G******d 发帖数: 194 | 1 我曾经在板上问过同样的问题。
我也去问了学校的DSO和公司,DSO说不建议两个同时申,有可能出问题。公司说他们每
年这个时候都大量处理这种同时申请,没有遇到过问题。总之不知该听谁的好 |
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S**I 发帖数: 15689 | 2 The lawyer is right, but you need to do something in case H-1B is not
approved by 10/1:
Q11. In recent years, employers have been able to file H-1B cap-subject
petitions after April 1, and have not always requested an October 1 start
date. However, some students’ OPT end dates were nevertheless shortened to
September 30, even though their H-1B employment would not begin until a
later date. What should the student do to correct this?
A11. The student should contact their DSO. The DSO may reque... 阅读全帖 |
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z**k 发帖数: 378 | 3 你答辩日期修改到I-20的completion date之后是可以的,你需要Update你的I-20,不
会影响OPT的申请,要知道很多人是工作了以后才回学校答辩的。
具体请咨询你们学校的DSO,只要你们没有违规,咨询学校DSO是最好的办法 |
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s****a 发帖数: 4 | 4 一个朋友今天收到OPT被拒的信,很着急,学校的人说不清楚他这样的情况可否reopen
,了解的朋友请给我留言,或者如果认识有这方面经验的律师也可以留给我联系方式,
多谢 (P.S. 他在MA)
他被拒的理由是USCIS收到学校确认申请签字I20的时间超过I20 issue date的30天,具
体如下:
“You must file the Form I-765 with USCIS within 30 days of the data the
Designate School Official (DSO) entered the recommendation for OPT into your
SEVIS record. You applied for OPT on September28, 2012. At the time of
filing your Form I-765, more than 30 days had elapsed since your DSO entered
the recommendation for OPT into your SEVIS record.... 阅读全帖 |
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c****n 发帖数: 22 | 5 TSC的,经过security check后终于出来了。给还在TSC这边等的兄弟加个油!
type: OPT
center: TSC
receipt number: SRC149001XXXX
receive date: 11/15/2013
notice date: 11/17/2013
initial review: 11/15/2013
card production: 12/11/2013
If asked for expedited
yes. 11月1号就加急了,加急需要DSO写信。学校DSO态度非常恶劣,拒绝写信。于是
我自己写信回复,加急成功。成功后仍然不见动静,发了至少三次邮件后催了后,终于
在11月中下旬的时候得知被security check,今天终于出卡了。今年TSC确实好慢,而
且还很多security check,所以在这里爆料下给还在TSC苦等的兄弟个参考,估计你们
的也快了吧。还有就是我的start date是12月16号,不知道这个时间给我card
production是不是有一定关联。 |
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d******g 发帖数: 22 | 6 办OPT加急,收到邮件:
Please have your Designated School Official (DSO) submit proof of your
financial hardship or other reason for expeditious handling via email to TSC
.******[email protected]. Please note that the employment offer letter alone
is not sufficient. The letter MUST indicate that the offer will be rescinded
after a specific date. Additionally, please note that this email address is
only for DSOs. This information must be received within 2 days of the date
of this notice. A decision in regard... 阅读全帖 |
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H******g 发帖数: 7 | 7 我12月19号就加急,然后晚些时候收到TSC的邮件让DSO提交support letter。DSO不给
发,只是forward我的offer letter过去。我就自己又发了封信过去回复了。
结果后来就一直没消息了。1月6号,收到follow up email的回复,说我的file
request by an Officer on 12/27/13,如果7天之内没有消息,再联系他们的office。
结果一直等到1月13号还是没有回复,其间发了好多封follow up email去TSC,结果一
直没有回音。
昨天又打电话加急了,至今还是没有回信呀。哎,感觉TSC把我给默拒了。
离入职的时间没几天了,应该怎么办才行呀? |
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H******g 发帖数: 7 | 8 加急后状态当然没有变化。不过早上收到消息,card production了。
在此share一下我的申请:
type: OPT
center: TSC
receipt number: SRC1490073***
receive date:12/02/2013
notice date:12/04/2013
Card production: 01/16/2014
If asked for expedited: Yes, tried twice.
