b*****u
发帖数: 1978 | 1 Tigers trying to make a blockbuster
By Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff December 4, 07 02:12 PM
NASHVILLE - While the Red Sox, Yankees, and Twins have dominated the news
here at the winter meetings so far, the Detroit Tigers might be trying to
steal everyone's thunder.
They are currently in talks on two possible blockbuster deals. One of them
with Oakland would center around coveted righthander Dan Haren, while the
other with Florida is keyed on third baseman Miguel Cabrera and possibly
both Cabrera a |
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w*****n
发帖数: 937 | 3 if that blockbuster deal went through, I don't think Tigers will have the
resources to land Haren. |
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m*********r
发帖数: 4692 | 4 Homer bailey for Haren, haha |
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a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 5 Bomberman for Haren!
(just joking....) |
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w*****n
发帖数: 937 | 6 wow, 6 for 1,
don't know much about the Dbacks farm system.
But their rotation with Webb/Haren on the top, wow. |
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G*******s
发帖数: 265 | 7 nod,if Haren can be healthy for 2-3 years (a big if...), this could be a win
-win trade. |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 8 D'Backs made another very interesteing trade today. Valverde to Astros
for Chad Qualls, Chris Burke and Juan Gutierrez.
Now Astros have traded away their closer and closer-to-be, what is
in Ed Wade's bag of tricks? Astros have a pretty solid offense right
now, but the pitching is depleted after Oswalt.
D'backs seems to be destined for quite a run in the next few years.
Let's hope Haren won't go through the path that so many former A's
have gone through.
all
deal
Anderson
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J*C
发帖数: 4579 | 9 旅美投手陳偉殷在今天(23日)與天使的比賽終於突破第6局魔咒，繳出6.1局失1分、5K
的優質內容，可惜隊友火力支援來的晚，無緣大聯盟生涯第2場勝投。
陳偉殷大聯盟前2次登板都在第6局出包，但2場都只各失2分自責，並在前場對上白襪的
比賽拿下大聯盟生涯首勝；今天他終於有更上層樓的演出。
陳偉殷此役唯一失手出現在第4局，該局2出局後被Vernon Wells敲二壘打、Alberto
Callaspo適時安打失掉1分，除此之外陳偉殷都能有效解決打者，5次三振中的2次是賞
給去年季後重金來到洛杉磯的Albert Pujols，至於賽前嗆說會出現全壘打的Torii
Hunter不僅沒敲安打，也被三振1次。
總計陳偉殷6.1局投球共用96球其中58球好球，期間只被擊出5支安打失1分，三振5次但
也有3次保送，使得自責分率從3.27降至2.60。這也是陳偉殷大聯盟生涯首次的優質先
發內容。
可惜陳偉殷退場前，金鶯打者也遭到Dan Haren的壓制，直到8局下半1出局、2人上壘情
況下天使後援投手Scott Downs上場才有起色，Endy Chave安打形成滿壘，Nick
Markakis一棒讓陳... 阅读全帖 |
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H*******o
发帖数: 504 | 10 a's的投手大都不是自产，而是通过低买高卖搞来的，milone是gio换来的几个prospect
里评级最低的，parker和cook是cahill换来的，anderson是haren换来的，再往前数gio
又是swisher换来的。
a's这样拿今天换明天从远古三巨头开始已经搞了很多年了(haren就是mulder换来的)，
本来也没啥前途，今年邪门就在打手突然发标 |
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p******n
发帖数: 9144 | 11 猴娃为啥不给haren做思想工作啊？..明显haren可以表现的更好的
There
telling
go
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m********5
发帖数: 17667 | 12 荷兰小镇一名少女在社交网站facebook邀请朋友出席其16岁生日派对，结果邀请帖被广
传，有数千人同时涌往参加，有人乘机大肆捣乱，防暴警察到场驱散，事件导致6人受
伤，20人被捕。
荷兰北部人口仅1.8万的小镇哈伦（Haren），一少女早前在fb邀人出席其16岁生日派对
。她原本仅希望举行小型派对，但忘记把邀请设定为私人活动，结果邀请在fb上广传，
十多万人收到邀请，当中逾2万人回复参加。事件引来当地警方注意，上周五封锁少女
寓所外的街道，又安排少女离家。
多达4000人当日到达少女的住所希望出席派对，大部分为年轻人。由于警方封锁少女寓
所外的街道，又安排少女离开，令示威者不满，事件最后演变成骚乱，他们袭击警察，
向他们掟石、玻璃樽，甚至是单车和花盆。他们更毁坏商店并抢劫，又纵火烧车及破坏
