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发帖数: 7506 | 1 http://news.yahoo.com/poll-latino-vote-devastated-gop-even-wors
Mitt Romney lost Latinos by unprecedented margins -- even worse than the
initial exit polls showed -- according to a study by Latino Decisions.
An election eve poll of 5,600 voters across all 50 states by the group,
which has researched the Latino vote throughout the campaign, concluded
Obama won by an eye-popping 75-23 margin. Their research concluded that CNN'
s exit poll estimate of 71 percent of Latinos breaking to Obama likely
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B**W
发帖数: 2273 | 2 By msnbc.com staff and wire service reports
Updated at 3:30 p.m. EST
The U.S. government said Thursday that the man who called himself the
toughest sheriff in America ran an office that has committed wide-ranging
civil rights violations against Latinos, including a pattern of racial
profiling and heavy-handed immigration patrols based on racially charged
complaints.
The U.S. Justice Department's expert on measuring racial profiling called it
the most egregious case he has seen, the department's ... 阅读全帖 |
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b**m
发帖数: 1466 | 3 http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/asians-latinos-gop/story?id
If the Republican Party wants to win elections in the future, it should
consider appealing to the fastest growing racial group in the United States.
No, not Latinos. Asians.
Ronald Reagan famously said that Latinos were Republicans "that didn't know
it yet" because of their strong work ethic, emphasis on "family values," and
adherence to religious doctrine. George W. Bush was able to capture more
than 40 percent of the Latino vote i... 阅读全帖 |
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t******r
发帖数: 8600 | 4 Nearly Half of Blacks, Latinos Drop Out, School Study Shows - Los ...
articles.latimes.com/2005/mar/24/.../me-graduate24
Los Angeles Times
Mar 24, 2005 - Nearly Half of Blacks, Latinos Drop Out, School Study Shows .
.. from Harvard, Johns Hopkins, UCLA and UC Santa Barbara, among others.
Huge Drop in Blacks, Latinos Admitted to U.Cal. | FairTest
www.fairtest.org/huge-drop-blacks-latinos-admitted-u-cal
FairTest
Huge Drop in Blacks, Latinos Admitted to U.Cal. ... number of African
Am... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2651 | 5 Source:
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/04/18/more-latino-than-wh
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS / AP) — More Latino than white students in California
have been offered admission to the state’s premier public universities for
the first time, officials said Friday, a milestone that reflects the diverse
racial makeup of a state where Latino children represent a majority of
students in public schools.
Preliminary admissions data show that 17,589 Latino students have been
accepted as freshmen at one of th... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3045 | 6 简单的说，不能说那些愿意收留latino和穆斯林，支持黑人的白人就都是圣母心态，其
实很多白人对于血缘心里明镜着呢。要知道，穆斯林和Latino其实都是白人，latino是
西班牙人葡萄牙人强奸印第安女人的后代，美国黑人也基本全是白人的后代。很多华人
不知道：奴隶制时期，黑女奴隶基本都被白男主人睡过，一个是白男本能冲动，一个是
为了增加奴隶后代的数量。现在的美国黑人基本都有白人血统，所以Obama说天使是our
children，人家说的是事实。
华人是离他们血缘最远的，所以美国人对于人畜无害的华人比对穆斯林和latino要警惕
的多，宁可大肆查封月子中心，Jeb Bush也不说劳模的anchor baby 一句。就像中国人
对韩国人比对中国的维族更有亲切感一样，白人这种基于血缘的非我族类其心必异的心
理很容易理解。如果大家了解演化心理学的话，可以说这是人类本能。对进化论了解最
深的英国人（达尔文可是英国人）远在脱欧控制穆斯林移民前，就已经落实政策把一堆
华人留学生毕业了就赶紧赶走。美国唯一的排外法案就是排华法案，唯一被关过集中营
的就是日本人。倒是如果有亚裔支持这些latino穆斯林... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 9926 | 7 有白的和黑的 白的是欧洲移民 黑的是土著
Latino /læˈtinoʊ/ or /ləˈtinoʊ/[1] is a term
used chiefly in the United States to refer to people of Latin American
extraction or descent, though the term has also been incorrectly used as a
synonym for Hispanic. Hispanic is a narrower term which only refers to
persons of Spanish-speaking origin or ancestry, while "Latino" is more
frequently used to refer more generally to anyone of Latin American origin
or ancestry, including Brazilians.[2][3][... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 8 Fewer than half of Latinos support Obamacare or a path to citizenship
According to the Republican National Committee, Republicans must grant the
11 million illegal immigrants currently living in the United States
citizenship if they want to win any future elections. And according to Mitt
Romney, he lost the 2012 election because Latinos love Obamacare.
