a****8 发帖数: 236 | 1 Force10 has been bought a few yrs ago, by another old startup. Basically,
they two merged together, and kept the name of "force10", original
management team has been washed out, and of course, all old force10 shares
wiped out too.
The new force10 won't last long, let's see.... |
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B*****R 发帖数: 247 | 2 【 以下文字转载自 EmergingNetworking 讨论区 】
发信人: BOXSFER (每天赚钱多一些,每天灌水少一些), 信区: EmergingNetworking
标 题: Force10这个10年的老startup 还能坚持多久?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Sep 23 13:38:53 2010, 美东)
知情的大侠分析分析。没前途了么? 被买的可能性大么? |
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z**r 发帖数: 17771 | 3 不知情,但是force10现在产品在cisco nexus系列出来以后,没啥特色了吧,估计这几
家大公司也没有谁有兴趣买,产品太重合了,除非HP有兴趣 |
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t*******r 发帖数: 3271 | 4 force10的售后经理都给挖到我们公司来了~ 哇哈哈哈 |
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m********d 发帖数: 188 | 5
But at least one good thing Force10 did is that they effectively raised
the bar for 10G port density per chassis. LOL |
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k*****s 发帖数: 231 | 6 force10是做metro-ethernet的,这个市场嘛,好像不太会有巨量增长,但也不至于饿
死。
是的,他们售后的整个组就搬到Tony公司去了,我还去这公司面试过呢,不过他们给不
了价钱,只好作罢。 |
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z**r 发帖数: 17771 | 7 force10最早是做data center的,ethernet switch门槛低,没有啥特色的话,估计不
会有啥大前途 |
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Q*******e 发帖数: 939 | 8 【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
发信人: QuickTime (这一代将难忘2009年), 信区: SanFrancisco
标 题: Dell to Acquire Force10
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 20 23:20:54 2011, 美东)
http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=210184&
Another bad news for Ciscoers!
Most of their big partners are buying switching product line. |
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z**r 发帖数: 17771 | 9 force10这个千年startup终于被人收购了,算修成正果了? |
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z**r 发帖数: 17771 | 10 Cisco在技术上全面,扎实,但是俺觉得还谈不上领先,你看force10的switch在速度方面
cisco简直就是望尘莫及(当然其实目前还用不了那么快的速度,但地的确却是一个卖点
),很多cluster都用force10的东西,还有一些data center,比如google。
cisco最大的优势就是底子太厚了,不在乎一时半会儿的落后,基本上任何一个领域里,
大多都不是cisco最先开始搞,这样看着哪个方向的确有做头了,然后要么买过来,要么
自己开发,然后就扩充,改进。这样的确是一个良性循环。一旦cisco开始做了,别人就
不好过了。所以cisco并不是特别在乎新东西出的慢,比如kempella,目前cisco就没有支
持。但是如果用户看好这个,并不喜欢martini了,那么对于cisco来说,也就是1、2个
release的事情,加个bgp autodiscovery对于cisco的确不是困难的事情。
目前就要看AON能不能复制这个传奇了
还
先 |
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z**r 发帖数: 17771 | 11 个人觉得目前最大的受害者是force10吧,俺记得google以前很多switch是用force10 |
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L******t 发帖数: 1985 | 12 This Brad Hedlund recently jumped boat to Dell Force10. I failed to
understand how come Dell Force10 can be better in any way except maybe
promised compensation or title? |
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L******t 发帖数: 1985 | 13 This Brad Hedlund recently jumped boat to Dell Force10. I failed to
understand how come Dell Force10 can be better in any way except maybe
promised compensation or title? |
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s******v 发帖数: 4495 | 15 Force10以前不错,现在不知道咋样。
Acme Packet, blue coat也很火最近。
Lucent, |
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t*****l 发帖数: 2658 | 17 intel的server呢?
