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发帖数: 6973 | 1 US Achieves Breakthroughs in Laser Weaponization
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Apr 15 15:03:18 2011, 美东)
William Lawther, US Laser Could Fend off PRC Boats. Taipei Times, Apr 16,
2011 (available now).
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan
/archives/2011/04/16/2003500888
Quote:
"Just three months ago, the US Office of Naval Research issued a statement
saying that scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory, New Mexico, had
perfected a way to generate megawatt laser beams. When developed into a
weapon, th... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6973 | 2 William Lawther, US Laser Could Fend off PRC Boats. Taipei Times, Apr 16,
2011 (available now).
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan
/archives/2011/04/16/2003500888
Quote:
"Just three months ago, the US Office of Naval Research issued a statement
saying that scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory, New Mexico, had
perfected a way to generate megawatt laser beams. When developed into a
weapon, these beams could shoot down large numbers of incoming missiles at
low cost and long before they ... 阅读全帖 |
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w***n
发帖数: 2474 | 3 A Scientist's Biography discloses China's Strategic Laser Weapon Project
2012-01-14 (China Military News from China Military Power Mashup) -- World
has known China's anti-satellite missile test in 2007. Besides the kinetic
kill vehicles, however, China has been finding directed energy weapons, such
as laser, to play a significant role in outer space competition since 1980s
. But few opened information can be available to evaluate China's Energy
Weapon Development. And some western analysts just ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4825 | 4 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/29/us/charles-h-townes-physicist
Charles H. Townes, a visionary physicist whose research led to the
development of the laser, making it possible to play CDs, scan prices at the
supermarket, measure time precisely, survey planets and galaxies and even
witness the birth of stars, died on Tuesday in Oakland, Calif. He was 99.
His daughter Linda Rosenwein confirmed his death.
In 1964, Dr. Townes and two Russians shared the Nobel Prize in Physics for
their work on micro... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 50 | 5 北美fresh Ph.D.,要把自己买了，希望找个好的东家。麻烦大家介绍几个laser
engineer/electro-optical engineer 的猎头。谢谢。
本人有极强的 hand-on and creative skills. 以下是 technical skills.
• Lasers and ultrafast lasers
Expertise with Ti:Sapphire multipass femtosecond amplifier, Ti:Sapphire
regenerative femtosecond amplifier, mode-locked Ti:Sapphire oscillator,
diode lasers, Nd:YAG Q-switched pulse laser, diode pumped solid state (DPSS)
laser, tunable dye laser, excimer lasers, optical parametric amplifier(OPA)
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• Optical and e |
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j******e
发帖数: 50 | 6 Graduate from top 3 university in Canada, published 1st author APL papers
and will submit 1 PRL this month.
如果兄弟们的实验室有OPENING,希望通报一声。
本人有极强的 hands-on and creative skills. 以下是 technical skills.
• Lasers and ultrafast lasers
Expertise with Ti:Sapphire multipass femtosecond amplifier, Ti:Sapphire
regenerative femtosecond amplifier, mode-locked Ti:Sapphire oscillator,
diode lasers, Nd:YAG Q-switched pulse laser, diode pumped solid state (DPSS)
laser, tunable dye laser, excimer lasers, optical |
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j******e
发帖数: 50 | 7 Graduate from top 3 university in Canada, published 1st author APL papers
and will submit 1 PRL this month.
如果兄弟们的实验室有OPENING,希望通报一声。
本人有极强的 hand-on and creative skills. 以下是 technical skills.
• Lasers and ultrafast lasers
Expertise with Ti:Sapphire multipass femtosecond amplifier, Ti:Sapphire
regenerative femtosecond amplifier, mode-locked Ti:Sapphire oscillator,
diode lasers, Nd:YAG Q-switched pulse laser, diode pumped solid state (DPSS)
laser, tunable dye laser, excimer lasers, optical p |
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发帖数: 774 | 10 (CBS News) PENTAGON - Laser beams fired directly from U.S. Navy ships will
soon be used to protect American Navy boats targeted by unmanned drones --
using technology to burn the drones like a blow torch.