Both of these beliefs are not supported by recent polling.
According to a Pew Research Center poll released last week, just 49 percent
of Hispani... 阅读全帖 |
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m***y
发帖数: 14763 | 9 这事儿不好说呀。
你就说Cameron Diaz和JLo，这长得不像一族吧？实际上，Diaz就是老汉提到的古巴白
人，你可以叫人Hispanic，但人家不觉得自己在美国算Latino。这就涉及到一个Latino
这个词的歧义，到底是国籍还是族裔？象纯白人的纳粹国家阿根廷为例，他们就自以为
Latino，因为阿根廷是个拉丁美洲国家，他们当然是拉丁美洲人。但在美国，Latino通
常是指拉丁美洲裔，所以你要说阿根廷人是latino，老美都葫芦而笑，这事儿不能说得
太细。
当然，Diaz本人倒是巴不得混进Latino队伍，这样在左的不能更左的好莱坞好混一点，
可是她也不敢乱来吧，她们家可是古巴高级白人。当年那谁，CNN的亚女，跟老黑凑近
乎，说你们老黑都互称你哥，我也是minority耶。结果让人当场打脸。Diaz可是门儿清
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发帖数: 19713 | 10 A poll from NBC Latino/IBOPE Zogby finds that 60% of Latino respondents
support marriage equality.
According to the poll, 48% of those polled "strongly agree" that same-sex
couples should have the right to marry. The bad news? Ten percent of
respondents say having a gay child would be more of a disappointment than a
son or daughter who's a drug addict or in prison.
Meanwhile, one of the most prominent LGBT Latinos, Ricky Martin, is lending
his support to the Obama campaign. Martin filmed a video... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 11 June 24, 2012 by Warner Todd Huston
Imagine if Bush had insulted his Latino guests like this.
Latinos with forks, that seems to be Obama’s newest fear. At least, that’s
the case judging from his actions at this years National Association of
Latino Elected Officials (NALEO) luncheon since Obama had the Secret Service
confiscate all the dinner forks from the participants at the June 22 event
held in Orlando, Florida.
I guess Obama doesn’t worry about millions of illegal immigrants taking our
job... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1430 | 12 【 以下文字转载自 EB23 讨论区 】
发信人: fakaoti08 (fakati08), 信区: EB23
标 题: Biden: Latinos 'the center of this nation's future'
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 3 23:02:30 2013, 美东)
Vice President Joe Biden says the 2012 election will be forever viewed as a
turning point for the Latino community, whose political and economic power
is "just about to take full flight."
"What's finally happened is the American people, the American people have
finally begun to understand …the awesome potential, future potential of the
H... 阅读全帖 |
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t******n
发帖数: 2939 | 14 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
StephenKing (金博士) 于 (Sat Jun 29 13:26:27 2013, 美东) 提到:
今天我跟修草坪的老莫聊了几句，他说连gay都legal了，为什么他们latino还是
illegal呢？？？？
老莫说，最近看新闻，发现很多人在争legal、illegal的问题。看了半天，他很有感悟
。他说他朋友亲戚很多kind的人，一不偷二不抢，三不搞同性恋，平常对人nice，看见
需要帮忙的人就去帮一把，为了摆脱以前在墨西哥的miserable生活不公平待遇，他们
背井离乡，拼了老命逃到美国，一呆就是二三十年，勤勤恳恳为美国社会做贡献，结婚
生baby。事实上他们都觉得自己是美国人，从来没觉得自己是latino。就这样，主流社
会居然还认为他们是illegal ？
他扪心自问，认为illegal这个词应该只用在那些社会蛀虫，同性恋，杀人放火，罪大
恶极的人头上。把这么一顶肮脏的illegal的帽子，扣在他们这种老老实实生活的人头
上，太不公平了。
美国有20，000，000的跟他一... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 15 Kelly Osbourne to Donald Trump: If We Deport Latinos, Who Will Clean Your
Toilets?
