g******a 发帖数: 667 | 1 Believe or not, there will be around 30~40 current players in Cooperstown.
Just maybe some one will need to wait 100 years before being voted in.
Forget about this, now let's focus on who is a lock-in now, and who gets very
good chance to be in, and who gets legitimate chance.
For discussion's sake, I will use Bill James' three famous HOF standards to
help sort out a list of current players that could be considered HOFs.
The 3 standards are:
Black Ink Test
HOF Monitor
HOF Career Standards
The de |
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g******a 发帖数: 667 | 2 Although my personal disfavor, Rocket might be among one of the most dominant
pitcher of all time. Ranked #3 in strikeouts, 310 wins with a winning
percentage .660, record-setting 6 Cy Young together with an MVP award, Rocket
is bound to be a first-ballot HOFer.
In HOF standards ranking, HOF monitor Clemens has 293 points, fourth only to
Walter Johnson, Cy Young and Christy Mathewson. In HOF career standards and
Black Ink, Clemens both ranks No.8.
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p**s 发帖数: 788 | 3 for this generation of baseball writers, 20 field players have been voted into
HOF in the past 20 years. average one per year.
if we consider a field player's career lasts average 15 years plus 5 year
waiting period, there should be about 20 players from this generation who
would be voted into HOF. But since we won't consider players with less than
5-yr MLB experience (like Pujols), only 15 active and recent retired everyday
players would be voted into HOF by baseball writers. (I hope everyone |
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z******9 发帖数: 1644 | 4 请问,HOF进非美国国籍的吗?
姚明年年被送上全明星,如果最后还进了HOF,那还真的是给HOF增加了一份中国特色。 |
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g***e 发帖数: 4074 | 5 马努和司机是肯定进去的,大家嫂也没有问题。马努和大家嫂带队在世锦赛和奥运会的
表现有目共睹,更别说作为二当家拿了不下一次的nba title。
看看萨布尼兹,好日子都没在nba,但是就凭进nba前在国际篮坛的神奇,足够他进HOF
说起来HOF的球员,平均每年都有3个左右,看看选秀各个年份,好些年还真不太好找能
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D*******e 发帖数: 12862 | 6 哎,其实也没什么了。。。
HOF太难进,好多人都在borderline上
这些人还是great players的,只不过没能稳定地强到all time greats的地步。。。但
是他们还是给local球迷带去了很多很多难忘的记忆的,其实这些也就够了。。。
romo解说星星弃妇那场时,星星主场给他做了一个tribute video,romo挺感动的,我看
了以后也觉得挺感动的
我估计我们的hasselbeck大概也不会是HOF。。。
还有parker,ginobili可能也不会是,josh beckett估计也不会是。。。无所谓了,反
正我会一直记得他们 :)
水手的主场旁边有条路叫edgar martinez drive,每次我从那边路过时都会想,他迄今
还没有进HOF,都ballot了六七年了可能有。。。他大概永远也进不去了。。。但是,
他仍然可以骄傲地说,雅图有条路是以我的名字命名的。。。 |
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m********y 发帖数: 3408 | 7 劳动节周末,凄风苦雨,寒气逼人,偶们就这么踏上了去HOF的路。
感想1:忒远了。来回溜溜开了8个小时,当然偶都没有开了。
偶的任务就是睡觉。睡醒了,版三说“小驴,吃个桃子吧”
偶就吃桃子,然后擦擦嘴,8g一下zzf的女盆友们,然后继续睡。
感想2:HOF还是挺有意思的,如果有精力,在里面蹲两天,搞清楚所以人的8g,
也是件挺不容易的事情。
偶了解比较多的,还是养鸡的,其他人,偶就会说“哦,就是那谁啊。。。”
感想3:见得很多真正的棒球饭,领着小孩,讲解球队球员的历史,都一套一套的
感想4:故乡味很好吃。。。
感想5:在那看了个美国相声,叫Who's on first,回来google一下,
发现居然还是很有名的段子,连wiki都有专门的注解,偶又固陋了
推荐大家去看一下
下面,等待版三的8g。。。 |
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p****a 发帖数: 936 | 8 1.真的是好远!!早上一早6点出门,一路开到大家肚子都饿了,停下来用膳.路上和ZZF同
学就喜欢麦当牢还是喜欢汗包王的早餐开展了激烈的辩论,结果以偶屈服于他的麦当牢
告终.因为路上没有看见汗包王.
2.路上偶们两个养鸡饭和ZZF这个红袜饭坚持不懈地斗争...他说不过的时候总是说:"你
们人多,我不说了"...不过过不久,他就又开始说他们红袜的未来是如何如何有希望...