12月16好加急了一次,结果当时就被拒了。于是12月19号又打电话加急了,下午收到邮
件让DSO 2天内发support letter过去。学校DSO不肯发,只是发了offer letter过去。
于是我自己又发了封邮件过去,附上详细的说明。这之后就没有消息了。
后来,发了几封follow up email去TSC,终于1月6号收到一个officer的邮件,说“Your
file was requested by another officer on 12/27/13.“说7天内有消息。
然后一直就没下文了,我就又是email,又是fax的,还是不... 阅读全帖 |
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c****n 发帖数: 22 | 9 TSC的,经过security check后终于出来了。给还在TSC这边等的兄弟加个油!
type: OPT
center: TSC
receipt number: SRC149001XXXX
receive date: 11/15/2013
notice date: 11/17/2013
initial review: 11/15/2013
card production: 12/11/2013
If asked for expedited
yes. 11月1号就加急了,加急需要DSO写信。学校DSO态度非常恶劣,拒绝写信。于是
我自己写信回复,加急成功。成功后仍然不见动静,发了至少三次邮件后催了后,终于
在11月中下旬的时候得知被security check,今天终于出卡了。今年TSC确实好慢,而
且还很多security check,所以在这里爆料下给还在TSC苦等的兄弟个参考,估计你们
的也快了吧。还有就是我的start date是12月16号,不知道这个时间给我card
production是不是有一定关联。 |
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d******g 发帖数: 22 | 10 办OPT加急,收到邮件:
Please have your Designated School Official (DSO) submit proof of your
financial hardship or other reason for expeditious handling via email to TSC
.******[email protected]. Please note that the employment offer letter alone
is not sufficient. The letter MUST indicate that the offer will be rescinded
after a specific date. Additionally, please note that this email address is
only for DSOs. This information must be received within 2 days of the date
of this notice. A decision in regard... 阅读全帖 |
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H******g 发帖数: 7 | 11 我12月19号就加急,然后晚些时候收到TSC的邮件让DSO提交support letter。DSO不给
发,只是forward我的offer letter过去。我就自己又发了封信过去回复了。
结果后来就一直没消息了。1月6号,收到follow up email的回复,说我的file
request by an Officer on 12/27/13,如果7天之内没有消息,再联系他们的office。
结果一直等到1月13号还是没有回复,其间发了好多封follow up email去TSC,结果一
直没有回音。
昨天又打电话加急了,至今还是没有回信呀。哎,感觉TSC把我给默拒了。
离入职的时间没几天了,应该怎么办才行呀? |
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H******g 发帖数: 7 | 12 加急后状态当然没有变化。不过早上收到消息,card production了。
在此share一下我的申请:
type: OPT
center: TSC
receipt number: SRC1490073***
receive date:12/02/2013
notice date:12/04/2013
Card production: 01/16/2014
If asked for expedited: Yes, tried twice.
12月16好加急了一次,结果当时就被拒了。于是12月19号又打电话加急了,下午收到邮
件让DSO 2天内发support letter过去。学校DSO不肯发,只是发了offer letter过去。
于是我自己又发了封邮件过去,附上详细的说明。这之后就没有消息了。
后来,发了几封follow up email去TSC,终于1月6号收到一个officer的邮件,说“Your
file was requested by another officer on 12/27/13.“说7天内有消息。
然后一直就没下文了,我就又是email,又是fax的,还是不... 阅读全帖 |
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c****p 发帖数: 6474 | 13 自己看吧。。
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e
Q13. If the student has an approved H-1B petition and change of status, but
is laid off/terminated by the H-1B employer before the effective date, and
the student has an unexpired EAD issued for post-completion OPT, can the
student retrieve any unused OPT?
A13.Yes. The student will remain in student status and can continue working
OPT using the unexpired EAD until the H-1B change of status goes into
effect. The student also... 阅读全帖 |
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c****p 发帖数: 6474 | 14 Q13. If the student has an approved H-1B petition and change of status, but
is laid off/terminated by the H-1B employer before the effective date, and
the student has an unexpired EAD issued for post-completion OPT, can the
student retrieve any unused OPT?
A13.Yes. The student will remain in student status and can continue working
OPT using the unexpired EAD until the H-1B change of status goes into
effect. The student also needs to make sure that USCIS receives a
withdrawal request from the p... 阅读全帖 |
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n*****o 发帖数: 849 | 15 你难道还要选课?为什么不提前问问学校的DSO呢?
