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f**s
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - The Dreams You Dare To Dream Really Do Come True
新年快到了,这两个星期陆续听到好几个朋友的好消息,都是毕业超过20年的CMG,基本上都拿到了比较理想的地方。
我原来说过要写一个老毕业生宝典,考虑了很久,因为许多东西涉及到很多朋友的个人隐私,而买买提这个网站似乎有爆料的传统,所以只好放弃这个主题了。不过有两点我还是想写出来给老CMG一些关键信息。
对于毕业超过15年的CMG,根据我了解的情况,大致来说有两个因素是必不可少的:
第一、行内人士的推荐:推荐人的级别,基本上也就决定了你能进什么级别的program。关于推荐信,去年鞋匠同学有一个很不错的帖子,请你去考古(如果你找不到,那是因为你心不诚)。
第二、临床经验:国内多年的临床经验会有很大的帮助,但是美国对应专业的临床经验才是关键,而你在得到美国经验的同时,至少一到两个推荐信大概也就基本上有指望了。
实话实说吧,如果没有前面两个条件,毕业20年以上的你基本上可以放弃USMLE这条路了。但是,条件是人创造出来的,你下决心走这条路,就要下决心去创造这个条件。有人说我都毕业20年了,再去做externship又要熬一年,岂不是毕业时间更长了?可是,毕业20年跟毕业22年有实质区别吗?没有。
H****J
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - Any suggestion on Externship?
I got a email from this company. Does anyone know more about it?
t********e
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - Any suggestion on Externship?
PS还可以 interview那个就不知道了 我感觉自己准备就好了 这些地方帮你准备的
都千篇一律的 最后还是要有自己的想法和特点啊
H****J
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - Any suggestion on Externship?
Thanks thebigblue. The service is good to me, it may save me a lot time to
find an observership.
k**e
发帖数: 2728
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - Current Commercial Externships Available(ZT)
thanks for the information!

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k*****e
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - Current Commercial Externships Available(ZT)
acne姐,这真是一个大利好啊!感谢及时雨!
q******t
发帖数: 148
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 我今年申请还是缓一年申请?
要我说,还是缓一年的好。
原因有三:
1。CS第三次pass,出结果也要十月底了,拿到certificate要十一月了,估计拿到的IV
应该是比较少了,花那么多申请费,有点浪费。还有已经申请了一年的记录。
2。再利用一年的机会,多做OB,多做externship,多跟PD,椅子男套磁,大搞
connection,build up strong package,来年一举搞定,这叫磨刀不误砍柴工。
3。有利于放松心情,消除烦躁心理,一举攻克CS,了却一块心病。
一家之言,仅供参考。GL。
t*******i
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 谁能介绍点externship的经验
eric 能否再给解释一下
subinternship, elective, advance elective, specialty rotation,clerkship
有哪些能用在我们这些老CMG身上呢?
thanks
e*****a
发帖数: 1334
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 谁能介绍点externship的经验
Wow, is this an exam? Haha.
Clerkship - our third/forth year clinical rotations. Under physicians' supervision
we can have some hands-on clinical experiences.
Elective - this is relative to the "required" or "core" rotations. In the
third year our core rotations are IM, Peds, OB/GYN, surgery, Psych, and
primary care. Our available electives are Neuro, anesthesiology and radiology.
In the forth year, we can select pretty much any specialties, such as Orth,
plastic, nuclear medicine, Rad Onc, Derm
t*******i
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 谁能介绍点externship的经验
多谢eric, 解释得真好,给你个A+++++++++++
e*****a
发帖数: 1334
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 谁能介绍点externship的经验
Thanks, this will improve my GPA.
k**e
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 谁能介绍点externship的经验
eric, does that mean if you want to do extern ship as a foreign medical grad
, you need to purchase your own medical malpractice insurance? or is that po
ssible that can be covered by the place where you are working for?

much
are
preliminary training.
k**e
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 谁能介绍点externship的经验
thanks... interesting...
x******g
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Do good OB even externship, get strong RoL from MD as many as u can. The RoL
should focus on your clinical capability and hands-on experience. Your
score is good enough for launch some IVs.
x******g
发帖数: 42
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Do good OB even externship, get strong RoL from MD as many as u can. The RoL
should focus on your clinical capability and hands-on experience. Your
score is good enough for launch some IVs.
w*******t
发帖数: 90
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 问一个observership 的问题
哎, 跟贴一起问了. 我在一个诊所OB一个PCP有一个多星期了, 我OB的医生一开始就说
了, 我只能看, 不能动手. 而且她干活很麻利,实在也找不出我可以表现, 拍马屁的地
方.没两天,又提出, 因为我不能动手, 她也不好写什么,只能说我跟她了解了一些医疗
系统.