"This will indeed be the first, real world deployment of a directed energy
weapon," said.
According to Rear Admiral Matthew Klunder, the laser weapon will be deployed
in the Persian Gulf where Iranian speedboats and unmanned aerial vehicles -
- UAVs for short -- sometimes harass U.S. Navy ships... 阅读全帖 |
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w*******y
发帖数: 60932 | 11 Not sure how 'hot' the price is but I've been looking for weeks for a low
cost color laser for the kids 'computer art' with (most importantly) cheap
toner refills.
Tech for Less
Link:
http://www.techforless.com/cgi-bin/tech4less/224-3612
has a refurb Dell 1320c networkable color laser printer for 77.67 + shipping
(23.47)
Printer is nothing special and is a couple of years old but a full set of
toner is only $55 from meritline (2000 pages) and Amazon also has full toner
sets for $38. This compare... 阅读全帖 |
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w*******y
发帖数: 60932 | 12 Was $119.99
Now $59.99
Up to 19ppm print speed
Small footprint
Setup is a cinch with our secure, one-touch wireless connection.
The ulra small Samsung ML-1865W Wireless Black and White Laser Printer is
made to fit your specific needs. With its powerful wireless capabilities and
One Touch Wi-Fi Setting, you're no longer bound by cords, cables and wires.
Samsung introduces a smaller laser printer with greater convenience, the
Samsung ML-1865W Wireless Black and White Laser Printer. Wi... 阅读全帖 |
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w*******y
发帖数: 60932 | 13 I have NEVER seen a Lasermax guide rod laser sight this cheap for *any* semi
-auto, even *very* used ones on eBay. Cheapest on eBay at the moment is $
300 BIN for this one.
Link: Link:
http://iway.org/9562191
Notice the promo up top for the Free Hat too, option should already be
checked for you.
There are some >$200 listings on Google Shopping, all out of stock, all no
ETA.
IMO these are the best laser sight options for CCW (or period even) because
they do not alter the shape of the weapon, me... 阅读全帖 |
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h**G
发帖数: 9825 | 14 Limit 10!
Staples.com - Samsung, Canon or Brother mono laser printer for $49.99..valid
until 11/29/2014
Staples.com has the following printers for $49.99 Black Friday deal until 11
/29. The first two are wireless laser printers:
Samsung M2830DW Xpress Mono Laser Printer [staples.com]
Canon ImageCLASS LBP6030W Laser Printer [staples.com]
Brother HLL-2320D Mono Laser Printer [staples.com]
http://slickdeals.net/f/7444178-staples-com-samsung-canon-or-br |
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c**********e
发帖数: 276 | 15 今天大雪， 下午就溜到gaolfgalaxy逛逛。 他家正把GPS 和 Laser的测距仪摆在一个
长桌子的两侧， 供用户试。 GPS的在手机上的用过， 有些不方便的地方。 考虑弄个
laser的， 刚好把几款一对一比较。 选了店里的几个目标 （大概10码， 20码， 50码
并且目标颜色不一， 背景光亮程度不一样的目标）， 看看他们的表现吧， 就挑不好
的地方说：
1） Laser Link Eagle Rangefinder, 有一款是红色的， 150多刀，有一个红色激光点
对着目标。 最大问题： 对其中我选的大概20码的柱子， 测出的距离是40多， 误差太
大， 另外， 速度也不快。 就是便宜。
2） Bushnell Golf Tour v3 Laser Rangefinder， 手感一般， 对上目标， 20码的柱
子测出18码， 对大多数目标测得挺快， 就是对我选的20码的柱子测距时间有点长，
可以接受， $299
3) Callaway有两款， 看价格和外形， 没有特别之处， 试的愿望都没有， 没有试。
4) 以前没有听过 Leupold GX4i， 3i, 2i, a... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 115 | 16 Bought two, brand new. Only need one. From Florida.
New: A brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item in its original packaging
(where packaging is applicable).