那赶紧跟学校的DSO说明情况,请教他们应该如何应对,是否需要withdraw你的H1B申请
,或者给你一个on leave。赶紧行动,不要等到10月1日以后H1B生效,因为那样的话,
你就麻烦了
当然,你可以先注册,再退学;或者在暑假把课上完。。 |
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c**2 发帖数: 8496 | 16 you don't need to file a new OPT extension when changing job. although
technically, the new company should still be a e-verify company too. And if
you report to DSO for current employment update, DSO must ask for the e-
verify info too. |
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s*******i 发帖数: 434 | 17 今天申请了opt加急,然后收到uscis的email,里面要求追加一个材料,由学校提供,
我本以为是要求即将去工作的学校提供的,结果新学校的hr说要我拿学位的学校提供,
我有点晕了。有筒子遇到过类似的情况的么?因为uscis要求材料2天内递交上去,所以
很急啊。有经验的来帮帮忙
uscis的邮件中的一部分
The status of this service request is:
Upon receipt of your request for expeditious handling, your case was
reviewed and a determination was made that we need additional information to
make a decision regarding your request. Please have your Designated School
Official (DSO) submit proof of your financial hardship or other reason for
expeditiou... 阅读全帖 |
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w****e 发帖数: 71 | 18 本人现在H1B GAP GAP阶段。准备从A公司跳槽到B公司。B公司急着让我快点入职。
B公司的attorney原本的计划是找到学校的DSO, 把I20上面的employer信息从A改成B,
这样我就可以在10/1 h1b正事生效之前保持OPT有效身份。。可是学校的DSO一个月以来
僵持不下,大有誓死不从之势。
今天recruiter和attorney一同打来电话,说他们详细研读了条例,h1b cap gap只是延
长你的opt状态继续工作,和你在哪里工作一点关系没有,我现在可以直接去B公司入职
上班。而且说ideal的情况是i20上面的employer信息一致,但现在即使不一致也一点关
系没有。。他们说的非常肯定this will work. 原话是,we are a large corporation
. we wouldn't risk this if we were not sure.
可是我自己想着还是觉得不靠谱。。毕竟i20上面白纸黑字写的是A公司的名字。我的
h1b transfer还在进行中,我这样直接去B报道是安全的吗?移民局以后会找麻烦吗?
我自己倾向10/1后入职... 阅读全帖 |
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j******a 发帖数: 91 | 19 每个学校dso理解不一样吧。我今天找学校谈了,dso就强调是实习,不是employment。
公司不通融,就只能找学校。 |
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b********6 发帖数: 35437 | 21 OPT
You can apply for 12 months of OPT at each education level, (i.e., you may
have 12 months of OPT at the bachelor’s level and another 12 months of OPT
at the master’s level).
Your DSO will provide you with a new Form I-20 that shows the DSO
recommendation for this employment. |
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o********t 发帖数: 31 | 23 问学校DSO 这个谁都说不准
这种情况 DSO想赶你走是肯定有办法的 可能也有情况不赶你走 |
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i*****t 发帖数: 24265 | 24 yes,只要h1b没有生效,但是opt似乎时间不够干别的,
1 如果被fire而h1尚未批准,雇主需要立刻撤销申请,所以opt仍然有效
2 如果h1批准但未生效,雇主需要撤销H1,而且你需要填i-539要求转回F1,但是OPT时间不太够,等结果时候OPT已经过期了
Q13. If the student has an approved H-1B petition and change of status, but
is laid
off/terminated by the H-1B employer before the effective date, and the
student has an
unexpired EAD issued for post-completion OPT, can the student retrieve any
unused OPT?
A13. Yes, but only if USCIS receives the withdrawal request from the
petitioner before the H-1B
change of stat... 阅读全帖 |
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p**f 发帖数: 3549 | 25 就看这个了。。。。其他独显,挖矿,自动驾驶都是扯蛋。。
Nvidia reports Q3 results that beat EPS and revenue estimates with an upside
guidance. The company showed a 25% growth on the year in Gaming and 109%
Datacenter growth, which were the platforms to watch.
Q4 guidance has revenue from $2.6B to $2.7B compared to the $2.44B consensus
.
Revenue by reportable segments (Y/Y): GPU Business $2.2B (+31%); Tegra
Processor Business, $419M (+26%).