3.HOF还是很不错的..如果是养鸡饭,偶个人觉得真是值得去啊....因为太多的养鸡的历
史在那里了....有个区叫历史回顾区,把每个10年里面牛的队伍列出来,还附上些真人物
件以供景仰...偶顺着1900往下走,每个队都看的很仔细,然后发现没过个一段时间,就可
以看到养鸡队的人和物,因此很满足.红袜在世纪初的时候还是有点名气的...后来就不
行了:))
4.HOF里面还有个区是每个MLB队伍的区,每个队伍的八卦都在板上写的清清楚楚...奇怪
的是有很多队伍展出的人都已经不在那个队了,拿他们做陈列标兵是不是认可他们是队
里标志的意思?比如PHILLY的标志人物是拖米和阿布,看着怪怪的....还好红袜没有拿
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b*****6 发帖数: 179 | 9 It's still a long way to go:
1) There isn't a single DH in HOF. Edger Martinez, widely regarded best DH
before Papi, still waits to get in.
2) Link to PED. Ortiz was tested positive in 03 according to Mitchell report
. Voters now are crazily sensitive to PED. Look are Craig Biggio and Jeff
Bagwell. They both have HOF numbers and no link to PED. They don't get votes
simply because they are muscular like PED users. |
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z******n 发帖数: 1223 | 11 很可能2004红袜打线一个能在有效期过半之前入选HOF的都没有——Damon可能是最早的
,希望18年后Varitek在有效期第十五年压哨进HOF(他的各项数据都很不看好:()
Schilling可能也要挣扎很久,Pedro基本前三投稳进,Francona即便能进咱们都得好几
十岁了 |
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b*****6 发帖数: 179 | 12 It's still a long way to go:
1) There isn't a single DH in HOF. Edger Martinez, widely regarded best DH
before Papi, still waits to get in.
2) Link to PED. Ortiz was tested positive in 03 according to Mitchell report
. Voters now are crazily sensitive to PED. Look are Craig Biggio and Jeff
Bagwell. They both have HOF numbers and no link to PED. They don't get votes
simply because they are muscular like PED users. |
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z******n 发帖数: 1223 | 14 很可能2004红袜打线一个能在有效期过半之前入选HOF的都没有——Damon可能是最早的
,希望18年后Varitek在有效期第十五年压哨进HOF(他的各项数据都很不看好:()
Schilling可能也要挣扎很久,Pedro基本前三投稳进,Francona即便能进咱们都得好几
十岁了 |
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p****t 发帖数: 11416 | 15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Mullin_(basketball)
个人:
For five consecutive seasons, from 1988 until 1993, Mullin scored an average
of 25 or more points and five rebounds. He became the only Warrior player
besides Wilt Chamberlain ever to have five consecutive 25-ppg seasons.
球队:
Additionally, the Warriors made five straight playoff appearances.
相比之下,姚明打得挺好,但是没啥特别值得称道的亮点,球队成绩一直也是时好时坏
基本上缺乏吸引力。HOF,重点在Fame
当然,也有靠资历混进名人堂的,不过如果看资历,姚明参加的比赛、得分、季后赛
都只有CM的一半甚至不到1/3
http://www.nba.com/history/players... 阅读全帖 |
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A*****e 发帖数: 29772 | 16 你应该去看看sabonis怎么进hof的,历史上没进hof的fmvp可不止一个 |
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h**********g 发帖数: 3962 | 17 不是HOF的状元有很多。但是顺位不在前十名的HOF
就不是太多吧?我来列几个。大家补充。
斯达克顿(16)
米勒 (11)
下面两个是铁定的:
科比(13)
纳什(15)
这个有可能:
老鱼(24)
这说明什么?球队走眼?球员敬业?球员机遇? |
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n*****m 发帖数: 9872 | 18 萨博尼斯进了么?
HOF都什么标准?如果要有几个硬指标,万众瞩目的主席同志,肯定是够呛
HOF |
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c*******9 发帖数: 6411 | 19 if he is in the laker team with Kobe, he will get rings and he will be worth
HOF..?
he is the same guy playing in houston.
looking at a lot of HOFs (ray allen ..etc), 给YAO提鞋都不配。 |
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E**y 发帖数: 1018 | 20 估计不可能是第一票,红鸟钢人超级碗前夜,有人问peter king warner是不是hof,
king还是一副很不知可否的样子。king自己是hof的投票人,他的态度肯定反映了不少
人的态度。warner吃亏在打的时间不够。 |
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 21 【 以下文字转载自 NCAA 讨论区 】
发信人: brmj (pricedropfinder.com), 信区: NCAA
标 题: drew brees正式向HOF迈进
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 7 21:30:08 2010, 美东)
再保持状态3年赢个2nd super bowl也能进HOF了 |
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B*****e 发帖数: 9375 | 22 嗯,总算有个靠谱的,
不像其他动不动就是“那谁谁谁该是第一票进HOF罢?”
