s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 1 呵呵，gambling沉迷了是个大问题
我看过很多人gambling中毒的，很可怕
我觉得online gambing就是一个数学问题，包括扑克，包括体育，概率不够就不要玩
against
was
J4o first level HUSNG when opp raised every button. It takes lots of
displine/experience to be become a real long time winner. You can not expect
everybody can do it from sta |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/study-atlantic
By DONALD WITTKOWSKI Staff Writer |
Atlantic City gaming revenue will continue to fall through 2015, eventually
bottoming out at $2.8 billion annually, a new research report grimly
predicts of the nation’s second-largest casino market.
The PricewaterhouseCoopers LLC study estimates U.S. gaming revenue will grow
5 percent overall from $57.5 billion in 2010 to $73.3 billion in 2015,
aided by an economic recovery and continued expansio... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 3 I had similiar expereince as well. When running so bad in poker, I choosed
to leave poker and play some blackjack to get it back. I am a card counter ,
but when I was in bad mood, I tend to play less optimally in BJ as well,
like bet big when the count is only +2 ,or +3, instead of waiting for better
spot.
Guess we should just stay away from any form of gambling when we are in
bad mood for any reason. When we had a bad session in poker, maybe we should
just go home watching some movies or do ... 阅读全帖 |
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p******e
发帖数: 327 | 4 3. I don't normally reraise with a drawing hand. I was in a gamble mood with
that hand because I was short stack. Hope ppl can respect my reraise.
I also didn't want to make a hard decision if I didn't hit the turn.
I guess too much gamble factors in this hand.
4. why betting on turn if you believe villain has an Ace? And he's image is
tight.
draw
player |
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w**********y
发帖数: 1691 | 5 WELCOME FOR ANY COMMENT, SUGGESTION, AND CRITICISM. THANKS AHEAD.
2012 Session 2, 01-10-2012 (8PM ~ 12). Up $150.
Game: 1/3, 7 players; Location: Poker Club at NYC.
I bring 2 buy-in ($400). First buy-in was gradually reduced to $120. I
reloaded $200 cuz I felt very comfortable to play last nite and ShouQi was
also good, and I don’t want to loss the chance to rob fishes as I was
playing nit. BUT finally I don’t get the chance with Big Hand Big Pot.
2 fishes of bad crazy LAG players. (including Ha... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 6 From MIT poker calss. slide 3.
http://web.mit.edu/willma/www/lec3.pdf
" It takes a much longer time than most people expect, for your actual
results to converge to your expected results.
Ie. There is a lot of “luck” in poker.
The most novice player still has some chance of beating the best
player in the world.
Everyone overestimates their own skill at poker.
This is what makes poker a “gambling” game, and why so many bad
players are willing to “gamble” a... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 7 Ppl in Vegas are often joking this :
" my biggest gambling problem is that I do not have money to gamble" ...
lol.
Vegas is such a weird town sometime. Just saw a middle age lady dressing
pretty well, holding a bottle of Heineken drinking, and asked for some"
spare change" |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 Initial public offering.
I don't think gambling ipo is the way to play stock. It is just like
gambling ER. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-01/rajat-gupta-jc-flowers
Full Tilt Units, Executives Win Civil RICO Suit Dismissal
Units of Full Tilt Poker and 10 executives won dismissal of civil claims
filed under the federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act.
The lawsuit was filed in June by Full Tilt poker players seeking to recoup,
as a group, about $150 million they claim they lost when the Ireland-based
Internet poker site and others like it were shut by U.S. Attorney Preet
Bharar... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 10 thanks a lot for the input guys. I appreciate it. As played , I did fold
QQ preflop against the 4 bet shove. But it is actually not necesssary an
automatic fold. I saw many time that 2-5 players shove with TT, JJ for this
stack against 3 bet. there are even more gambling with 5-10NL or higher. I
saw 4k going in with AK vs AA between two regs in 5-10NL. I just hate to
gamble there without any read. He did not show me.