Revenue by market platform (Y/Y): Gaming, $1.56B (+25%); Professional
Visualization,... 阅读全帖 |
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S**I 发帖数: 15689 | 26 你压根就没看明白我在说什么;对于申请OPT时需要是F-1身份和注册满一年这两个条件
没有争议,争议的是这一年的学习是必须在F-1身份下完成还是说可以在其他允许全职
上学的身份(譬如H-1B,H-4)下完成。
USCIS对这个没有解释,按你给的这个链接,似乎DSO有解释权,DSO是学校的雇员,各
个学校对此的解释不一样很正常,我上面已经举了例子了。前面有人举了OPT申请被拒
的例子,但是没有给出理由,所以仍然不能确定是不是因为没有在F-1身份下注册满一
年被拒的。至少在我以前呆过的学校里,和LZ类似的情况下没有听说有谁的OPT被拒的。
optional |
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O******e 发帖数: 734 | 27 If you withdraw voluntarily and the school's DSO
grants your withdrawal, you get a 15-day grace
period to leave the U.S. or submit an I-539 to
change status, if possible. The the DSO does not
grant the 15-day grace period, then you become
out of status on the date that you withdraw.
If you withdraw, or are dismissed, you lose F-1
status, and cannot transfer to a new school
directly, i.e., you won't have continuity of F-1
status to bridge the time between the two schools.
transfer
了。 |
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S**I 发帖数: 15689 | 28 Q11. In recent years, employers have been able to file H-1B cap-subject
petitions after April 1, and have not always requested an October 1 start
date. However, some students' OPT end dates were nevertheless shortened to
September 30, even though their H-1B employment would not begin until a
later date. What should the student do to correct this?
A11. The student should contact their DSO. The DSO may request a data fix in
SEVIS by contacting the SEVIS helpdesk. |
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S**I 发帖数: 15689 | 29 Q11. In recent years, employers have been able to file H-1B cap-subject
petitions after April 1, and have not always requested an October 1 start
date. However, some students' OPT end dates were nevertheless shortened to
September 30, even though their H-1B employment would not begin until a
later date. What should the student do to correct this?
A11. The student should contact their DSO. The DSO may request a data fix in
SEVIS by contacting the SEVIS helpdesk.
EVIDENCE. |
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l****u 发帖数: 418 | 30 下面是官网说的,如此看来我是可以等EAD下来,在update信息的
What must a student do after being granted the 17-month STEM extension?
* The student must report to his or her DSO (within 10 days) any change
in:
* Legal name;
* o Residential or mailing address;
* o E-mail address;
* o Employer name;
* o Employer address;
* The student must also report to his or her DSO every six months,
confirming the information listed above; even if there have been no changes.
* The requirement to report... 阅读全帖 |
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l****u 发帖数: 418 | 31 下面是官网说的,如此看来我是可以等EAD下来,在update信息的
What must a student do after being granted the 17-month STEM extension?
* The student must report to his or her DSO (within 10 days) any change
in:
* Legal name;
* o Residential or mailing address;
* o E-mail address;
* o Employer name;
* o Employer address;
* The student must also report to his or her DSO every six months,
confirming the information listed above; even if there have been no changes.
* The requirement to report... 阅读全帖 |
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g*****2 发帖数: 371 | 32 DSO 批准CPT的i20 ,AP(如有),;DSO及老板的支持信,雇佣公司的支持信! |
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z*****e 发帖数: 28 | 33 OPT extension deny, reopen, and apply non-profit H1B during grace period
我只是想把自己的经历写下来,希望对类似遭遇的同学有帮助。
我是STEM 专业,在一个nonprofit 的机构工作,OPT EAD 在2016年4月23日过期,我在
2015年12月14日提交了OPT extension 的延期,于是悲剧从这一天就开始了。 USCIS
规定不能在EAD过期的120天之前申请,我提交那天是EAD过期日之前的131天。
在提交申请的时候,我询问过学校的international office 需要准备什么材料,学校
的DSO 没有提醒过120天这个时间窗口,另外我自己也确实不知道 (怪自己功课没做足)
, 另外我们学校的很多朋友也不知道120天这个时间窗口限制,只是他们没有遇到过这
个问题。(所以学校的international office 确实也不太认真,至少没有在120天时间
窗口这个事情上对学生做好功课)。再次一定要提醒大家注意这个问题: 只能在EAD过
期前的120天之内申请,提前1天都不行!!!
