w*******g 发帖数: 9932 | 1 it's actually lot of Canadian Ginseng. it's true because Canada has lot of
land
many Canadian Ginseng farmers have connection with Wisconsin anyway
Ginseng farming requires virgin land. that is, after planting Ginseng for a
few years, the land is no longer usable anymore for many years and you got
to rotate to new land. |
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d******e 发帖数: 1424 | 2 http://www.jiansnet.com/topic/718/Best-Gift-For-Chinese-Back-Ho
每次回国送什么带什么礼物最是让人头疼, 买的东西要既合心意又能体现美国特色, 还
最好不超出预算, 挺不容易的. 很多美国的东西其实都是中国制造, 而国内的人还就讲
究要美国的, 不要中国制造的, 因为Made in China给人感觉档次不够, 从美国带一个
中国制造的东西太寒酸了.
还有, 国内的人讲究名牌, 买一件不是啥牌子的东西回去, 收礼的人也瞧不上. 再者,
中国人收礼, 除了看名牌还看价格. 国内没有礼轻情意重一说, 感情好不好, 就要看送
礼价格高不高了. 即使这东西看上去不咋地, 但是一个好牌子, 价格足够让人养眼, 那
收礼人对送礼人绝对是敬仰.
总之, 对于带回国的礼品, 需要精挑细选, 以下是笔者经过几次回国外加研究搜集的回
国送礼清单, 贡献出来希望对大家有所帮助.
1. 给父母亲戚的送礼礼物
(gift for parents and relatives back in China)
保健品类
Fish Oil 鱼油
含有EPA和D... 阅读全帖 |
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e****y 发帖数: 271 | 3 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: eulogy (eulogy), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: 连美国西洋参也是中国产的??
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Feb 17 08:22:46 2010, 美东)
在walmart和CVS买一些洋参丸(American ginseng)带回国,walmart只有一种ginseng,
叫做korean ginseng, CVS也只有一种叫Ginseng- Chinese Red.
美国流行亚洲参,,
国内流行花旗参??
还是花旗参本身就是垃圾??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Ginseng |
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p*****1 发帖数: 128 | 4 人参的季节快到了, 有没有人组织去挖人参的?
Ginseng Digging Season Starts Sept. 1
8/7/2008
CHARLESTON, W.Va. – Division of Forestry officials announced today that the ginseng digging season starts Monday, Sept. 1 and runs through Sunday, Nov. 30.
Only ginseng plants that are five years old or older may be dug. The age of the plant is determined by the number of prongs; only plants with three or more prongs are considered old enough to harvest. West Virginia law mandates that anyone digging ginseng is required to |
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h********r 发帖数: 3291 | 5 还有这种好事?Wonder how hard/easy it is to find ginseng.
the
ginseng digging season starts Monday, Sept. 1 and runs through Sunday, Nov.
30.
of
the plant is determined by the number of prongs; only plants with three or
more
prongs are considered old enough to harvest. West Virginia law mandates
that
anyone digging ginseng is required to replant the seeds from the parent
plant
in the spot where it was harvested.
Virginia ginseng dealer or have roots weight-receipted at one of the
Division
of Forest |
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h********r 发帖数: 3291 | 6 THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST IN WV GINSENG.
THE LAW REQUIRES IF YOU DO NOT OWN THE PROPERTY THAT YOU MUST HAVE
WRITTEN PERMISSION TO HARVEST GINSENG FROM ANY PROPERTY.
GINSENG DIGGING IS NOT ALLOWED ON ANY STATE PARK, STATE FOREST OR
WILDLIFE RESOURCE AREA.
THE MONONGAHELA NATIONAL FOREST ISSUES PERMITS TO HARVEST ONE POUND OF
GREEN GINSENG IN THEIR NATIONAL FOREST. YOU WILL NEED TO CONTACT THE
DISTRICT OFFICE IN THE AREA YOU PLAN ON VISITING. FOR MORE INFORMATION
REGARDING THE OFFICES YOU CAN |
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s***o 发帖数: 1189 | 7
Strongly recommend this farmer.