for the second hand. I bet 275 on the turn against 375$ pot and he
f... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 11 Local casino 2-3NL. I had about 900$ stack, and then I played several hands
and lost. My stack went down quickly to a little over 700, although I still
had everyone covered. I was kind of impatient at that time, and then I got
J3o at BB. Everyone limps for 3 dollars. I want to just take those blinds,
so I raise to 33$. UTG short stack calls, and UTG+1 calls. Now everyone
thinks they got the pot odds to call. So it ends up 6 callers. Now 7 players
to see the flop. Flop 10 6 2 rainbow. I am first ... 阅读全帖 |
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E*******r
发帖数: 520 | 12 PLO is a no brain gambling game. Pure gamble. :-) |
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E*******r
发帖数: 520 | 13 PLO is a no brain gambling game. Pure gamble. :-) |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 14 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 炒股和打牌 最近闲的无聊，去股版潜水比较多。不是去找小道消息，纯粹是冲着股版的娱乐价值去
的。不能不说看看股票的众牛鬼蛇神赢钱时沾沾自喜 BSO，输钱后鬼哭狼嚎的样子，还
是能给单调的生活带来不少乐趣的。
一些随想：
和任何与钱有关系的游戏一样，人们倾向于 BSO 自己的盈利，在输钱的时候大多数选
择木鸡。股市涨的时候活跃的那些 ID，大牛们，在大盘回调时大多都销声匿迹。很多
还能喊亏废了的，其实大多数并没有亏很多，或者是小账户。
炒股和打牌其实是互通的，就我个人来说，4 年的打牌经验给了我炒股很多启发，其中
“纪律”和“耐心”是最关键的两条。
炒股和打牌一样，任何一种 style 都能赢钱。但股版的青蛙和牌桌上的鱼的确有一些
很有趣的共性：
1. 动的太多: 青蛙们恨不得天天 trade，每分钟都 trade。觉得有 cash position 就
是和自己过不去，每天不给券商 commission 就对不起自己开的股票账户，今天还看到
一位在问人家：自己每月“只” trade 8－15 次，是不是开美林的账户用免费的
trade 比较好，而他的本金不过 7000 快。我边看边想“天哪，还每月只... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 15 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 炒股和打牌 ak 兄好文。 其实很多gambling 的pro 都去wall street 发展了，大概是有很多相似
之处。
向Blackjack的鼻祖Edword thorpe. Blackjack 最初是能被有数学方法证明是
可以beat 的，就是他的创新工作。他当时在ulca 刚拿到ph.d ， 在uc.irvine 作AP,
然后到mit 作visiting scholor.就是用当时(1962 )很创新的方法，计算机模拟，来分
析出blackjack 是
mathematical beatable 的。他当时还同shannon（ＥＥ历史上最牛的人之一）和kelly
(everybody knows kelly criteria)一同在vegas 打过blackjack. 后来，他用他的数
学和研究gambling 的背景，在wall street 开了一个hedge fund.也非常成功。
我在补充两点，我觉得二者成功的要素还可以加上money management 和mental
touchness. 的别是mental toughness对poker long term... 阅读全帖 |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 16 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 炒股和打牌 好几年前的文章了，应该还在文摘区里，但是古板水太大很难找得到了。大意上跟AK说
的1和3差不多。
其实我很同意梨树的看法，时间也是成本，如果折腾几年都折腾不出什么名堂，可能最
好还是let it go，move on to other stuff in life. 所以有时候你还真得gamble。而且
古板上一些名ID其实他们好多人早期也有些很大的gamble并且很幸运的成功了。这个在古板精华区都
可以看到的。 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 17 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 炒股和打牌 最近闲的无聊，去股版潜水比较多。不是去找小道消息，纯粹是冲着股版的娱乐价值去
的。不能不说看看股票的众牛鬼蛇神赢钱时沾沾自喜 BSO，输钱后鬼哭狼嚎的样子，还
是能给单调的生活带来不少乐趣的。
一些随想：
和任何与钱有关系的游戏一样，人们倾向于 BSO 自己的盈利，在输钱的时候大多数选
择木鸡。股市涨的时候活跃的那些 ID，大牛们，在大盘回调时大多都销声匿迹。很多
还能喊亏废了的，其实大多数并没有亏很多，或者是小账户。
炒股和打牌其实是互通的，就我个人来说，4 年的打牌经验给了我炒股很多启发，其中