08年开始就做server了
这下就动了hp,ibm, dell的奶酪了 |
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x*********n 发帖数: 28013 | 18 dell在2011年上半年,已经收购了3个公司了。dell真牛。 |
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s*****l 发帖数: 13 | 20 Are there readers in this forum working for this company?
If yes, can you PM me as I have some questions regarding the division?
Thanks in advance. |
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f********7 发帖数: 716 | 22 人家好歹被dell收购,员工发了小财,你们cisco捏?羡慕嫉妒恨? |
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J**9 发帖数: 835 | 23 not a good place to work for unless you can't find any other offer. |
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b*****1 发帖数: 1355 | 24 你这公司名单太不全了。那么多Fortune 1000的大公司都被你华丽地忽视了。给你个维
基上的名
单。。。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley
Thousands of high technology companies are headquartered in Silicon
Valley; among those, the following are in the Fortune 1000:
Adobe Systems
Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)
Apple Inc.
eBay
Facebook
Google
Hewlett-Packard
Intel
Intuit
Nvidia
Oracle
VMware
Yahoo!
Adobe Systems
Advanced Micro Devices
Agilent Technologies
Apple Inc.
Applied Materials
Cisco Systems
eBay
Facebook
Google
Hewlett-Packard
Int... 阅读全帖 |
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z**r 发帖数: 17771 | 25 google现在的全球日流量几个P bytes,算4个P,那么总带宽需求目前是370gbps。这个
是google全球包括internet and non-internet的总需求。按照50%的年递增,5年后的
总带宽需求是2.8Tbps。能满足当前流量的switch太多了吧,5年后可扩展到2.8tbps的
起码cisco, juniper, foundry, force10这些都没有问题 |
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B*****R 发帖数: 1539 | 26 GOOGLE PLATFORM TEAM里面C和J的人很多,什么老SUN的老DEC的更多,还有EXTREME
FORCE10等等。具有系统经验的人绝对不少,新毕业的在里面的比例大大的小于其他
GOOG的GROUP。
关于他们能不能做出来,我觉得更多是取决于他们要不要花那个钱和精力,何况他们还
可以合作。GOOG很多PROJECT都是短命试验性,这也是为什么去那里对于真正要继续做
系统的人来说不是很好的选择 |
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m********d 发帖数: 188 | 27 I bet you haven't actually tried EX. :)
but good point on VC vs. STP. biggest challenge in large scale data center
is to find a way to get rid of stp. cisco came up with vss for 6500 and vpc
for n7k/n5k. juniper came up with vc, force10 seems go for vc too. haven't
tried running vc at juniper EX8k data center core - only at access layer so
far, but N7k's vpc at core seems running well. not sure how good THRILL
would be in future. |
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e**********w 发帖数: 117 | 28 来自主题: EmergingNetworking版 - 现在的热点 其实是data center的switch,增长幅度远远大于了J和C的其他platform. J在这个市场
刚刚起
步,基本上没有什么份额;C的flagship Nexus 7000卖得比较成功,把Force10赶了出
来,占据了
几大internet companies的data center;同时也冒出来几个小公司,分了点市场份额
,比如
Arista和BLADE networks。
有懂data center这一块业务的出来讲讲么?最看好哪个? |
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s******v 发帖数: 4495 | 29 来自主题: EmergingNetworking版 - 现在的热点 force10不行了?那么foudry/brocade哪? |
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B*****R 发帖数: 247 | 30 知情的大侠分析分析。没前途了么? 被买的可能性大么? |
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p*****s 发帖数: 344 | 32 最近门口贴了个now hiring的横幅,不知是怎么了。 |
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a**********k 发帖数: 1953 | 34 It's pretty much a dead company. I heard they are trying
to do FCoE stuff too. |
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z**r 发帖数: 17771 | 35 so they are still focusing on DCN |
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a**********k 发帖数: 1953 | 36 Goole is no longer using their gears.