I ordered from them for over $300 last year and all my family members loved
their products. Just by smelling their ginseng would feel refreshing. Myself
personal favorite is the 1lbs tea package.
This year, i tried and bought some jumbo ginseng from anther big bend farmer
(recommended also here, and a little more expensive) and their ginseng
arrived this Monday. I can easily tell the quality is as good.
Then I placed an order from schumacherginseng and I guess I... 阅读全帖 |
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s**********h 发帖数: 436 | 8 As far as cultivated ginseng is concerned, a couple of pounds is not a
problem at all. We went through the customs at Shanghai airport last month.
Wild ginseng is so expensive that it’s out of reach for most people.
Cultivated ginseng will always contain some insecticide and other chemicals.
I just have to assume the benefits outweigh the side effects.
By the way, I replied to your post at “food” forum on a different topic.
Good luck! |
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Z*********1 发帖数: 627 | 9 到这儿买, 东西绝对正宗优质.
http://www.marathonginseng.com/Store/price.php
我师兄现在是Wisconsin Marathon最大的华人参场主. 都自个地里挖的, 绝对正宗优质威州花旗
参.
Wisconsin Ginseng (limited to Marathon area)/Marathon Ginseng is
recognized as the best quality American ginseng in the world. |
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b***b 发帖数: 13249 | 10 Review by Dr. Zhu:
发信人: ZhuEyeCare1 (波士顿眼科医生), 信区: Boston
标 题: Re: 跪求美国花旗参信息
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jan 31 21:41:00 2012, 美东)
到这儿买, 东西绝对正宗优质.
http://www.marathonginseng.com/Store/price.php
我师兄现在是Wisconsin Marathon最大的华人参场主. 都自个地里挖的, 绝对正宗优质
威州花旗
参.
Wisconsin Ginseng (limited to Marathon area)/Marathon Ginseng is
recognized as the best quality American ginseng in the world.
我看着不错, 价格也好。 想买。 |
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r********m 发帖数: 593 | 11 这楼包括Sekkisei, SK-II, Sulwasoo (雪花秀), StriVictin, and YSL
===Sekkisei雪肌精=== 图1
除非特别说明, 小样均为瓶装
Emulsion Excellent 乳液, 正品
IC421A
Size 140mL (full size)
Qty 2
Value 65.00
Price 25.00 each
Buy one, get one sample (9mL) free
Emulsion 乳液
GC931A
Size 20mL
Qty 2
Value 7.00
Price 3.00 each
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Herbal Esthetic Mask 面膜, 正品
AD121A
Size 150mL (full size)
Value 58.00
Price 22.00
Lotion 明星产品
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h****e 发帖数: 268 | 12 最后在http://www.schumacherginseng.com/Page3.html上买了。
推荐的http://www.chinatownonlineusa.com/ginseng.htm的很多都卖光了。
据说现在很多都是掺了大陆产的花旗参。上了www.ginsengboard.com,上面找到了两家
在美国的认证经销商.
# Prince of Peace Enterprises - In the U.S., Prince of Peace is a very
popular brand of American ginseng sold in Asian markets throughout the U.S.
# Great Neck Healthy Food Company - Concentrating its sales on the east
coast of the U.S., Canada, and Hong Kong. Great Neck Healthy Food Company is
very particular about the type of gi... 阅读全帖 |
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T*******m 发帖数: 27308 | 13 Yes, you can grow American ginseng in the north eastern US, although I have
never grown it myself. As far as I know, ginseng must grown under half-shady
conditions, so you will need to create a shady environment first.
American ginseng is native to US and can be found in forests in easter US,
if you recognize it.
was
hard |
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c*******g 发帖数: 80 | 14 Jamieson Red Dragon™ Imperial Ginseng
INGREDIENT INFORMATION
Available as 60 caplets. Each caplet contains:
Ginseng ..............................................................500 mg
(Ginsengs derived from Shiu Chu, Tien Chi, Red
Kirin, Prince, Adenophora, Salvia, Scrophulara,
Codonopsis and Polygonum with Astragalus
Ganoderma Mushroom and Lycii Berry)
里面有田七,太子参,何首乌,当身,黄芪,灵芝,枸杞,玄参,丹参,沙参还有两个不知道是什么参的成分(这两个是主要成分),应该是中国人参之类的(Central to the Red Dragon™ formula is a combination of Shiu C |
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m*****l 发帖数: 1292 | 15 这个好玩~
我要去我要去!!!!
the ginseng digging season
starts Monday, Sept. 1 and runs through Sunday, Nov. 30.
of the plant is determined
by the number of prongs; only plants with three or more prongs are
considered old enough to harvest.