Weighs 1.664oz (including battery) Lightest in class
Made of High strength Zytel Polymer
Sub-compact red laser sight with 100-lumens tactical light
Eye-dazzling 140-lumen strobe disorients attackers
Unlimited on-the-fly modes; flawless snag-free fit
The dim red dots of ordinary lasers can leave you vulnerable. The new
Viridian C5L-R pro... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 60932 | 17 IOGEAR GKM561R Wireless Multimedia Keyboard for HTPC w/ Laser Trackball and
Scroll Wheel $21.99/fs after $20 MIR
Wireless multimedia Keyboard ideal for HTPC. Lots of good reviews.
Link:
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/skusearch_v3.asp?scriteria=AA93005
Enjoy the freedom of wireless connectivity with IOGEAR's slim and ergonomic
wireless 2.4 GHz keyboard with built-in laser trackball. The 2.4 GHz
wireless keyboard and laser trackball combo allows you to work up to 33 feet
away from your computer. It... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 60932 | 19 Bushnell Laser Bore Sighter:
http://amzn.com/B001AGF9N6
$23.99, no tax or ship when using prime.
Price Drop ($2) - Amazon has this Bushnell Laser Boresighter with free
shipping.
"Save time and money when sighting a newly mounted scope with this Bushnell
laser boresighter. The device's bright, battery-powered laser makes rapid,
ultra-precise work of boresighting, so you won't waste any ammunition during
the process"
Includes arbors for .22- through .50-caliber firearms.
Runs on three LR-44 batter... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 60932 | 20 IOGEAR GKM561R Wireless Multimedia Keyboard for HTPC w/ Laser Trackball and
Scroll Wheel $27.99 shipped after $8 MIR
Link:
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SKUSearch.asp?px=DS&scriteria=AA9300
Description:
Enjoy the freedom of wireless connectivity with IOGEAR{sglquote}s slim and
ergonomic wireless 2.4 GHz keyboard with built-in laser trackball. The 2.4
GHz wireless keyboard and laser trackball combo allows you to work up to 33
feet away from your computer. It{sglquote}s the ideal solution for the
liv... 阅读全帖 |
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c*******a
发帖数: 303 | 21 paintball是和自己的朋友玩，Laser adventures是和一群小孩玩。
paintball中弹就出局，Laser adventures 中弹休息一下就可以再玩。
paintball在室外，Laser adventures 在室内。
paintball打中痛，Laser adventures 打中不痛。
如果没玩过Laser adventures，不妨玩一下。
和paintball类似的是airsoft,但在室内。在rockville的那个场20多人包场一晚，非周
末讲价后每人20-30刀。virginia有个大点的场，包场一晚每人30刀。现在天气冷，可
以穿多点衣服，给打中没那么痛。 |
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c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 23 (1) Beam It Up | Energy: Laser beams can deliver energy to machines
through thin air. This might be a good way to power drone aircraft or a
space elevator. Economist, Mar 10, 2011.
http://www.economist.com/node/18304136?story_id=18304136
("The laser, aimed from the ground at photovoltaic cells mounted on the [
drone] Pelican’s underside, charged the chopper’s battery")
Note: The article states, "LaserMotive, the Seattle company that designed
the Pelican’s laser system, won $900,000 by powering... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 476 | 24 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: veggie (走位飘忽), 信区: Military
标 题: Airborne Boeing laser blasts ground target
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Sep 3 17:53:55 2009, 美东)
摘要 12000lb重的机载化学激光器射了一次，轰了（蒸发了？）地面上的一个车辆。
Zapping things from the sky: Airborne Boeing laser blasts ground target
Boeing and the US Air Force today said that they fired Boeing’s Advanced
Tactical Laser at a ground target.
By Layer 8 on Tue, 09/01/09 - 3:51pm.
C-130The airborne military laser which promises to destroy, damage or
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发帖数: 10330 | 25 Pentagon Loses War to Zap Airborne Laser From Budget
The Airborne Laser would seem to be a viable target. It isn't nearly
powerful enough to hit far-away launch sites. The aircraft is essentially
a flying chemical plant, its interior filled with vats of toxic materials
used to power the laser.
