练，结果就是大家看到
的，2012年phelps的400IM第三段出现多次动作变形，是他出道以来最慢的一段蛙泳；
刚刚比完的100 fly，有15%的strokes有瑕疵。相反，lochte（29岁）的勤奋训练让他
的动作非常稳定，100 fly比个人pb只慢半秒；200自，在改动作的情况下也游出了高水
准，看起来像是adrian在游200。
michael andrew现在看起来非常成功。但是他个子很高，和成人比已经不吃亏；他的成
绩和巅峰比起来，大概只相当于珠峰大本营、一号、最多二号营地到峰顶的距离。异常
艰苦、无法宿营的三号营地他还没有达到。
支持michael andrew用usrpt的人认为这种方法让他避免burn out，提高时间利用效率
，... 阅读全帖 |
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d**y
发帖数: 18174 | 41 lochte的膝伤是旧伤，据说非常严重，但是今年迅速就能恢复比赛，肯定让人心生疑惑。
如果美国人有如此神奇的医术，为什么他们不能把soni治好，这样她不至于早早退役。
lochte是IM蛙泳训练受伤，soni更是蛙泳专项。
所以世人自然会猜测lochte是为了商业代言所迫，采取了某种高科技手段。
这和hackett当年吃大量不违禁，但是有助于提高长距离成绩的药也许有异曲同工之妙
。虽不违禁，但是副作用看起来不小，不然hackett不会到美国来治疗。 |
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s*****w
发帖数: 262 | 42 我也跟你有类似想法，政治归政治，学术归学术。 不过回到这个问题，nature的那片
文章到底是不是公正的？ 我现在觉得还是不严谨的。首先，拿ye和lochte相比就不是
一个严谨的证据，lochte并不能代表男子自由泳的最高水平，也最后50米比他快也不代
表她就超过了lochte. 而且标题就直接表示ye有doping的嫌疑也似乎过于武断。 绕毅
给nature的编辑写了一封信，我觉得前面部分还是比较客观。
抵制nature确实ridiculous, 要求nature撤稿和道歉也似乎太过，我觉得这只是一片不
是很严谨的文章，comment一下，就是论事也就罢了，没必要太在乎 |
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发帖数: 38600 | 43 Time of last 50m for Man / Woman
100m free 24.74 / 26.61
200m free 25.70 / 28.60
400m free 25.77 / 29.36
800m free 25.99 / 29.66
1500m free 25.94 / 29.27
200m IM 27.49 / 29.84 <---
400m IM 27.85 / 28.93 <--- Ye Shiwen
So Shiwen Ye's time for the last 50m of 400m IM is normal.
And it is Lochte's time of the last 50m (29.10sec) that is too slow,
but of course, Lochte didn't break Phelps's record. |
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q*a
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kingliyou (kingliyou) 于 (Mon Jul 30 19:28:04 2012, 美东) 提到:
一片很有意思的文章：
http://www.bbc.co.uk/zhongwen/simp/chinese_news/2012/07/120730_
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RVN (银河战舰的桅杆) 于 (Mon Jul 30 19:30:30 2012, 美东) 提到:
呵呵 西媒这洗脑水平真牛
这记者素质也真可以 骂运动员是机器人。。。就不愿搭理你还不行么？换了美国人看
他敢问不
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redpoppy (小肥羊~~只爱陌生人) 于 (Mon Jul 30 19:31:39 2012, 美东) 提到:
喊人人都强的也挺有意思的，你练去呗，也没人拦着。。
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s*******e
发帖数: 1544 | 45 和WSN攻击刘翔出于相同原因：广告打的太多了。不过人家没捕风捉影说LOLO假比赛。
（我反对没确凿证据指控某队员出于私利假比赛）
这篇文章说明了美帝商业体制sucks! 收入和长相，做秀，出卖色相挂钩，而不是象天
朝的举国体制只和成绩挂钩。如果取消举国体制中国选手会大量出现刘翔、LOLO 这种
争议运动员。
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/sports/olympics/olympian-lolo
For Lolo Jones, Everything Is Image
LONDON — Judging from this year’s performances, Lolo Jones seems to have
only a slim chance of winning an Olympic medal in the 100-meter hurdles and
almost no possibility of winning gold.
Still, Jones has received far greater publicity than any ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 248 | 46 Dancing with the stars 招募罪犯Lochte。Lochte这个liar在Rio犯了罪，公正的媒体
应该谴责，不应该袒护，ABC真是奇葩没底线，顶风把这个垃圾公然招募进来吸引眼球
，这是对法律的漠视。
这两天The View又把Hamilton的老黑请来做嘉宾，这个人连对待当选副总统起码的尊重
都没有，这种没教养的人渣ABC都当宝供着。
希望创总stick with law and order。The law is the law！要让左派尊重法律和秩序
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发帖数: 69 | 47 还有NBC的那个导播也该道歉, 他说:How could she swim faster than the fastest
man in the world? This is unbelievable.他是拿Lochte在男子4*100自由泳接力赛时
的速度和叶诗文的在比较.明显是biased.那个Lochte那晚的表现根本不是fastest man
in the world. Yannick 才是 |
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发帖数: 14569 | 48 不管第几个，对世界第一的选手来说，那速度都是很恐怖的。泳版的小酸说：08年奥运
会，phelps赢Lochte就是赢在蛙泳。而那个时候Lochte号称刚完成蛙泳密训进步很大。 |
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p*5
发帖数: 16204 | 49 扯。
所有敢玩混合泳的蛙泳必须强大。
08年奥运会，phelps赢lochte正是赢在蛙泳。而那个时候lochte号称刚完成蛙泳密训进
步很大。 |
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发帖数: 3799 | 50 同感，Phelps真的是拼了。
我看赛后，Lochte的脸色很糟糕，倒是 Phelps看着没什么，还去"安慰"Lochte. |
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