再提... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 34 建议楼主咨询学校DSO,或者移民律师。
I-94上的D/S 代表 Duration of Status。按照合法身份期限,而不是无限期。
对于F1学生,I-94 上的 D/S就是I-20上的日期,而且同时要保持有效学生身份,毕业
后或者OPT结束了grace period 也过了那么I94身份就是过期了,不合法了:OUT OF
STATUS.这时开始累计的日子就算unlawful presence。
但是如果学生在校学习期间(I94 D/S还没结束,如果违反了F1学生的规则(比如课时
选得太少或者非法工作)导致OUT OF STATUS的情况下,在被发现之前
是不会自动开始计算unlawful presence的。
请看:
1)DHS网站:I94 D/S
F-1 Students: Remember to Check for “D/S” on Your Form I-94
https://studyinthestates.dhs.gov/2016/06/f-1-students-remember-to-check-for-
%E2%80%9Cds%E2%80%9D-on-your-fo... 阅读全帖 |
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c**2 发帖数: 8496 | 35 look at your current I-20 copy(the one that school DSO newly printed for you
specifically for your OPT application) there should be an annotation about
OPT blah blah blah. If that annotation is missing, DSO didn't do it write,
ask them to issue again . |
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g**********r 发帖数: 6 | 37 DSO 是Designated School Official (DSO) 的缩写么?
那就是让学校国际学生办公室帮忙 request put a note in SEVIS么?
谢谢了!
, |
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m******p 发帖数: 5393 | 38 我在上边问了同样的问题,不过又看了一下homeland security的SEVIS关于CPT的官方
解释,一个学期就可以了,虽然多数学校是fulltime两学期才可以
http://www.ice.gov/sevis/practical-training/
When you enroll at the graduate level, your designated school official (DSO)
may authorize CPT during your first semester if your program requires this
type of experience. Ask your DSO for details. |
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m*******l 发帖数: 12782 | 39 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
amengdora (A梦多啦) 于 (Sat Mar 17 16:32:03 2012, 美东) 提到:
自从排期去年开始飞越就开始关注本版,从3012到排期飞越,从给奥本打“点滑”到数
据分析,几个月一路关注下来。平时虽然发言不多,但也为3012做了不少事。前几天绿
卡寄到了手,也算结了一件心事。
我04年在国内一个二线城市上本科,08年6月毕业,8月来到美国开始读master。那时来
了不长时间就知道美国绿卡要等很久,想着毕业以后还要经历那么长痛苦的等待,我那
时每天就琢磨着怎么能尽快解决这件事。
当时已经知道了所谓政治避难、公民结婚之类的,但完全不在考虑之列。然后每天上网
搜绿卡相关的信息,看mitbbs精华,看文学城的皮匠,后来终于知道本科学历可以办
EB3,而EB3的排期可以port到EB2。后来又发现PERM不要求employee已经开始工作也是
可以办的,只要雇主同意。得知这个消息以后我如获至宝,开始疯狂找实习,谈的要求
是只要给办PERM就行,花费我自己出。2008年经济很不好,... 阅读全帖 |
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l**i 发帖数: 139 | 40 最近公司要办绿卡。现在是H1B,律师要我交以前所有的I20。但在整理材料的时候
发现,以前在学校OPT的时候最后一张I20的information错了。OPT其间曾在一家小公
司做了2到3周的unpaid实习就离开了。一直忘通知学校DSO更改信息了。学校把我的
毕业的时间8/30/2012到9/30/2013整个一年的时间都算成在那家小公司里了。可那家
公司在我走后没几个星期就倒闭了。怎么可能继续在那里工作。也怪自己,当时签I2
0的时候也没仔细看。最近问了学校的dso说不能改了。真是后悔呀。不知道会不会有
什么影响。不知开个证明什么的管用吗?还是我已经被判了死刑了。。真是后悔呀。 |
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m*******3 发帖数: 9 | 41 现在考虑试一下这个了,不回国背水一战。。 被拒就直接被遣返??