Mr. Gates said in 2009 that a fully operational Airborne Laser fleet would
require 10 to 20 heavily modified 747s, each costing a billion and a half
dollars to build.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 359 | 26 前阵子被抓超速，申请not guilty 后，收到信说you are hereby directed to appear
before this court for a pre-trial conference, 但是说实话我还真不觉得自己当
时开到了80，警察说laser上显示的80，求问个关于laser的问题
1.laser能探测到多少米远的距离
2. laser在显示速度外，还会显示其他鉴别信息吗，比如车牌，来确定是哪两车。
第一次去法庭，pre-trial conference是什么意思？庭外和解吗？ |
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c**0
发帖数: 9331 | 27 我想要的物品:
HP P1005 Laser Printer $55+ML to CA
单张面值:
HP P1005 Laser Printer $55+ML to CA
可接受的价格(必须明码标价！):
HP P1005 Laser Printer $55+ML to CA
物品新旧要求:
HP P1005 Laser Printer $55+ML to CA
邮寄方式要求:
买卖双方谁承担邮寄损失(Required if not code only):
付款方式说明:
其他补充说明:
广告的有效期:
物品来源:
我的联系方式:
二手交易风险自负！请自行验证是否合法和一手卡！: |
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c**0
发帖数: 9331 | 28 我想要的物品:
HP P1005 Laser Printer $55+ML to CA
单张面值:
HP P1005 Laser Printer $55+ML to CA
可接受的价格(必须明码标价！):
HP P1005 Laser Printer $55+ML to CA
物品新旧要求:
HP P1005 Laser Printer $55+ML to CA
邮寄方式要求:
买卖双方谁承担邮寄损失(Required if not code only):
付款方式说明:
其他补充说明:
广告的有效期:
物品来源:
我的联系方式:
二手交易风险自负！请自行验证是否合法和一手卡！: |
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发帖数: 66 | 29 二手交易风险自负！请自行验证是否合法和一手卡！:
我想卖的物品:
Used SPYDER, SwissGear Wireless Laser Mouse
单张面值:
可接受价格(必须明码标价！):
$12
物品新旧要求:
This SwissGear Spyder wireless laser mouse is like new, in very good working
condition.
The SwissGear by Wenger Spyder Wireless Laser Mobile Mouse comes featured
with leading edge technology and high quality design. It comes standard with
a Precision Laser Sensor to provide better tracking and less hand movement.
Also included is a Precision Center-Scroll Wheel in a chrome accented
desi |
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c**0
发帖数: 9331 | 30 我想要的物品:
HP P1005 Laser Printer $55+ML to CA
单张面值:
HP P1005 Laser Printer $55+ML to CA
可接受的价格(必须明码标价！):
HP P1005 Laser Printer $55+ML to CA
物品新旧要求:
HP P1005 Laser Printer $55+ML to CA
邮寄方式要求:
买卖双方谁承担邮寄损失(Required if not code only):
付款方式说明:
其他补充说明:
广告的有效期:
物品来源:
我的联系方式:
二手交易风险自负！请自行验证是否合法和一手卡！: |
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c**0
发帖数: 9331 | 31 我想要的物品:
New Samsung Laser Printer ML-1630 @$105
单张面值:
New Samsung Laser Printer ML-1630 @$105
可接受的价格(必须明码标价！):
New Samsung Laser Printer ML-1630 @$105
物品新旧要求:
New Samsung Laser Printer ML-1630 @$105, new sealed
邮寄方式要求:
买卖双方谁承担邮寄损失(Required if not code only):
付款方式说明:
其他补充说明:
广告的有效期:
物品来源:
我的联系方式:
二手交易风险自负！请自行验证是否合法和一手卡！: |
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发帖数: 753 | 32 我脸上有一些痘疤和痘印，痘疤不深，大概都是最近1,2年留下的，常规的护肤品应该
不能消除了，可能laser是个选择。
去看过白人医生，说应该laser（fraxel之类）可以消除一大部分。但是价格实在让我
望而却步：至少要4-6次一个疗程，有可能需要2-3个疗程。至少要花5000-15000刀。这
不是要我命吗这也太贵了！
最近在法拉盛的一个美容院做脸，阿姨跟我说可以试试她们的Laser，也可以消痘印，1
/10的价格，如果买疗程还能更便宜.这个价格跟白人坑爹的价格比较很诱人啊~但是这
是不是太便宜了捏？
有没有JMS（GG也可以）用过白人的fraxel或者法拉盛的laser可以说一下效果的？
fraxel哪里价格便宜一点？法拉盛那个靠谱吗？有效果吗？要做几次？多谢了！！ |
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c******k
发帖数: 1140 | 33 由于我们本来是想制作一个半导体光放大器的，但是出来laser bar 以后，由于
waveguide facet 镀膜及加工7度角成本较大，就没作。如果没做这些处理的话，出来
的是一个标准的FP laser diode。这个laser diode 在30mA 就发激光@1540nm
wavelength.