“纪律”和“耐心”是最关键的两条。
炒股和打牌一样，任何一种 style 都能赢钱。但股版的青蛙和牌桌上的鱼的确有一些
很有趣的共性：
1. 动的太多: 青蛙们恨不得天天 trade，每分钟都 trade。觉得有 cash position 就
是和自己过不去，每天不给券商 commission 就对不起自己开的股票账户，今天还看到
一位在问人家：自己每月“只” trade 8－15 次，是不是开美林的账户用免费的
trade 比较好，而他的本金不过 7000 快。我边看边想“天哪，还每月只... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 18 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 炒股和打牌 ak 兄好文。 其实很多gambling 的pro 都去wall street 发展了，大概是有很多相似
之处。
向Blackjack的鼻祖Edword thorpe. Blackjack 最初是能被有数学方法证明是
可以beat 的，就是他的创新工作。他当时在ulca 刚拿到ph.d ， 在uc.irvine 作AP,
然后到mit 作visiting scholor.就是用当时(1962 )很创新的方法，计算机模拟，来分
析出blackjack 是
mathematical beatable 的。他当时还同shannon（ＥＥ历史上最牛的人之一）和kelly
(everybody knows kelly criteria)一同在vegas 打过blackjack. 后来，他用他的数
学和研究gambling 的背景，在wall street 开了一个hedge fund.也非常成功。
我在补充两点，我觉得二者成功的要素还可以加上money management 和mental
touchness. 的别是mental toughness对poker long term... 阅读全帖 |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 19 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 炒股和打牌 好几年前的文章了，应该还在文摘区里，但是古板水太大很难找得到了。大意上跟AK说
的1和3差不多。
其实我很同意梨树的看法，时间也是成本，如果折腾几年都折腾不出什么名堂，可能最
好还是let it go，move on to other stuff in life. 所以有时候你还真得gamble。而且
古板上一些名ID其实他们好多人早期也有些很大的gamble并且很幸运的成功了。这个在古板精华区都
可以看到的。 |
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T********n
发帖数: 528 | 20
game
s
Yeah I see your point and I think I stated that last position too strongly.
As this thread clearly showed values, even universal values, is subjective.
I think in the original article it was relying on the premise that
ContributeToSociety+MakingLotsofMoneyA > MakingLotsofMoneyB, even in cases
where B > A.
But there's also the variable of IndividualHappiness and DoingWhatIFeelLike
so at the end of the day everyone just do what they want and be happy. Any
single factor, such as love for t... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 21
white
hand
this is definitely true. i have seen lots example of gamble destroying
life. poker itself can be a gambling lots of time.
poker as a career is only suitable for a small percentage people.
you will never really go broke when you work at Mcdonald as long as you keep
the job, poker is different.
so I do not advise many ppl going pro as well as long as they have better
options.
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 22 More details at fulltilt website
Statement
As part of its agreement with the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ),
PokerStars has obtained the assets of Full Tilt Poker, and will use these
assets to re-launch the Full Tilt Poker site. PokerStars has also committed
to the full reimbursement of funds owed to Full Tilt Poker customers outside
the United States by November the 6th. United States Full Tilt Poker
players will be reimbursed through a remission process conducted by the U.S.
government.