http://www.upenn.edu/oip/isss/f1/reinstatement
an F-1 student is only eligible for reinstatement if all of the following
conditions apply to the student:
Has not been out of status for more than 5 months at the time of filing the
request for reinstatement (or the failure to file within the 5 month period
was the result of exceptional circumstances and that the student filed the
request for reinstatement as promptly as possible under these exceptional
circumstances... 阅读全帖 |
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a****a 发帖数: 112 | 42 有人用质量好的4寸折射镜,比如Tele Vue的,看遍了Messier
和Caldwell.其实我这里条件也很一般,目视星等一般也就5等-
6等之间,但是有时天气会特别好---大家都说海边雾气重,不
适合看,但是总有雾气很少,天气极其明朗的时候。所以如果
坚持,总能看到的。DSO受灯光影响很大,污染重的时候很可能
找到了也看不见。
觉得梅西耶马拉松没太大意思,如果时间允许,不如慢慢地
仔细看每一个天体,那才是享受。而且很多有趣的DSO都不在
梅西耶表里,梅西耶的本意只是为了给寻彗者提供方便.或者将
来换个好镜子拍照吧,现在的镜子只能拍点行星。 |
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a****a 发帖数: 112 | 43 有人用质量好的4寸折射镜,比如Tele Vue的,看遍了Messier
和Caldwell.其实我这里条件也很一般,目视星等一般也就5等-
6等之间,但是有时天气会特别好---大家都说海边雾气重,不
适合看,但是总有雾气很少,天气极其明朗的时候。所以如果
坚持,总能看到的。DSO受灯光影响很大,污染重的时候很可能
找到了也看不见。
觉得梅西耶马拉松没太大意思,如果时间允许,不如慢慢地
仔细看每一个天体,那才是享受。而且很多有趣的DSO都不在
梅西耶表里,梅西耶的本意只是为了给寻彗者提供方便.或者将
来换个好镜子拍照吧,现在的镜子只能拍点行星。 |
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G********n 发帖数: 615 | 44 中钢澳洲百亿元铁矿撂荒 资产大幅缩水
http://www.sina.com.cn 2011年06月27日 00:37 《新世纪》周刊
财新《新世纪(19.12,0.00,0.00%)》记者 严江宁
中钢能否独自承担起投资在350亿元以上的铁路和港口建设大任?对于目前负债率
高企的中钢来说,这是一个不可能的任务
一个耗资13.6亿澳元(约合93亿元人民币)“敌意收购”的澳大利亚铁矿项目,却因
为港口、铁路等基础设施问题,在收购三年后叫停。2011年6月23日,中国中钢集团公
司(下称中钢)宣布,暂停在西澳洲的Weld Range铁矿项目,停止与之相关的所有工作,
并对在建项目收尾。此外,中钢也将终止Koolanooka和Blue Hills项目以外的所有勘探
工作,关闭在杰拉尔顿的办事处。这些铁矿均为中钢2009年收购的澳大利亚铁矿石商中
西部公司(Midwest Corporation Limited)所有。
这桩收购当时曾被称之为“中国首起成功的海外敌意收购”,如今看来,却因为资
产价值大幅缩水而显得得不偿失。中钢最终是以每股6.38澳元的代价完成了对中西部公
司的收购,并迅速... 阅读全帖 |
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m*******e 发帖数: 6358 | 45 没看懂,DSO什么意思?为什么打地上的俩人?
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T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 46 以前Detroit Symphony Orchestra面试乐手都是隔着一道帘子,力求评委的决定不受肤
色,种族和长相等等因素影响。
1989年被告结构性歧视黑人 (institutionalized discrimination),因为隔着帘子太
多黑人考不上了。后来DSO就专门招了个黑人。
Nationally, African-Americans make up only about 1.4 percent of major
orchestras.Experts cite many reasons, including a legacy of racism in the
arts, school music cuts, fewer opportunities for minority children to study
a musical instrument and a lack of role models.
Another reason may be blind auditions, held behind a screen. The competition
is stif... 阅读全帖 |
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T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 47
过程是公平的,但只要结果不平均,就有case可以指控institutionalized
discrimination。
因为可以说黑人普遍因为学管弦乐器机会少和条件差,因而貌似公平的选拔,对黑人还
是不公平了。
这个DSO乐团的事情当然上不了法庭,但是乐团受政府补贴,反对者就从补贴下手,乐
团马上雇了黑人乐手还建立了专门给黑人的音乐奖学金,到现在成为一个典范。 |
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T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 48 以前Detroit Symphony Orchestra面试乐手都是隔着一道帘子,力求评委的决定不受肤
色,种族和长相等等因素影响。
1989年被告结构性歧视黑人 (institutionalized discrimination),因为隔着帘子太
多黑人考不上了。后来DSO就专门招了个黑人。
Nationally, African-Americans make up only about 1.4 percent of major
orchestras.Experts cite many reasons, including a legacy of racism in the
arts, school music cuts, fewer opportunities for minority children to study
a musical instrument and a lack of role models.
Another reason may be blind auditions, held behind a screen. The competition
is stif... 阅读全帖 |
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T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 49
过程是公平的,但只要结果不平均,就有case可以指控institutionalized
discrimination。
因为可以说黑人普遍因为学管弦乐器机会少和条件差,因而貌似公平的选拔,对黑人还
是不公平了。
这个DSO乐团的事情当然上不了法庭,但是乐团受政府补贴,反对者就从补贴下手,乐
团马上雇了黑人乐手还建立了专门给黑人的音乐奖学金,到现在成为一个典范。 |
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