by Kipp Jones4 Aug 2015New York
On Tuesday’s episode of The View, which was dedicated solely to the show’s
“Hot Topics” segment, Project Runway junior judge and former Fashion
Police co-host Kelly Osbourne went after the billionaire frontrunner, and
asked a question that is drawing the ire of social media.
“If you kick every Latino out of this country, then who is going to be
cleaning your toilet, Donald Trump?” K... 阅读全帖 |
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m***y
发帖数: 14763 | 16 技术上来说,是赢了"GOP内的"latino和黑人选票.想想有多少latino和黑人是GoP党员,
并且坚持去初选投票的吧,他们代表不了广大latino和黑人,基本上还是猪党票仓..
绝大多数latino和黑人是好的,是坚决要龙虾不要上学的.而且是党叫选谁就选谁,绝对
不会象GoP的红脖那样觉醒造反的. |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 18 公司的一个latino跑来跟我说他家的Trump sign被偷了.
这个Latino在我们公司混的不错, 我和他关系也不错. 不过从来不提大选的事情.
今天正好有点事情他过来, 就提到他家放在门外的Trump 牌子被偷了.
我开始以为他在开玩笑, 结果他说, 没有, 我老婆去参加共和党rally的时候拿的. 本
来要给老丈人的, 后来就决定自己用了. 结果今天早上发现牌子被偷了.
我说其实无所谓了, 反正我已经投票了. 他说他也已经投票了.
我老早说了, 这里合法的latino只要有个工作就算是中产了, 他们不会去支持非法老墨
进来的, 这个对他们也不利的. 大家就算都是latino又怎么样呢. 损害自己利益的事
情没人会去做的.
Trump 2016 |
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发帖数: 1430 | 19 Vice President Joe Biden says the 2012 election will be forever viewed as a
turning point for the Latino community, whose political and economic power
is "just about to take full flight."
"What's finally happened is the American people, the American people have
finally begun to understand …the awesome potential, future potential of the
Hispanic community," he said Thursday at a welcome reception for new Latino
members of Congress. "...Now the nation -- and I might add the hemisphere -
- understa... 阅读全帖 |
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u**o
发帖数: 174 | 20 大家前几天还在开玩笑怎么不要求MBA也diversity. 现在HP已经被盯上了，这个趋势下
去， 加州，美国的
优势会被消耗光，要尽快平衡民主，共和两党势力。
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/25010163/jesse-jackson-to-take-on-techs-lack-of-diversity
Jesse Jackson to take on tech's lack of diversity
The Rev. Jesse Jackson plans to lead a delegation to the Hewlett-Packard
annual shareholders meeting on Wednesday to bring attention to Silicon
Valley's poor record of including blacks and Latinos in hiring, board
appointments and startup funding.
Jackson's strategy borrows ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4732 | 21 最近latino热播的连续剧india真是富丽堂皇帅哥美女如云，latino把阿三们演得都太
帅了。不过奇怪为什么latino会热炒阿三文化，自己那么帅的民族却要装阿三真是煞风
景 |
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 22 latino已经超过了黑人了。布什当年也赢了很多latino.以后，如果拿不到latino选票
，很难赢。 |
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 23 (CNN) -- Describing it as a "day that has been a long time coming,"
President Barack Obama made modern history Monday by announcing the creation
of a monument to honor the late labor and civil rights activist Cesar
Chavez.