West Virginia law mandates that anyone digging ginseng is required to
replant the seeds from the
parent plant in the spot where it was harvested.
Virginia ginseng dealer or have
roots weight-receipted at one of the Division of Forestry weigh stations.
without a weight |
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x******g 发帖数: 33885 | 16 Chinese Tariffs’ Perfect Target: American Ginseng
A U.S.-China trade war threatens Wisconsin growers of a product that is
popular in China but infrequently consumed in the U.S.
By Chuin-Wei Yap
April 25, 2018 1:54 p.m. ET
Over the past 44 years, Paul Hsu beat snowstorms and cancer to build a
thriving business selling American ginseng to customers in China, where the
root is prized as a traditional elixir. |
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m********e 发帖数: 3562 | 18 this is the most famous wisc ginseng farm website where i always bought from
. it may not have the best price but the quality should be good.
as you google "wisconsin ginseng", it comes up first.
http://www.schumacherginseng.com/ |
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S*****s 发帖数: 188 | 20 【 以下文字转载自 Rite_aid 俱乐部 】
发信人: Savings ($$$), 信区: Rite_aid
标 题: Re: 请教哪里买花旗参?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 19 18:13:06 2011, 美东)
关于西洋参,我把bbs上所有的信息都汇总起来过,在这儿贡献一把吧:
Wisconsin Ginseng是美国种殖西洋参,质量很好。好多中国超市卖的西洋参是国内种
植又卖到美国的,便宜很多,质量也很差。也有加拿大出的,质量也不如威斯康星参,
一是水土的原因,另外因为加拿大对农药的用量控制较松,所以如果买加拿大的参有可
能农药含量较高。
网上推荐的网站:
http://www.schumacherginseng.com/
舒马赫,网上受到广泛推荐的网站,据说也是Wisconsin参农,大多数人反映质量不错
,其中应该有跟风的也有比较懂的,但是最近有人说质量不好没有参味,不知道是不是
生意做大了就开始糊弄人了还是个别现象。
http://www.marathonginseng.com/
由来自山东的蒋博士创办,蒋博士本人学医出身,据说人很热心,对西... 阅读全帖 |
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m*********n 发帖数: 11525 | 21 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
sunshine70 (sunshine2008) 于 (Wed Oct 26 15:15:14 2011, 美东) 提到:
想买,谢谢
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superrmini (mini) 于 (Wed Oct 26 15:18:09 2011, 美东) 提到:
http://www.schumacherginseng.com/
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sunshine70 (sunshine2008) 于 (Wed Oct 26 15:19:13 2011, 美东) 提到:
非常感谢
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acidlemon (柠檬酸) 于 (Wed Oct 26 17:42:29 2011, 美东) 提到:
这家在Thanksgiving时候会打折吗?如果没有,打算现在就买了。
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y*****u 发帖数: 224 | 22 【 以下文字转载自 Hubei 讨论区 】
发信人: yjhsjtu (xx), 信区: Hubei
标 题: 想买西洋参给家人,那个好?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 11 03:38:59 2010, 美东)
许氏的网上说是7-8年的参,
以前有人推荐农场
Schumacher's Pure Wisconsin Ginseng
or
mberger Ginseng Farm Inc
www.imginseng.com
他们的参4年的。 究竟哪个好点?许氏是不是骗人故意抬价的?
宁外,长的还是短的好?
多谢了。 |
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r*****t 发帖数: 547 | 24 American Flag Ginseng
和President Ginseng
怎么样?
好像便宜一些。 |
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l*x 发帖数: 14021 | 25 Re this.
I always bought from here. They grow their own ginseng. I visited their
ginsengs farm and local store in Wausa WI. |
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r*******t 发帖数: 8550 | 27 Agreed this seems much better and real.