We w... 阅读全帖 |
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j****h
发帖数: 57 | 23 I don't think I was very clear in my above reply since my Chinese is even
less fluent than master Tang's Chinese. To reiterate, I was having a similar
albeit shortish experience as the OP of being addicted to gambling and not
being able to take control of my emotions while playing poker. My play was
decent but I was not able to stop and leave when I was winning and when I
was losing money oh I became a kamikaze on a mission to lose as much as I
had on me. Like I said I dwindled away a significan... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 最应该有的形象就是让对手觉得你是gambling degenerates, 这次来打牌的目的就是输
掉兜里的 1千刀。 输得慢点，你也很开心， 因为你enjoy gambling.如果桌上的 rock
都开始用 95s 来叫你的 preflopo raise，希望能搞到两对来清你，拿个bottom pair
叫你3 barrels, 或者一对A你有信心和别人postflop打到200bb all in 还可以大概率
赢下。。 你就成功了。
你要成为一个伪装成松胸的紧胸。做到这， 你就等着在live poker 桌上数钱吧。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
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l*******r
发帖数: 328 | 25 can't agree your point.
1. I think Omaha involves more gambling because more drawing opportunities.
for holdem, it's easier to figure out if you are ahead or behind. so you
fold your losing hand and value bet your winning hand to discourage your
opponent from drawing.
2. the more pot you play will not make you win more. you still have the
same odds. it's more gambling because you have more hope that 2 of yours
will hit. |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 26 Your shameless BSO made me want to vomit.
How somebody can get so lucky? Having a poker room near your home is like
having a secondary job only your office is next door. I think most ppl here
can beat NL 1/2 game. The best of all, the second income is totally tax free
! (well, unless you want to pay tax).
Rely on politicians is useless. Even though NY passed gambling law, they
outlawed Casino near the city for at least 5 years, and only allow Casino to
open in up and west of the state, which is ... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 27 精辟。 想想有人要美化打牌为竞技体育， 我就想吐。。。
打牌就是以在鱼身上吸血为目的， 不管对手是有钱烧，或者是有gambling addiction
的病。 如果别人有吸毒的addiction， 你贩毒吸他们血， 是要坐牢的。 你abuse 别
人gambling addiction 吸他们血却洋洋得意，还可以出书， 吹嘘， 被人粉， 想想真
是恶心。。。。 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 28 你把poker丑化得这么厉害，还天天在这版上混，还要当版主，也让我很恶心。每年都
有无数poker tournaments，但从来没见过什么吸毒tournament，blackjack
tournament, 百家乐tournament。什么在gambling addiction 吸他们血却洋洋得意，
这些有gambling addiction的人估计不玩扑克也是去玩别的赌博性质的游戏去了。扑克
虽然有运气成分在，但绝不是赌博。当然，对那些技术没过关却还坚持玩high level的
人是赌博，但你一个扑克版主为何把所有玩扑克的人贬成这样？真是有点让人寒心。扑
克对大多数人来说是一种消遣娱乐活动，是一种解压方式，大部分人上了一个月的班然
后就想玩一个晚上扑克放松放松，输多少钱也是别人能承受的范围内。就连那个输7500
的老头（他buy-in也就3000）整晚一直都在说他根本不在乎钱，他就是要have fun。而
且我认为更多人是真的enjoy这个game。没有哪个game能像扑克那样包含了那么多因素
在内的（psychology,logic, probability, reading a... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 29 精辟。 想想有人要美化打牌为竞技体育， 我就想吐。。。
打牌就是以在鱼身上吸血为目的， 不管对手是有钱烧，或者是有gambling addiction
的病。 如果别人有吸毒的addiction， 你贩毒吸他们血， 是要坐牢的。 你abuse 别
人gambling addiction 吸他们血却洋洋得意，还可以出书， 吹嘘， 被人粉， 想想真
是恶心。。。。 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 30 你把poker丑化得这么厉害，还天天在这版上混，还要当版主，也让我很恶心。每年都
有无数poker tournaments，但从来没见过什么吸毒tournament，blackjack
tournament, 百家乐tournament。什么在gambling addiction 吸他们血却洋洋得意，
这些有gambling addiction的人估计不玩扑克也是去玩别的赌博性质的游戏去了。扑克
虽然有运气成分在，但绝不是赌博。当然，对那些技术没过关却还坚持玩high level的
人是赌博，但你一个扑克版主为何把所有玩扑克的人贬成这样？真是有点让人寒心。扑
克对大多数人来说是一种消遣娱乐活动，是一种解压方式，大部分人上了一个月的班然
后就想玩一个晚上扑克放松放松，输多少钱也是别人能承受的范围内。就连那个输7500
的老头（他buy-in也就3000）整晚一直都在说他根本不在乎钱，他就是要have fun。而
且我认为更多人是真的enjoy这个game。没有哪个game能像扑克那样包含了那么多因素
在内的（psychology,logic, probability, reading a... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 31 Must be 21 years or older to gamble. Must be physically in the state of New
Jersey to gamble at HarrahsCasino.com. You don’t need to be a New Jersey
resident or even a U.S. citizen to play for real money. You just need to
register with HarrahsCasino.com. |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 32 Live NL 2/5 4 way pot. I just dig out from a $600 hole, about even and
sitting at $900 stack.