The Cesar E. Chavez National Monument becomes the 398th unit in the National
Park Service system, and the first honoring a Latino born later than the
1700s, the Park Service told CNN.
It's no coincidence the move comes less than a month before Election Day, as
the president ma... 阅读全帖 |
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S*********g
发帖数: 24893 | 24 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: StephenKing (金博士), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: 连同性恋都legal了，为什么latino还是illegal呢？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jun 29 13:26:27 2013, 美东)
今天我跟修草坪的老莫聊了几句，他说连gay都legal了，为什么他们latino还是
illegal呢？？？？
老莫说，最近看新闻，发现很多人在争legal、illegal的问题。看了半天，他很有感悟
。他说他朋友亲戚很多kind的人，一不偷二不抢，三不搞同性恋，平常对人nice，看见
需要帮忙的人就去帮一把，为了摆脱以前在墨西哥的miserable生活不公平待遇，他们
背井离乡，拼了老命逃到美国，一呆就是二三十年，勤勤恳恳为美国社会做贡献，结婚
生baby。事实上他们都觉得自己是美国人，从来没觉得自己是latino。就这样，主流社
会居然还认为他们是illegal ？
他扪心自问，认为illegal这个词应该只用在那些社会蛀虫，同性恋，杀人放火，罪大
恶极的人头上。把这么一顶肮脏的il... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 25 (CNN) -- Describing it as a "day that has been a long time coming,"
President Barack Obama made modern history Monday by announcing the creation
of a monument to honor the late labor and civil rights activist Cesar
Chavez.
The Cesar E. Chavez National Monument becomes the 398th unit in the National
Park Service system, and the first honoring a Latino born later than the
1700s, the Park Service told CNN.
It's no coincidence the move comes less than a month before Election Day, as
the president ma... 阅读全帖 |
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k****g
发帖数: 1509 | 27 Republicans on Capitol Hill Eye Immigration Reform to Win Back Latino Voters
After losing 71 percent of the Latino vote, Republicans look for ways to win
them back
By Lauren Fox
November 21, 2012 RSS Feed Print
Participants rally to support immigration in Washington, D.C.
Before President Barack Obama won 71 percent of the Latino vote on Election
Day, Brad Bailey says Republicans on Capitol Hill were not always receptive
to his message that the GOP urgently needed to make comprehensive
immigrati... 阅读全帖 |
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S*********g
发帖数: 24893 | 28 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: StephenKing (金博士), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: 连同性恋都legal了，为什么latino还是illegal呢？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jun 29 13:26:27 2013, 美东)
今天我跟修草坪的老莫聊了几句，他说连gay都legal了，为什么他们latino还是
illegal呢？？？？
老莫说，最近看新闻，发现很多人在争legal、illegal的问题。看了半天，他很有感悟
。他说他朋友亲戚很多kind的人，一不偷二不抢，三不搞同性恋，平常对人nice，看见
需要帮忙的人就去帮一把，为了摆脱以前在墨西哥的miserable生活不公平待遇，他们
背井离乡，拼了老命逃到美国，一呆就是二三十年，勤勤恳恳为美国社会做贡献，结婚
生baby。事实上他们都觉得自己是美国人，从来没觉得自己是latino。就这样，主流社
会居然还认为他们是illegal ？
他扪心自问，认为illegal这个词应该只用在那些社会蛀虫，同性恋，杀人放火，罪大
恶极的人头上。把这么一顶肮脏的il... 阅读全帖 |
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S******4
发帖数: 2865 | 29 Sorry to bust your bubble......