太郁闷了, 我现在只有这一个OB. 如果找, 也只有可能找一个中国医生了,听说中国医
生的推荐信, 人家会打折扣. 而且,我老板是中国人. 不想再要中国人的推荐信了.
大家出个注意吧, 我还在准备CK.是把CK放下,去外地搞一个OB 或externship做呢, 还
是首先把CK赶在8月底完成, 就凑和推荐信了.
m***7
发帖数: 270
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 问一个observership 的问题
咱也跟贴问一个。
externship和OB的区别在哪里?
如何在推荐信中体现出你的实习是Extenship,而不是OB?
e*****a
发帖数: 1334
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 问一个observership 的问题
An observership generally only offers "observation", ie, you are pretty much
just shadowing/following an attending and no direct patient contact. You
may attend some case discussions, meetings and lectures.
An externship on the other hand, offers some hands-on U.S. clinical
experiences. Students/graduates can touch/examine most patients. Externs are
like interns but without a contract with the hospital and their work is
unpaid like students.
The LORs should indicate you "observe" or "have hands-
e*****a
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - Personal statement and Clinical experience?
If you have any physician/resident/externship or medical research
experiences, focus on those. Otherwise the experience you described still
can be used in PS.
e*****a
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - about externship

- Student
- Describe it under "Description".
m***7
发帖数: 270
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - about externship
got it.
thanks. eric!
m*******i
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从申请美国研究生院到申请住院医,在外面的人看着是一堵墙,必须TOFEL/GRE 几乎满
分,必须99/99/EXTERNSHIP拼本领才能进去。但是过来了发现那堵墙其实是张网,有办
法的人变形身体不用爬墙头照样过来。
人生来日方长,只要是有心人,总能想到办法。比如有人铁心要紧皮科,就找个皮科大
夫做了两年博士后,发了很多文章。后来很普通的分数仍然如愿进了皮科。其他中国人
做神外,泌尿的什么的都有。
现在中国人做医生的多了。每个大医学中心都有一大帮中国大夫。这是很大的校友资源
和同乡资源,可是我就很少看到有人利用的。说到底就是面子,可以在互联网上蒙着面
寻求一言片语的回答,但不肯在现实中拉下脸来百般钻营的找个MENTOR指导。
u********8
发帖数: 120
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - Old CMG asks a q related to ongoing match!
Thank you both for your replies!
Yes I will try to do that, one phone call may save me 25 bucks. But I am a
little worried some rigid critea may even give better chance, just like what
I saw in usmleforum, required hands-on externship scared and kept away lot'
s of people, but acturally the person got iv didn't have the experience at
all!
Any other inputs? Teabao?
o******u
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Cant agree more....coz I'm just that person.
I graduated this yr, now is going to be as an OB shadowing after a physician
(Chinese). Also preparing for the BOARDS.
Really really got moved with ur comment. Thank you for sharing this crucial
thought with everyone.
what u said is dead-on! good luck to u~~ ^^
发信人: mashengli (daydreamer), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 真诚请教:协和8年制学生出国之路该如何走,谢谢。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Oct 6 12:33:26 2009, 美东)
从申请美国研究生院到申请住院医,在外面的人看着是一堵墙,必须TOFEL/GRE 几乎满
分,必须99/99/EXTERNSHIP拼本领
w****6
发帖数: 6
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 拿到prematch offer, 面经
离家不远的一个 university hospital IM program。上星期一 interview,今天收到
prematch offer,决定从了。共收到 5 个 IVs so far, 这是第一个 interview 和
offer。在 interview 时,就我一个老中,其余全是老美,老印。PD 也是老印,不过
人很 nice。看来今年实在是形势严峻,我估计大部分 programs 被老印,老巴给
flooded 了。我们老中还需努力。
Credential: 92/88/CS, GC, 11 year graduate, Ph.D. in a non top 25 program,a couple of awards,and top journal publications, 九个月脱产考试,三个月私人诊所 externship, 两个大学医院 observership 各一个月。
面试只被问了两个问题:1)为什么现在才申请(why now)?, 2) 离开医院十年还能适应吗?回答是 :1)Family, Ph.D. and board these three thi
w****6
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 拿到prematch offer, 面经
A setback - just learned that my step 3 failed - 69. Don't know if it will
hurt in the future. In fact, I felt very good after the exam, better than
step 1 and 2. Don't know why. Anybody had the step 3 experience?