I have lived in Wisconsin for years, and Wisconsin Ginseng seems different
than the ones sold in Chinatown (New York Chinatown, Boston Chinatown, etc).
Some rumor said the Chinatown ginseng were grown in China. |
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y**y 发帖数: 1261 | 28 【 以下文字转载自 PennySaver 讨论区 】
发信人: Savings ($$$), 信区: PennySaver
标 题: Re: 请教哪里买花旗参? (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 19 18:26:03 2011, 美东)
【 以下文字转载自 Rite_aid 俱乐部 】
发信人: Savings ($$$), 信区: Rite_aid
标 题: Re: 请教哪里买花旗参?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 19 18:13:06 2011, 美东)
关于西洋参,我把bbs上所有的信息都汇总起来过,在这儿贡献一把吧:
Wisconsin Ginseng是美国种殖西洋参,质量很好。好多中国超市卖的西洋参是国内种
植又卖到美国的,便宜很多,质量也很差。也有加拿大出的,质量也不如威斯康星参,
一是水土的原因,另外因为加拿大对农药的用量控制较松,所以如果买加拿大的参有可
能农药含量较高。
网上推荐的网站:
http://www.schumacherginseng.com/
舒马赫,网上受到广泛推荐的网站,据说也是Wisconsin参农,... 阅读全帖 |
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o******i 发帖数: 14 | 29 本人想帮家里老人选购一些西洋参(American Ginseng or Canadian Ginseng),但不知
道什么牌子比较好,或者去什么网站选购。请大家推荐一下选购的牌子或者网站,谢谢
。 |
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m*********o 发帖数: 7545 | 30 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
gogofish (不会游泳的鱼) 于 (Mon Feb 13 17:52:15 2012, 美东) 提到:
老妈突然让我不要买巧克力了,据说现在国内风传进口巧克力有质量问题。
那让我买什么呀?不是送亲戚朋友的,那些都买好了。送的都是我不认识的,比如大楼
里打扫卫生的阿姨,老妈老年大学的同学之类。本来打算买几盒巧克力搞定的。这下巧
克力不能买了,还能送啥呀?
给我出出主意呗,最好容易买的。
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ja94 (世上最幸福的人-- taliban的妻子) 于 (Mon Feb 13 17:53:26 2012, 美东) 提到:
kao, i thought it's a valentine's day related question...
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iamapig (大懶豬) 于 (Mon Feb 13 17:56:00 2012, 美东... 阅读全帖 |
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f**d 发帖数: 1952 | 31 82街过了富帮那个口,再往北约50米就是永明中药店。
Pacific Rim Ginseng 太平洋人參 360-887-3128
Royal Family Ginseng 皇家參 503-222-7285
Tin Seng Natural Therapy Ctr
Tin Seng Natural Therapy Ctr 503-771-4743
Wing Ming 永明參茸藥材行 503-777-1331 |
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b**********u 发帖数: 2817 | 32 Date 1/31/2013
Time 10:56 PM
**Schumacher Ginseng LLC Order Confirmation **
Order No: 034500
Billing Information
Shipping Information
City : San Diego
State/Province : CA
Zip : 92126
Payment Method : Visa
CC Approved : Yes
Auth Info : Approved - TransID=2HB48170BG6165049
Qty Item No Name Options Price Total
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f*****o 发帖数: 2526 | 34 [zz]吃在湾区住在斯坦福(升级版)
leave a comment »
多谢各位的补充!我犹豫了一下,决定还是只列出我去过的地儿,像某些享誉盛名但是
无缘品尝的餐馆,比如沸腾鱼乡,奇峰阁,锅将军等等,大家直接在mitbbs上应该可以
看到不少相关的评价。 另外,我也不是职业吃货啦,而且有些菜只吃过一次,可能某
位大厨一手抖就发挥超常/失常,造成了我对某些菜的印象比较主观化。
海鲜:
Boling Crab (San Jose)> Joe’s Crab Shack (San Francisco) > Tomi Sushi &
Seafood Buffet(San Jose)> Tatami Sushi & Seafood Buffet(Cupertino)
不参与排名:Pier 39 的大螃蟹 (San Francisco), 金禧海鲜酒家(Palo Alto)
Boling Crab的螃蟹从来都是酒香不怕巷子深,关键在于它家的酱绝对不会让人想起它
是一家西餐馆。它家的龙虾也是一绝,当然一旦点了龙虾还打算吃饱的话人均基本在40
刀以上。
Joe’s Crab Shack是... 阅读全帖 |
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o******i 发帖数: 14 | 35 本人想帮家里老人选购一些西洋参(American Ginseng or Canadian Ginseng),但不知
道什么牌子比较好,或者去什么网站选购。请大家推荐一下选购的牌子或者网站,谢谢
。 |
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r********o 发帖数: 1423 | 36 昨天去北大华买完菜以后顺便光顾了那个母老虎店,看见菜谱上有自己喜欢的人参鸡汤
。虽然贵了不少,不过吃多了羊肉串想正好喝点汤润润嗓子。。。。不过,他们家的人
参鸡汤做得太差了。。。跟白开水差不多,(点完以后两分钟就端上来了,不知道为什
么这么快)味道实在照以前在加州吃到的差太远了。。一点人参味道没有,鸡汤好像是
对过了很多水。于是俺问招待:where is ginseng and why does this soup taste
like water? 招待狡辩到:because most people don't like ginseng, so we don't
add much(我ft,那你叫什么人参鸡汤? 实际上人参是根本没有,反正我把鸡汤和鸡来
回翻了个遍也没看见人参)。然后说如果你需要人参应该早说blah blah...我倒。其实
味道差也就算了,他们这么狡辩让人觉得挺不舒服的。
当然不能一棍子全部打死,有些菜味道还不错,不过以后俺是不去了的。。。 |
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r*******u 发帖数: 8732 | 37 Find a shop in Chinatown.
They should be around $80- $100/ lb. for average.
Ask to taste test the different ginsengs. The strong taste the better
ginsengs. |
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o******i 发帖数: 14 | 38 本人想帮家里老人选购一些西洋参(American Ginseng or Canadian Ginseng),但不知
道什么牌子比较好,或者去什么网站选购。请大家推荐一下选购的牌子或者网站,谢谢
。 |
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h***x 发帖数: 586 | 39 Yes, it is called imberger, I just checked with my friend.
Here is the link: http://www.imginseng.com/
They harvest every four years, so ginseng they sell is very good and the
price is $18~60/lb.
The farm is in a small town called 'big ben', which is only 30 mins driving
from Milwaukee. You need to call them first for an appointment before you go
.
I also hear from others that there is a larger farm in Wausau WI which sells
ginseng too. |
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m********4 发帖数: 988 | 40 I don't like Hsu's ginseng.there price is expensive and the quality are soso.
I like laomei's ginseng farm more. |
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F*******y 发帖数: 885 | 41 【 以下文字转载自 Literature 讨论区 】
发信人: playdate (大黑牛尾巴), 信区: Literature
标 题: [怀旧美食] 纽约中餐馆全攻略
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Oct 27 13:19:58 2009, 美东)
来源于网络
纽约中国餐馆的数量和意大利餐馆等量齐观, 经营型态包括专供外带的小店面, 和廉价
食堂 (eateries)-每个社区都有, 在唐人街尤其多; 也有正式, 高价位的餐厅-多半
位于市中心或上东区. 对于预算紧的游客来说, 中国菜可能是最经济的选择. 纽约很多
中国餐馆历经数十年的时间, 口味都已美国化. 比较好的中国餐馆, 水平和香港, 台湾
以外的任何高级中国馆子一样不相上下. 由于本地华裔人口众多, 口味也就比较挑剔.