你又忘了这是Primary，在GOP Primary投票的latino，只占美国latino很小一部分。
大部分latino都是民主党。
（我真的很不明白在这里意淫的point是什么？现在欺骗自己，只会让你在11月大失所
望。）
(Or maybe you are not smart enough to realize your mistake haha... Oh well) |
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s*******f
发帖数: 1114 | 30 【 以下文字转载自 NextGeneration 讨论区 】
发信人: searchlyf (星仔), 信区: NextGeneration
标 题: 真心求教怎样把娃变成latino
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Sep 13 01:40:09 2016, 美东)
改成latino名字 填上latino的race
还有什么可以做的吗？谢谢
我们是华人夫妇 |
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a*****6
发帖数: 1800 | 31 这些个别人支持希拉里，从统计上来说可以不计。
发信人: lengxi1981 (test), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 加州刚入籍的latino反对非法移民，支持川普。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Sep 20 22:08:35 2016, 美东)
收入不到7万？扯淡，我10万在我们公司算初级的
【 在 addadd6 (haha) 的大作中提到: 】
: 标 题: Re: 加州刚入籍的latino反对非法移民，支持川普。
: 扯淡。我公司同事，都是白人，都反对trump
: : 发信人: lengxi1981 (test), 信区: USANews
: : 标 题: Re: 加州刚入籍的latino反对非法移民，支持川普。 |
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a*****6
发帖数: 1800 | 32 我呆过的共10公司， 白人全部支持床铺， 没有一个支持希拉里。
你的范围太小了， 没有任何意义。
=================================================================
发信人: lengxi1981 (test), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 加州刚入籍的latino反对非法移民，支持川普。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Sep 20 22:10:59 2016, 美东)
我待过俩公司，都是这个情况，白人主流不喜欢trump，也不喜欢period，但相比之下
，只能选一个至少不是疯子的人。
【 在 addadd6 (haha) 的大作中提到: 】
: 标 题: Re: 加州刚入籍的latino反对非法移民，支持川普。
: 收入不到7万？扯淡，我10万在我们公司算初级的
: : : 发信人: lengxi1981 (test), 信区: USANews
: : : 标 题: Re: 加州刚入籍的latino反对非法移民，支持川普。 |
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d*****n
发帖数: 3084 | 33 这个其实双方都矫情了，一方面，latino在很多地方不能算少数民族了。另一方面，让
latino上大学并不是不允许华人念大学了，华人照样念大学。
我觉得像加州那么多老墨，你无论什么时候都得跟他们相处。大学里多一些latino也好
啊，华人孩子念的也轻松些啊。无非是会让华人念名校的机会少了，这样我觉得没什么
了不起的。华人最喜欢分三六九等，念名校的少了，那些家长不是更可以牛逼一些吗？
华人不是犹太人，那么多念名校的屁用都没有。 |
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 34 让GOP颤抖.因为巴马头两年没有处理移民问题,latino已经很不满了.后来巴马靠给
dreamer发ead解决了部分latino不满.这次如果因为巴马这边出了问题不过,那latino会
更不满的.所以这次巴马作了很大的让步,比如巴马计划是10年内给公民身份,这次13年.
巴马希望给同性伴侣发绿卡.这次也在这个问题上让步了.包括取消亲属移民,也让步了.