DB还是很难的,他和PM/TB是同时代的人,
紧跟着又是有大奔小河的04年那一届。
But, yes, we can now start mentioning Drew Brees and HOF in the same
sentence.
球了 |
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P*******e 发帖数: 39399 | 23 就是 你看我被你教育的 赛季结束前都说ap有hof追求有hof追求
当然不马上断腿 我看基本已经进了 第一年那是想都不敢想了 |
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r****p 发帖数: 1949 | 24 如果有Kicker能进HOF,Gary Anderson应该是首选。
如果ring多就能进HOF,Charles Haley 应该是首选,他有5只rings (49ers 2只,
Cowboys 3只)。 |
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D*******e 发帖数: 12862 | 25 arod和pedro还用worry HOF嘛。。。都是first ballot HOF啊。。。这些人都不知道是
几轮ballot之后才进的了,呵呵
ivan在我家fish混过,beckett是fish -> red sox,你没饭过红袜啊?我还以为你是涅
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T*******e 发帖数: 4110 | 26 还有就是Moss,Junior, but they built their HOF long before being Pats,
especially Junior. Seymour is possible, outside looking in. Gronk is a
shooin if he can play long enough. AV is a kicker...it takes many years for
a kicker to get into HOF. Rodney Harrison is also possible. Logan Mankins
and Vince Wilfork are also possible.
So for players, Brady, Moss, Junior, Ty Law, Seymour(probable, not shoe in),
Gronk (shoe in assuming more years to play at this level), AV (many years
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D*******e 发帖数: 12862 | 27 我觉得怎么定义摸都没关系。。。
季后赛只是对我们脑子里面对他们的定位影响深远
大家总是热衷于去argue一个人面啊不面啊的这些
但是真到了讨论进HOF的时候,基本就是数据说话,尤其常规赛季数据说话。。。
tmac有过拿得分王的时候吧,至少好几个赛季他都平均分第一第二吧
这种人的数据不会差的
就像伪ace,大家再怎么笑话他季后赛面
凭他so far的常规赛成就HOF已经差不多妥妥地锁定了。。。 |
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w********u 发帖数: 1815 | 28 是的呀,tmac就是靠两届scoring champion进的HOF。
不知道以后Ross会不会进,好像MVP最后都进HOF了 |
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t********t 发帖数: 5415 | 29 数据挺强大的,不过...现在HOF里有专职的closer吗?估计过几年才会有个mo... |
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B*****t 发帖数: 3012 | 30 Paul Molitor already in HOF.
David Ortiz no shot at all.. |
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n*******e 发帖数: 2213 | 32 none of these is HOF-worthy ah. :) |
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n*******e 发帖数: 2213 | 33 how can the career hit leader not be in the HOF? :) |
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n*****n 发帖数: 1361 | 34 There's no such thing for NBA. It's Naismith Basketball HOF. |
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n*****n 发帖数: 1361 | 37 There's no such thing for NBA. It's Naismith Basketball HOF. |
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n*******e 发帖数: 2213 | 41 hypocritic. :)
it sounds like he did not know mcguire and conseco used steroids. it sounds
like his 2000+ wins had nothing to do with roid users in his club house.
of course steroid users should be in. they are the best of their generation,
which should the only criterion for HOF selection. |
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K**7 发帖数: 6610 | 42 第七年了
终于进去了
太空人第二个
第一个是他的队友Biggio
随着去年Piazza的入选
Steroid Era的球员开始排队进入HOF了
今年还把当年带头大哥Selig选进去了
棒子,火箭估计也快了,今年得票率都大大提升 |
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B*****s 发帖数: 508 | 43 马努 和 唱戏。多选几次能不能选上。还是一点戏都没有。
牛起来都很牛,唱戏有一次决赛mvp, 马努也是05马刺夺冠的准mvp。如果再来一次总决
赛mvp呢?
马努是国际球员,对HOF评选来说是不是该加点分? |
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B*****s 发帖数: 508 | 44 是不是这样的球员太多,
如果他们这种类型的能选上,是不是HOF会变的很水?
罗得曼 和 木桶伯 呢 |
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e****e 发帖数: 931 | 46 Well, it is called Basketball Hall of Fame, not NBA HOF.
Even Jerry Buss is nominated. hehe |
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P**********n 发帖数: 212 | 48 随便找几个冠军队的龙套就想混 hof 都脑残了吧
跟chuck hayes相比较的人,那真是龙套中的龙套了 |
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m****o 发帖数: 264 | 49 who said horry's going to hof? |
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