灯柱和路牌。600名防暴警察到场驱散搞事者，最少20人被捕，事件中6人受伤，3人情
况严重。
警方发言人茨瓦玛（Melanie Zwama）表示：「该名少女在fb上把派对邀请发送给朋友
，她的朋友把邀请转发，很快这项邀请就在网上疯传。」当中一个有份转载邀请的网站
指出，超过15万人收到邀请。该网站... 阅读全帖 |
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v*******8
发帖数: 1013 | 13 华人那个，贼奇葩，你给别人复制的好好的link，结果一发送，就被系统篡改了，硬生
生把一些字符替换成haren字样了。
我反正发了几个都不行。 |
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e**o
发帖数: 3389 | 14 今天这场比赛的最大看点是两个former Cy Young Award's 得主的较量。。 barry
zito 又找回了以前的感觉，8 个innings只让对方4个 hits和 3个walks。 那个Johan
Santana
头四个innings，已经送给偶们A's 2 runs 了。在加上MVP呼声很高的Frank Thomas的
神勇表现，两个homerun. A's 客场拿下双胞胎。。 在干掉了对手的王牌投手之后，A'
s出项形势一片大好。 Esteban Loaiza 和 Dan Haren 已经整装待发。Rich Harden 虎
视眈眈，不过恐怕也不用上场了。。 Let's go Oakland!! |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 15 Beckett, Lackey, or even Haren and Escobar. I feel bad for
CC, Carmona, and Vazquez. They always keep their teams in game,
but the run support is just horrible, and even worse their
teammates betray them in defense, too. |
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a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 16 damn, I wonder what tigers is gonna give up in order to pull this off. |
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w*****n
发帖数: 937 | 17 the current rumor is:
Miguel & D-train for Andrew Miller, Cameron Maybin and other 4 players.
That almost empties the Tigers' farm system.
Marlins are piling up talents again. |
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w*****n
发帖数: 937 | 18 The Reds farm system is loaded. |
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 20 怎么Santana暂停之后，那些个Haren,Bedard,Sheets之类的blockbuster
都没下文了 |
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G*******s
发帖数: 265 | 23 A's现在的想法就是攒一堆小孩，到新球场建成的时候希望能出成绩，还是个不错的计划
all
deal
Anderson
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 24 关键是没钱。搬到新球场以后，硅谷的IT民工们就能弥补
chokeland棒球流氓的空白吗？
计划 |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 26 如果A's通过搬家能洗心革面重新做人跟那些垃圾球迷和咳药球员
分手倒也是件好事，不过我看很难。 |
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m*m
发帖数: 260 | 27 那总是他们自己地盘或者曾经呆过, 支持有什么不可以
比住在外州只会溜沟子舔痔的强 |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 28 valverde was offered arbitration and I think he is still under control
for at least two more seasons. He has very little leverage and D'back
does not have to trade him away.
Chad Qualls is not bad. The guy has filthy stuff. I've got this so-called
"east coast bias" because I do not watch NLW/ALW teams play. But Valverde's
ERA+ sure fluctuates. May not be a trade for D'backs. |
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a***n
发帖数: 5665 | 31 i believe closers are replaceable. |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 32 Nod nod, at least half of the closers are just good relievers.
But great closers are extremely important for a team's success.
Guys like Rivera, Wagner, Putz and Papelbon are too good to be
replaceable. |
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a***n
发帖数: 5665 | 33 agreed. i doubr Valverde belongs to that group tho. even KRod, i am not sure. |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 34 I do not think Valverde belongs. But K-Rod may be among that group.
His ERA+ has been consistently well above average over his career.
His KPIP and WHIP indicate he is not a fluke.