Limp with As7s in MP, MP+1 limp with $300+, Btn mediem tight $1200+ raised
to 30$, SB $700ish called and I called and MP+1 called. 4 way pot with $125
in the pot already.
Flop 3s 4c 6s , SB donk bet $150 in the bet. Action to me and MP+1 and Btn
to act behind me.
What will you usually do given the stack size and action? |
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j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 34 我可能会fold
sb overbet flop，估计是overpair或者set了，也有比较小的可能是straight
你call，后面还俩，估计没人会call，只会fold或者raise。你不会舒服。my 2 cents。
125 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 35 lz有9 outs nuts flush draw, plus 3 outs nuts straight draw.
那么为什么要怕后面进来呢？不管他是call，raise，或shove，进一个，lz只需要1/3
概率，进两个，只需要1/4概率+ev。lz现在有近50%概率hit nuts.
cents。 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 36 Folding will never be an option to me.
I would like to get it in on flop.
If I call flop, someone must go all in on turn. It is very tough to call on
a blank turn. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 37 You did the wrong math.
As what actually happened, 2 guys were involved, if you involved too, 3
guys , you had nearly 50% probability to win 3 times chips.You were highly +
EV.
snap
am
, |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 38 If turn come blank,and someone allin on turn,you can fold and it was still a
+ev call on flop. Because you tried about 24% chance(to hit a nuts on turn)
, it cost $150, which was about 17% of your stack, so it is still a +ev call
.Now if you call and someone allin and all you 3 guys allin on flop, you
have nearly 50% chance to win 3 times your stack, so it is still +ev.
on |
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 39 At first I disagree your calculation and strategy 100%.
But after calculation given the stack sizes and their holdings, I found you
actually made a very good decision. Suppose three way all-in. For the first
$700*3+125 side pot, you have 32% equity, so it's about even with the 3*+
prospect. But the next 200*2 pot, you still have 32% equity, call would be a
-EV. You are also right that even if it is slightly +ev, it is not worth
the variance.
But you showing your hand to others would never be und... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 40 Let's do it simple way, in the flop 3 ways allin situation, pot = (SB) 700+
(lz)900+(BTN) 900+ 125 already in the pot=2625
Lz had 900 .
So lz would invest 900 to win a 2625 pot.lz had 46% probability to hit nuts. |
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 41 i do not know if i am over-thinking. This is almost a dream flop for baby
Ace suited but it seems it cannot hold the fire of all in. I have to
drastically re-evaluate the strength and the value of baby Ace suited as a
starting hand.
125 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 42 I left the table after the hand. Sometimes I don't mind show a little
information on the table, then I will do the opposite of my action a little
bit to mix up.
is your point doing that? Showing them you are avoiding coin flip so that
they can push you around when that happens? |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 43 I made the fold based on two factors:
1. How much I already invested, in the case I only invested $30, compared to
the $900 of my original stack.
2. How much I will win. In this case, either $125+600 = $725 or $1525 if the
other guy involved. In either case, I don't think I get the odds so good I
can't refuse, especially 2 guys still need to act behind me. Say in other
case, there were already two guys all-in in front of me and money in the pot
already, I may more inclined to call.
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 44 I'll never fold this hand at this scenario. I'll call at least, if not shove
.