请问：在加电流小于30mA时，这个laser diode 能用作semiconductor optical
amplifier吗？自己简单测了一下，好像不能放大光在1540nm.但不清楚为甚么？还是我
的测量有问题？ 谢谢！！ |
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c******k
发帖数: 1140 | 34 Tsunami Mode-locked Ti-sapphire Laser前面应该有个pump laser （见图）。这个
Tsunami Mode-locked Ti-sapphire Laser 有个cover, 挺沉的。只有拿掉这个cover,
才能把挡住pump laser光的挡片拨开，拨开后，cover就放不回去了，因为挡片连接的
一片铁片就顶起来了。不明白，为甚么需要这种设计，我把所有的参数调好后，cover
放回去，就可以正常使用的，还是有什么trick？ 谢谢！ |
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t*******e
发帖数: 216 | 35 你需要确认一下laser的强度（总功率，光斑大小，波长），通常成人在被可见激光扫
到的时候，人眼会应激性地躲避，使得激光不至于聚焦到视网膜上。至于宝宝是否有这
样的应激性，就因人而异了。
题外话：在很多情况下，红外（紫外）的激光会更危险，因为人眼看不到，视网膜聚焦
点会损伤，通常的临场表现是，你眼睛聚焦看哪里，哪里是模糊的，余光看其他地方是
清楚的。简单地比较激光与普通光功率是不科学的，激光为相干光，由于杂散光形成的
干涉会使得局部光功率密度达到本身的4倍。 另外由于激光通常为准直后的光（即平行
入射），遇到眼球晶状体会容易聚焦在视网膜上，因此危害要比普通光源大。
我认为任何一个即便是3D laser的专家，也不可能100%回答你的问题，或者说make you
comfortable. laser safety的专家只会告诉你如何避免激光损伤，而不是出现
incident之后的事情。
正确的处理是按照眼科医生的安排，每隔一段时间定期检查，他们才有能够诊断人眼损
伤的设备和专业知识。请教laser safety专家，避免以后再发生。
sorry this reply will not m... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****e
发帖数: 44 | 36 3X a lot, here are some details.I use 355nm laser from YAG laser as the pump
source, use BBO serve as the OPA nonlinear crystal. Single pulse has a
100ps pulse width.
The 355nm pump laser should has a 15% fluatation as our technichian said.
But how to measure the fluatation of the YAG laser and the OPA? Normally
what kind of powermeter should I use, and how long should I take the average
?
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发帖数: 52 | 37 【 以下文字转载自 EE 讨论区 】
发信人: silang (思朗算蓉鸡香餅), 信区: EE
标 题: 有关laser diode的问题
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Aug 26 15:13:23 2006)
需要做一个self-mixing的试验。有人知道怎么做么？就是让laser diode发出去的光被
物体反射回到laser diode里面和原来的光干涉。我需要 real time monitor这个干涉
的强度。我的问题是，用什么laser diode会成功？该去买哪种？
多谢。。。 |
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w*******y
发帖数: 60932 | 38 This is definitely a hot deal but i also intend this post to serve as a
warning. Please read the complete post before taking action.