sure. |
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a***n
发帖数: 5665 | 35 也可能是因为我看他们比赛多，几次BS对我印象比较深。 |
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 36 只有Hamels幸免，加上今天出场的Haren. |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 38 His wife is HOT. hehe
He will not rank top 3 in NL if you ask me. Peavy, CC and Santana are better
. Webb probably is better too. Hamels is at the same group as Lincecum, Oswa
lt, Haren, which is not bad on its own. |
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r**********e
发帖数: 2821 | 39 对，那个好像也是A级，呵呵，不过Haren后来又被trade了后，换来的没有原来爽了。 |
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 40 Haren换来的人也还凑合，没哪个比Mulder更垃圾的 |
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r**********e
发帖数: 2821 | 41 haren换得，grade B+,
twins那个用santana换了一堆垃圾，可以比一下
这个据说比twins换来的更垃圾
Oakland's grade: D-. Meyer stagnated in Oakland because of arm problems
before resurrecting his career in the Marlins' bullpen. Thomas fell off
the map in 2007, and Cruz contributed 32 2/3 innings with the A's before
being traded to Arizona for Brad Halsey. Oakland's return for Hudson is
one step above the proverbial bag of balls. |
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a********l
发帖数: 39524 | 42 one critical thing: two voters did not include carpenter on their vote (one
was keith law from espn). they went for javier vazquez and dan haren. if
those two votes had been given to carp, he would have at least tied lincecum.
now someone try to tell why. |
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M***o
发帖数: 980 | 43 其实就算他们俩included carpenter, carpenter would not have won cy yooung.
per espn, "Carroll voted Wainwright first, Lincecum second and Arizona's Dan
Haren third. Law voted Lincecum first, Atlanta's Javier Vazquez second and
Wainwright third."
that being said, carpenter would come up with 98, trailing Tim Lincecum.
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Prob
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c********x
发帖数: 232 | 44 我收回我批评Keith Law的话 -- I was ignorant. Thought each voter chooses
10 players, just like how MVP was voted.
If every voter just votes 3, I have no problem anyone is left off the
ballot. Vazquez had a good year, so was Haren. No problem they collect
some votes.
Dan
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a********l
发帖数: 39524 | 45 圣路易斯媒体的评论节选，虽然是本地报道，还是值得读读：
ESPN's Keith Law placed hard-luck Atlanta Braves pitcher Javier Vazquez
second on his ballot and Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus listed
Diamondbacks ace and former Cardinal prospect Dan Haren third.
Both came at Carpenter's expense as Lincecum and Wainwright received mention
on every ballot. Two additional second-place votes for Carpenter would have
left him tied with Lincecum.
"If it was left to how I felt from a scouting perspective I would have had
one of the C |
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w*********y
发帖数: 590 | 46 除了Reds，Oakland A's是全联盟我最喜欢的队了
从十年多前的Hudson，Zito，Mulder就开始关注他们
记得我买的第一张棒球海报就是他们仨的
这Big Three加上Giambi，Chavez，Tejada称霸AL West有不短的时间
只可惜季后赛一直被Yankees压着干
印象最深的无疑是2001 ALDS第三场Jeter的那个flip play了
Big Three散伙后A's就变得很另类
Billy Beane一直小本经营，却还是有一定的竞争能力
而且又不断有好的投手涌出来
像早一些的Harden，Haren
到现在的Braden，Cahill，Brett Anderson，Gio Gonzalez
这4个都是很有前途的年轻投手
不过可能过两年又会被trade到其它大的market去了
可是他们打击一直都很烂，除了Frank Thomas在的那一年
纵观整个MLB，跟A's经营理念，人员结构和战绩类似的就只有Marlins了吧 |
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w*****r
发帖数: 405 | 47 Mulder is worse, Dan Haren was given up...
single
one. |
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s****n
发帖数: 4266 | 48 100. Aroldis Chapman
99. Carlos Santana
98. Grady Sizemore
97. Jacoby Ellsbury
96. Jose Valverde
95. Elivs Andrus
94. Tori Hunter
93. Justin Mornerau
92. Vernon Wells
91. Brian Roberts
90. Michael Young
89. Colby Rasmus
88. Yadier Molina
87. Scott Rolen
86. Jason Bay
85. Austin Jackson
84. David Ortiz
83. Vladimir Guerrero
82. Shane Victorino
81. Jay Bruce
80. Curtis Granderson
79. Jose Reyes
78. Justin Upton
77. Nick Markakis
76. Mike Stanton
75. Rafael Soriano
74. Mark Reynolds
73. Dan Haren
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JZ
发帖数: 437 | 49 NL看到过Dan Haren代打，按说不奇怪，但印象里好像他还代跑过。 |
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H*******o
发帖数: 504 | 50 就是这样啊，换走的都是正经好使的，就算能以一换多，prospect成材率很难讲，而且
还得快速成才顶上缺口，指望着越换球队越好实在是不现实。王道还是自己农场输送来
牛人锦上添花。
A's换来的打手基本都bust掉了，现在的cris carter倒是haren换来的。 |
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