My 2 cents:
for live, since the volume is so low, not every decision should based on +ev
decision, math, blah blah. It's more about game dynamic, reading, instinct
feeling. It's more like art.
snap
am
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 45 dude, if you fold here, why did you limp call $30 with As7s then? wish the
table to be loose passive, let you hit your nut flush "with comfort", and
still pay you off for a decent pot? ......
for me, i don't care about ... how i dug myself from a XXX hole, how i want
to keep my variance low, ... they all don't matter in THIS hand, otherwise
you're already playing with scared money, if so, then fold As7s preflop.
yeah, if you missed here and on your way home, you might kick yourself hard
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 46 LOL. One mistake doesn't mean you have to commit another. Which means you
limp call with A7s and flop nut flash draw, and you can't go back and need
to go all the way every single time, we are not playing tournament here and
even in tournament there will be different scenarios.
How to play drawing game is everyone's opinion and depends on each's own
personality. In live poker, you rarely getting the right price to draw, even
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 47 yes, draws can be played many ways, but there's one thing different in this
hand, you didn't even call the flop (with over $700 left if called), this in
turn, made your preflop OOP limp call 6BB questionable, right?
As7s has little value other than nut flush draw on the flop (1/8), let alone
from MP, and to call 6BB from a tight/deep player with position. it's
almost like ATo, we need to fold here and there preflop without position if
we care too much about variance, they're all trouble hands if... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 48 我觉得老版主get the point，然后ak哥扯到别的地方去了。
如果ak哥真心想protect the capital and avoid variance，limp/flat with suited
small ace就失去了它的point，从长远来看，就是慢慢地一次一次地donate你的这种情
况下的6个bb。要知道，捐15次，也就相当于一个buyin了，且这十五次里，有多少次能
够看到类似的dream flop？很多时候，一点不击中还好，要是击中一个a或者7什么的，
还得继续兜进去chips，真正的在那么多case里，能够成为winner of the cooler，把
对手一锅端，赢下200bb的概率，实在太小。反倒是，人真正能跟ak哥commit 200bb的
hands，往往领先于flush以外的A7 made hand。
换句话说，玩非premium hands本身就代表了追求implied odds和不可避免的variance
。我想ak哥打牌，主要还是喜欢牌局上的小搏弈，偶尔赢点小钱，心里无限
comfortable。如果是这样的话，真的没必要，去玩那些，输了会... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 49 AK和俺都是杰出WSN在扑克界的代表，冒险精神有限，安于稳定小赢，回家路上不流泪
，下次还兴高采烈的来玩。有拿As7s偷鸡的贼心，但是时候真到了，往往没有杀鸡的决
心，束缚了手脚，把后面的人的range放到了最高端，客观结果导致习惯性的前后矛盾
之处，痛苦多于快乐。
BTN这家伙明显就要油很多，利用位置拿57拿240BB这么干，虽然结果上这次输了，长期
不好说。SB也是，KsQs执行得很坚决，反正也不深，先下手为强。据俺仅仅几个月的2/
5经历判断，两人赢钱的可能都远大于俺这种夹缝中纠结的。
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 50 长远看 limp call Ax OOP 是肯定 -EV，这点打牌有一些时间的都应该是无疑问的。但
我觉得你这里是假设我打牌每次起手牌都 limp call OOP 这么干，然而实际上却并不
是如此。
这里变成很有趣的一个讨论的话题： 包括 FryKing 都在问, 你既然玩 A7s ， flop
nut frush draw, 你不玩下去，那你 limp call 干吗？ 我的回答已经很清楚了： A7s
limp call 是一个错误，但如果你去 call 人家 150 on 125 的 bet，是更大的错误
。第一个错误让你损失 6 个 bb， 第二个错误就是 30 bb 了。poker 中错误总是在
componding, 所以起手牌和位置真的很重要，但我认为第一个错误并不是你犯第二个错
的理由，将错就错并不是 winning strategy.
即使你 allin ，人家的 effective stack 600 , 你也不过是 underdog just get
right price to shove. 你如果真的把 poker 当生意做，人家总是把东西按市场价卖
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