What key technology do they have? |
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z**r 发帖数: 17771 | 37 they don't have much now ... |
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W****2 发帖数: 297 | 38 Google现在都是用自己做的switch吗?只是在DC吧。Corporate还不是吧? |
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t*********e 发帖数: 1136 | 39 我也觉得是HP吃了思科的市场。Procurve y/y 的增长是50%。老二开始发力。
但是 10G 对以后的影响多大呢?思科这方面的pipeline好像也不是很强。
N7K的性价比和几个Competitors相比很差。
现在思科只有用杀价来保卫市场占有率。所以Margin下降很快。但是这个
空间会越来越小。
总得来说思科有点腹背受敌到处被打的感觉。
Consumer: Netgear, D-Link 打败 Linksys.
Enterprise Low-End: HP, Dell
Enterprise High-End: HP, Broadcade,
10G: Blade, Arista, Force10
WAN Acceleration: Riverbed
App Delivery: F5
Wirless Controller: Aruba
Firewall: Juniper, Fortinet, some Chinese companies
International: Huawei
就是Core Router还是C,J两家相安无事。 |
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z**r 发帖数: 17771 | 40 Cisco应该还是稳步发展,Juniper在现有市场估计不会有太大起色,就看新东西了,如
果juniper能做到不管cisco有什么,它也有,而且都能做到1/3-1/2 cisco的规模,那
就牛了。华为应该是这些大公司里最优前途的公司,一旦美国的贸易壁垒破了,在北美
市场会有井喷。brocade现在挖人挺厉害,但是人们普遍都说是最后一努力了,如果成
了,就能在DCN上和
juniper并驾齐驱,紧随cisco之后,不成,就跟force10一样不死不活了。
Hp有点意思,轮份额其实不小,在switch market里,应该能拍第二,但是产品线似乎
门槛比较低,估计不少卖的都是靠绑定其他合同的。alu在sp edge应该会继续稳坐第二
把交椅,不过产品线单一,虽然7750貌似什么都能干,不管carrier ethernet还是
video还是IP RAN,类似cisco 7600,今后能否和asr9k以及mx960继续抗衡也不好说,
但是短时间估计没问题。
剩下那几个也就F5值得一提,的确挺牛的一个公司,应该是在业界唯一一个把Cisco从
某个产品的市场份额拉下来,自己做头把交椅的公司。... 阅读全帖 |
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t*********e 发帖数: 1136 | 41 Merchant switch silicon is maturing very fast. This is an area where Cisco
is under serious threat. Google and many switch vendors are using merchant
silicon to drive down the cost dramatically.
Another profound issue, IMO, is that many routing protocols, e.g. OSPF,
especially when running on switches, should be redesigned and simplified.
Many of the features no longer make much sense, or there are better ways to
do it. Yet for compatibility reasons, they have to be done exactly according
to RFC... 阅读全帖 |
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B*****R 发帖数: 1539 | 43 还好,其实还不如IBM买BLADE的短期影响大 |
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x*********n 发帖数: 28013 | 44 dell bought at least 3 companies at the first quarter of this year. |
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Q*******e 发帖数: 939 | 46 这个公司在2008前还是很热的
好像goog曾经用过它们的switch
后来不知道为哈被抛弃了 |
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he 发帖数: 2025 | 47 两年前戴尔吃下破肉(Perot),消化得怎么样了? 我看过一个破肉员工的内部培训资料
库,竟然有CCVP的教程,某位没啥名气的老兄写的。我说这么值钱的玩意没人注意么?
回答说: 注意到的都跳走了,剩下的全是混吃等死的,哈哈 |
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l*******G 发帖数: 1191 | 48 Can anyone share you view/experience on the pros and particularly the cons
of CISCO IOS ?
What about Force10, Juniper and Huawei's OS as well? Why one is better than
the other and where is the future tech going? |
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n*****2 发帖数: 38 | 49 i have used force10 E series and they are pretty bad, lots of issues. |
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n*****2 发帖数: 38 | 50 i have used force10 E series and they are pretty bad, lots of issues. |
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