,a couple of awards,and top journal publications, 九个月脱产考试,三个月
私人诊所 externship, 两个大学医院 observership 各一个月。
适应吗?回答是 :1)Family, Ph.D. and board these three things, I can only
handle two things well at the same time. And I will never sacrifice my
family. 2) It is just like riding bicycle
w*******t
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 谢谢老刀前辈和大家
Big Con and Thank you for the sharing.
Could you share how you got the USCE( is it observership or externship)? It
seems you have very strong relationship with the doc you shadowed? Did you
collaborate with them on research?
Thanks a lot!
d******s
发帖数: 136
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 尘埃落定, 谈谈今年申请的感觉吧.
尘埃落定, 谈谈今年申请的感觉吧.
原来是打算申请Neurology 和 Pathology的, 因为Neurology 需要申请Prelim, 所以就
计划去做3个月的IM externship. 病理做了两个OB. 因为研究背景是Neuroscience, 所
以只做了个很短的Neurology OB. 考虑很久到底儿该选什么科, 做完OB 到申请的时候
也没太想好. 应该是更倾向于病理吧.后来看了看usmle forum 上面病理的thread,觉得
比去年,前年竞争强了很多, 怎么也要再选一个做backup吧, Neuro要申Prelim 和
Advanced, 再加上病理3个,太麻烦了, 而且神经科本身挺深奥难学的, 自己也没有任何
神经科的临床经验, 就索性申请了内科. 内科的优点是时间短, 就3年, 工作机会比较
多, 因为老公的工作性质, 以后要找Faculty, 工作机会比较少, 也是在迁就他吧, 两
个人在一起很重要, 两个人都开心也很重要, 我希望他能继续做他自己喜欢做的事. 再
有内科是医学的基础, 以后也可以照顾父母, 公公,婆婆的身体健康. 我的研究背景对
c******k
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 给Ichen7及个别“老CMG”的话
同感。Harmonious很重要。多看看别人的长处,为他她们感到高兴,同时也是对自己的
鞭策。最近忙着房子上市,externship, observation, step3 的事情,心情有点急躁
,把小孩也吓着了,也墙也不敢碰,怕搞脏了连累到房子卖不出去,领导大人也因此严
厉批评了。回临床不单是为了经济上富足的原因,也是为了一点人生的追求,希望能够
因此而完整一点。只要这一目标得以实现,其他的一切都无所谓。想来自己也算有房子
有地的小富农了,这回上临床,光卖房子就得把全家这几年的积蓄给亏个一半,现在的
行情是有房无市,房子越大越难卖,更别说上临床做牛做马从头来过了,一家老少还要
跟着挤apartment。但是为了一个做医生的目标,为了让领导大人能够stay at home -
相夫教子是她的目标:-), 为了让小孩有个更大的playground,我们全家都从了!
a********e
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - ROSS UNIVERSITY的MEDICAL SCHOOL 怎么样?
I am pretty curious how they can have you save 2 yrs. As I know, the last 2
yrs of med school should be in the US hospitals for externship and clinical
courses.

suggested
problematic
Caribbean
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a****9
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a****9
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - U.S. Clincal Experience 请教大家几个问题
精华区的文章都读了,但是还很多些问题。
我身边的人这两年在申请的,都和我说OB is better than nothing ,but does not
really make a big difference if the reference is not famous. 貌似ob和us
clinical experience还是很不同的?? 如果是这样,没有读phD, 没有老板帮忙的同学
怎么办?anyone have good advice?
As I know, some hospitals provide externship, which is accounted as us
clinical experience, coz u can practice in hospitals and on real patients
under supervision. Anyone know about this ? Any experience to share?
其次,clinical experience 找什么样的好呢?如果不是很确定以后想target 哪个科
室,或者想去的
a****9
发帖数: 773
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - U.S. Clincal Experience 请教大家几个问题
hi,droplets,
many thanks for sharing the info. They are very useful.