如果这次不过,那就是GOP问题了. |
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l********k
发帖数: 14844 | 35 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: lunchbreak (考不上印度理工，才到麻省理工来), 信区: Military
标 题: 关于SCA5一问：latino在加州算minority么？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Feb 24 15:51:30 2014, 美东)
2010年人口普查结果在这里：
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California
这个表格十分的细，也可以说是故意弄得很乱，很多的重复统计，比如
White 61.6%
White, not Hispanic or Latino 42.3%
Hispanic or Latino (of any race) 37.6%
Mexican 30.6%
Asian 14.9%
白人，非白墨的白人，西裔，老莫都分开算了。尤其是西裔，分成很多块，而且白人的
统计也包括... 阅读全帖 |
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T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 38 你忘了LATINO是集中在几个州的。
这几个州传统就是兰州。
美国不是按具体选票选总统，是按州选总统。
最后LATINO和黑人的选票重叠。 |
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 39 NV, CO都是摇摆州。而且按照TX，latino增长比例（TX新生男童最popular first name
is Jose），用不多久，TX latino也成了气候。 |
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T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 40 TX本来就有很多LATINO，问题是那些LATINO很多本身都是红脖子。
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T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 41 Ft，投票又不是为了别的，是为了自己的利益。
那些CHINATOWN吃福利的华人为什么要和你郊区住大房想少交税的F1绑在一起啊？
LATINO也是这个道理，二代LATINO，很多都和白人通婚了，为什么要和新来的阿米哥选
同一个总统？ |
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h*******u
发帖数: 15326 | 42 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: brihand (brihand), 信区: USANews
标 题: latino已经成气候了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 17 11:27:16 2012, 美东)
才四年时间latino选民数量增加了22%. |
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l********k
发帖数: 14844 | 43 2010年人口普查结果在这里：
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California
这个表格十分的细，也可以说是故意弄得很乱，很多的重复统计，比如
White 61.6%
White, not Hispanic or Latino 42.3%
Hispanic or Latino (of any race) 37.6%
Mexican 30.6%
Asian 14.9%
白人，非白墨的白人，西裔，老莫都分开算了。尤其是西裔，分成很多块，而且白人的
统计也包括部分西裔。
河南嘚子提出SCA5的出发点在于他认为少数民族被under-represented. 可是在加州，
老莫，或者西裔，或者拉迪诺，都是仅次于白人的第二大族裔，而且很快会超过盎格鲁
萨克森-日耳曼白人，成为第一大族裔，而亚裔（和老黑）才是货真价实的minority。
那么河南嘚子提SCA5的出发点，是... 阅读全帖 |
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h******k
发帖数: 15372 | 44 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: helpdesk (), 信区: USANews
标 题: 有个菲律宾裔教授写了一本书叫The Latino of Asia
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue May 24 11:55:54 2016, 美东)
尼玛简直太形象了！据说菲律宾人现在正在争取得到Latino的待遇，退出Asian民族划
分。 |
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 45 Hispanic women will break attendance records at polling stations in November
, according to a new poll released by American Women, Voto Latino Action
Network and iAmerica Action.
Of the women surveyed, 81 percent said they are "almost certain" to vote in
2016.
The numbers follow polling trends among Hispanics of both genders in 2016, a
year in which increased participation and refuting presumptive GOP nominee
Donald Trump are quickly becoming the norm for Hispanics.
In the new poll, 84 percent o... 阅读全帖 |
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g*****g
发帖数: 1067 | 46 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: ggggggg (星光小妹), 信区: USANews
标 题: 真正民调：40%的黑人和60%的latino选民支持trump！
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Aug 10 19:37:54 2016, 美东)
网络最新民调：真正有工作的，自己养活自己的黑人选民（40%）和latino选民（60%）
都转向trump了。大家的钱都不是天上掉下来的。支持trump为工薪阶层减税！
印度裔美国人更是全面倒向trump，估计超过90%的印度裔会投trump
华人支持trump的相对低一点，但是也超过了70%的临界点！ |
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t*b
发帖数: 850 | 47 CNN nowdays really sucks
it had a program called Blacks in American, it turned out most balcks watch
MSNBC/NBC now.
Now CNN has a new program called Latino in America. Stupid, Latino has their
own TV Univision and Telemondo |
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r******g
发帖数: 4002 | 48 从墨西哥来的Latinos大量存在于加州和纽约。佛州的Latinos很多是古巴裔，支持
ROMNEY。 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 49 by Jammie
Congratulations, Gabriel Gomez. You just earned yourself a spot on top
of the Democratic National Committee’s hit list.
It’s not just because you’re the Republican nominee for Senate. Or
because you’re a Washington outsider who threatens to prevent lifelong
political hack Ed Markey from becoming “Senator for life.”
It’s not even because you’re a Boston Marathon-running, former Navy
SEAL who exudes the kind of patriotism that embarrasses many liberals today.
No. The real... 阅读全帖 |
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