Also this is my first post so go easy and reps are appreciated
Wicked Laser is selling a 1W blue laser for $200 with safety glasses.
Link:
http://www.wickedlasers.com/lasers/Spyder_III_Pro_Arctic_Series-96-37.html
I have never seen a laser even half as powerful below $2000. i don't know
how they are even allowed to sell it to any random fool without a license.
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w*******y
发帖数: 60932 | 39 5mW Green Laser Pointer Pen:
http://www.shop4tech.com/item8948.html
17% off coupon code TOP17 expires 09-05-2010
Specification
* Max Output: <= 5mW
* Wave Length: 532nm
* Output wave: Continuous wave
* Class: Class 3A (Class 3A rated Samsung Laser Chip)
* Power: 2 x AAA battery (now included in the gift box)
* Time to reach full laser strength: 0 to 60 seconds
* Comparison: About 2 times brighter than the 5mW green laser
* Length: 5.59 "
* Width: 0.51 "
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w*******y
发帖数: 60932 | 42 Newegg
Canon imageCLASS MF3240 Monochrome Laser All-in-One Printer = $79.99 with
free shipping
Link:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828102029
Small businesses need an affordable All-in-One Laser Printer. It saves space
and a ton of money! You don't have to buy 4 separate pieces of equipment
and find room for all of them. This is great for the office!
Accurately prepare multiple copies of reports, fax ad copy for approval or
print out multiple flyers with this laser printer... 阅读全帖 |
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w*******y
发帖数: 60932 | 44 Link:
http://www.meritline.com/led-laser-pointer-key-chain-torch-974-
2-LED with Laser Pointer Key Chain Black Torch Flashlight, Random Color
Features:
Brand new 2-LED + laser pointer keychain flashlight.
Powerful red laser pointer which can be seen over a mile.
Made with 11000 mcd bright LEDs, brighter than normal LEDs.
10000 hours of LED life-time.
Mini and light weight, great for emergency.
Aluminium body and durable.
With clip. You can use it as keychain or clip it at your backpack.
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发帖数: 60932 | 45 Newegg by ToolKing sells the Stanley 77-190 SP1X FatMax Laser Torpedo Level:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA02V01U0226
$9.99 + Free Shipping
Ends 7/26
Couldn't find this for less than $49 bucks anywhere else on Google:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Stanley 77-190 SP1X&tbm=shop&hl=en&aq=f
Professional grade pocket laser level with a magnetic base for all types of
leveling jobs Magnetic beam spreader lens with vials and 90-degree beam
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发帖数: 60932 | 46 OK trying this one again as well. I have this mini 1911. It is a sick
little gun and this with the laser is a crazy deal.
Link:
http://www.deansgunshop.com/SIG-SAUER-P238-380-6RD-BLK-W-LASER-
Deans Gun Shop offers Sig Sauer P238 .380 ACP Nitron with Laser. Reacting to
many requests from the marketplace for a subcompact SIG SAUER pistol,
engineers designed the new P238 as a smart looking, small handgun built with
the same accuracy and reliability as large frame SIG SAUER pistols. With an
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发帖数: 60932 | 48 Enter code: MLCK123FNL1
Free Shipping
Link:
http://www.meritline.com/led-laser-mini-flashlight---p-36504.as
LED Laser Point Mini Flashlight with Carabiner
The Flashlights are easy to carry, and it is a great outdoors companion! The
2 LED bright light torch flashlights are convenient, lightweight , portable
and economical. The Torches can be used in the car, office, home and
outdoor, in addition, it can be used for special occasion such as concert,
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发帖数: 10605 | 50 【 以下文字转载自 SmartShopper 俱乐部 】
发信人: GoRockets (火箭加油), 信区: SmartShopper
标 题: Staples Laser Printer Deal
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jun 1 20:32:21 2017, 美东)
Brother MFCL2700DW Mono Laser All-In-One Printer $129.99
Brother® HL-L2320D Monochrome Laser Printer $59.99
Brother® HLL2380DW Black and White Mono Laser Printer $99.99
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