一般来说, 比较道地的中国餐馆都集中在中国城和法拉盛; 上城的馆子则讲究时髦, 重
视服务效率, 口味也倾向西方化的新式中国料理. 1980年代, 四川, 湖南菜风靡纽约,
掀起了一股重辣重酸的烹调热. 近年来, 纽约人则偏好清淡的上海菜,当然细致, 精巧
的广东菜仍是很多人最爱. 大部分中国... 阅读全帖 |
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r********m 发帖数: 593 | 42 这楼包括Philosophy, ReVive, Sekkisei (雪肌精), SK-II, Shu Uemura (植村秀),
Stri-victin 和 Sulhwasoo (雪花秀)
===Philosophy=== 图1
除非特别说明, 小样均为瓶装
Time in a bottle daily age-defying serum pack
32461C, 33111B
Size 1.5mL
Value 4.00
Qty 10
Price 3 for 1.00 or 10 for 3.00
Time in a bottle for eyes 眼霜, 新产品
3345, 3350B1
Size 2mL
Value 9.00
Price 1.50
Time in a bottle for eyes pack
3345, 3350B1
Size 2mL
Value 9.00
Price 1.00
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G**********e 发帖数: 11693 | 43 我很少化妆
在用missha的一款 MISA Cho Bo Yang Eye Cream
Oriental herbal cream brightens and vitalizes eye areas.
Highly concentrated eye cream fully delivers energy of Korean Wild Ginseng,
Cordyceps Militaris extract and Deer Antlers to your fatigued skin. Pure
Gold extract revitalizes for radiant skin.
Ingredient
1. Wild ginseng extract
2. Cordyceps militaris extract
3. Antler extract
4. Pure gold extract |
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j*****i 发帖数: 90 | 44 If you live in New England and near Appalachian moutains, There is a better
option to go hiking and collect some wild ginseng instead.
You can only dig mature ginseng which are 10 years older .
没有兴趣。西洋参在我这边很便宜,而且要长五六年才行,天气温暖的地方产出的质量
也差。 |
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b*********k 发帖数: 118 | 46 I only know Wisconsin Ginseng, never know Wisconsin Medicine. If you eat
more Ginseng, no need to take medicine. |
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p********3 发帖数: 5750 | 47 以下有文献是讲中药Lead中毒的:我懒得去筛选, 先发这个。 还有很多其他的比如癌
症的, 肾脏毒性的, 单个疾病双盲单盲科研的。我就不一一列举了。
参看50, 51, 70, 73-75.
REFERENCES 1 Wilt TJ, Ishani A, Stark G, et al. Saw palmetto extracts for treatment of benign prostatic hyperplasia: a systematic review. JAMA 1998; 280:1604.
2 Blumenthal M (Ed). The ABC Clinical Guide to Herbs. American Botanical Council/Thieme, New York 2003.
3 Kaptchuk TJ. Acupuncture: theory, efficacy, and practice. Ann Intern Med 2002; 136:374.
4 Farnsworth NR, Akerele O, Bingel AS, et al. Med... 阅读全帖 |
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 48 当然是快一周的旧闻了
保健品市场上基本全是假货,首先,那些东西有用没有用还存疑,至少可以另说,问题
是,大部分东西里边不含宣城的成分
Ginkgo biloba: Contained no ginkgo biloba. Did contain rice, mustard, wheat
, and radish.
St. John's wort: Contained no St. John's wort. Did contain garlic, rice, and
"a tropical root crop."
Ginseng: Contained no ginseng. Did contain wheat, rice, and citrus species.
Garlic: One of 15 tests was positive for a small amount of garlic. Most of
the genetic material, though, was from rice, palm, and wheat.
Echinacea: Contained no echi... 阅读全帖 |
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y*****u 发帖数: 224 | 49 许氏的网上说是7-8年的参,
以前有人推荐农场
Schumacher's Pure Wisconsin Ginseng
or
mberger Ginseng Farm Inc
www.imginseng.com
他们的参4年的。 究竟哪个好点?许氏是不是骗人故意抬价的?
宁外,长的还是短的好?
多谢了。 |
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t*****l 发帖数: 125 | 50 ...cool
the ginseng digging season starts Monday, Sept. 1 and runs through Sunday,
Nov. 30.
of the plant is determined by the number of prongs; only plants with three
or more prongs are considered old enough to harvest. West Virginia law
mandates that anyone digging
Virginia ginseng dealer or have roots weight-receipted at one of the
Division of Forestry weigh stations.
without a weight-receipt from the Division of Forestry.
permission from the landowner allowing him or her to harvest ginsen |
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