Are u doing any externship or OB now?
d******s
发帖数: 136
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - U.S. Clincal Experience 请教大家几个问题
I did both.
Try to find some connection, friends, relatives, friend's relatives,
relative's friends...
You can do the google. There are several hospitals offering the externship
or mini residency, however some of them requiring the ECFMG certificate when
you apply. Most likely, you need to relocate.
Each year is quite different, and you also need to apply very early. First
come, first serve.
If you can not find through the internet, or do not have any connection at
all, the last thing you can tr
c******k
发帖数: 237
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - U.S. Clincal Experience 请教大家几个问题
刀老师是“恨铁不成钢”,帮你加深点印象。我的一点经历供参考:我的两个面试均被问及OB。第一个面试APD详细问了我在她们本
院FM做的OB并做了笔记。第二个面试PD问了我的OB和EXTERNSHIP,并做了COMMENTS。当
然我们花了更多的时间谈当地的教育和生活。
面试前我和RECOMMENDERS都打了招呼,他们在LOR里都留了电话和EMAIL。象刀老师得
answer电话backup的,either the program is very, very competitive, or the
candidate didn't impress the program very very much on the scene - 当然多数
是前一种可能性,本鼠对刀老师见习生的综合能力绝无疑问 :-)
H*********e
发帖数: 163
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - U.S. Clincal Experience 请教大家几个问题
I seems so hard to find externship, I have not found any one for IMG yet.
But still several guys here made it. By connections? Unfortunately I can not
remember any clinical connection so far.
c******k
发帖数: 237
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 立志存照,正式加入考版
先给你一个大大的鼓励先-你有充分的时间,可以考虑Step1和CK一起复习,绝对互相有
帮助。也可以考虑把Step3也考了。你的复习小组,OB和EXTERNSHIP呢?
j**********0
发帖数: 391
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 立志存照,正式加入考版
多谢鼓励。我还没有计划到OB和EXTERNSHIP,现在指关心step1. 复习小组还没有呢,
主要自己看。
在 chipmunk (花栗鼠) 的大作中提到: 】
j******b
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是的,我当初找的是observership,带我的医生愣是逼着我做了externship.呵呵。
h**i
发帖数: 148
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 2010 Unfilled positions
不知道你的问题具体是指什么?你是说如何安排时间做OB?如何和老板说?还是如何找
OB?part-time or full time?
1.你是说如何安排时间做OB?
求attending帮忙,只能随着他们的schedule,绝大部分时间是weekday实验要提前安排
好,不要耽误进度。我当时就是每个星期去两个上午。平时做实验。
2.如何和老板说?
看你老板的为人和你的关系,我个人的经历告诉我老板永远就是老板,出发点就是不一
样。我就是到了考试都考完了,要推荐信的时候才告诉她的,之后也证明了我以前的判
断。
3.如何找OB?
发动周围所有的资源,agressive一点,主动去联系。先不要太挑剔,只要你做了第一个
OB,认识了第一个attending,通过他就像一张网,你会认识更多的attending,connec
tion是这样来的。当然,万事开头难,开始要好好准备。
4.full time or part time?
我做了8个月的part time in outpatient clinic,2个月的full-time externship in
inpatient(一个月的winte
a******1
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Has anybody have experience with Americlerkship? Thanks.
a******1
发帖数: 9
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Thank you so much for the information. Congrats for the matching.
J*J
发帖数: 201
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我也花了银子作过,现在看来不值。最好是教学医院in hospital的OB,有免费的,收费
的也不贵,还有机会建立connection。
m***T
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恭喜恭喜!谢谢提供这么有用的信息。
R**U
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谢谢你们提供的信息,找OB的确是很头痛的事情。
请问下一般是和医院的哪个部门联系呢?找PD问OB的机会合适吗? 谢谢!
a******1
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cf2008,
I sent email to your mitt email. Please check it.
a****9
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我也想知道,
打算等CK考完,就厚着脸皮跑到医院直接抓人问。
不过不知道到哪个部门抓人,抓什么人。有经验的能指点下吗?
S*********r
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没有connection,正发愁找ob呢,cf2008 (dora)的信息给提供了很实际可行的一条路。
s*****1
发帖数: 273
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Maybe you can ask your collaborators/friends to introduce you to the doctors
you want to shadow?
I did this way and no any paper work needed.
J*J
发帖数: 201
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精化区里都有。
应该找秘书或coordinator联系吧。
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