s*******e
发帖数: 3042 | 1 哦，那好像还不太一样，我昨天遇到的那种，从Lift上看是平的，没有明显的凸凹，但
是表面就好像有人把硬雪犁松了一样，很难形容，刚才google了半天，发现有个名词叫
crud，有点像，但是也不确定是不是 |
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R******e
发帖数: 2254 | 2 Not good for icy snow. I had really bad time once
But they are good on crud. My boots don't fit me very well though :( |
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z******n
发帖数: 336 | 3 Yoss你比较calm,你说的也对,我也觉得diamondblk开始的言辞有要注意的地方,此外不
该比较xiaoju和你们的video,因为这两个video贴出来的目的不一样,一个是讲讲大家一
起高兴滑雪的故事,一个是展示(正确或错误)的滑雪动作,既然出发点不一样,拉到一起
比就没啥意思,然后考虑xiaoju在这的历史,一扯到"技术"就一下炸了锅. 而且
diamondblk逻辑上不严密,作比较当然要以相同条件为基础.
但是我只觉得也不应该因为一个帖子一次言论的不当之处就把diamondblk的人标记为
arrogant,我看他以前发的帖子还有后来的回复就相对平静多了. 人人总有想得不周到
时候.
一句话吧,板上吵来吵去没什么意思,何必哪,以言生恨.
their
crud
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k***z
发帖数: 3522 | 4 完全同意！
BTW,你总是这么耐心，这么能唐，：）
their
crud
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d****r
发帖数: 300 | 5 Yoss, I agree with you that ski skill/pose/rhythm is slop-dependent.
Myself have same problem like yours. But your ski level is slop-independ :-)
For example, xyzok is the level of 10; then you are the level of 9 because
you cannot achieve what he did. We cannot say, skiing on a difficult slop,
nobody can tell other's ski level. When we are judging a skier's level, the
slop factor is already counted in.
their
crud
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Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 6 Not really thou - it is conceivable that you are a master of speed on
groomed runs, because you love long and stiff skis that offers plenty of
stability and can carve beautifully into corduroy surfaces.
However, this skillset is very different than the ones needed by the
backcountry lovers, whose weapon of choice are the big fat skis so they can
float on the 3ft ungroomed cruds.
There are true masters who excels at both, those are the ultimate ski bums.
:)
But my main point is, that I do not fe |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 7 very good snow today, especially the groomers. my twin tip performed
extremely well on the crud today. we had loads of fun going down from the
summit |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 8 park boards don't perform well on crud
多。 |
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k***z
发帖数: 3522 | 9 yeah.
Perfect in crud or powder, : ) |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 10 I like wooden cores. They dampen very well on crud and powder. If you have a
need for speed, go for a pair of heavy carvers. |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 11 BTW, missconduct is a twin tip park ski. park skis are soft and mid-fat.
they perform pretty well in the park as well as powder and crud, but not in
ice. they are not easy to turn and carve. they are not very stable at high
speed |
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815 | 12 thanks for your info.
in Northwest, most of time we ski in crud/ungroomed wet powder
I think the ability to absort shock may be good in this situation.
Anyway, I am going to try it instore first
shock
90
the
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 13 我没比较过。我个人喜欢轻一点的ski，否则滑crud和powder太痛苦了 |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 14 嗯，是差了挺多的，滑起来感觉很不一样。AT ski要应付crud，一般还要背很重的
backpack |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 15 我今天试了新ski，挺不错，groomer上超级responsive，稍微一倒就进弯。crud上还有
点不适应，经常拐多。 |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 16 My plan is to first work on the basics and get a good skill set to work on
for now. I'll definitely need to work more on mogul and crud skills as I
move on to do more backcountry stuff. I'll see if I can find a good mogul
camp around here.
there |
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k***z
发帖数: 3522 | 17 Tried out my new fat baby the past weekend, both in bound and in backcountry.
Overall, I am very satisfied with its performance.
It has rocker tip and reverse camber. Don't ask me what those technical
words mean, because I don't really know, :P
But it definitely help the skis to flow on TOP of the snow (powder, soft
snow, and crud) as the manufacturer claims!
Despite the fat waist, the ski are surprisingly easy to turn; I did a little
tree skiing, which was really fun.
Did pretty good job on mo |
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f********y
发帖数: 883 | 18 I had the Mantra 184 (94waist) for over two seasons, here are my personal
observation: it is so powderful in those long arc turns, good in crud, ok in
powder, ok on grooms, no good in bumps or short turns. It is not a soft ski
so not a good option if you like to play some tricks. Lastly, heavy and
demanding, but can be very fun in those powdery days with long turns or no
turns. |
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r*****8
发帖数: 39 | 19 Not try to disagree.
One of my best ski friends got a pair of 2011 shogun early this season.
He is the best carving skier I have seen in this small New England ski
resort. He skied about 20 yrs, >50 times per year recently. His
previous one is 2009 tigershark 8 foot (maybe that is the reason:)).
The shogun looks very pretty in the snow. He told me they are light,
works very good in crud, easy to turn in mogul, much better than 8 feet
in powder. But it is difficult to carve, to "trust the edge".
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f********y
发帖数: 883 | 20 I had the Mantra 184 (94waist) for over two seasons, here are my personal
observation: it is so powderful in those long arc turns, good in crud, ok in
powder, ok on grooms, no good in bumps or short turns. It is not a soft ski
so not a good option if you like to play some tricks. Lastly, heavy and
demanding, but can be very fun in those powdery days with long turns or no
turns. |
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r*****8
发帖数: 39 | 21 Not try to disagree.
One of my best ski friends got a pair of 2011 shogun early this season.
He is the best carving skier I have seen in this small New England ski
resort. He skied about 20 yrs, >50 times per year recently. His
previous one is 2009 tigershark 8 foot (maybe that is the reason:)).
The shogun looks very pretty in the snow. He told me they are light,
works very good in crud, easy to turn in mogul, much better than 8 feet
in powder. But it is difficult to carve, to "trust the edge".
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r********7
发帖数: 229 | 22 here is some my feeling about P100. Hope it helps for someone who is looking
around.
bought 2011 line prophet 100 (134-100-125) @ 179cm end of last season and
tried today in packed power groom runs at gunstock.
Awesome awesome ski for today's condition: short radius turn is easy with
perfect rebound energy; s-carve is easy to perform for controlling speed;
long radius carving (on blue and black runs) is unexpectely amazing: very
stable and easy to initiate; much better on some loose granules d... 阅读全帖 |
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m***h
发帖数: 23691 | 23 groomed tail上吃力的话是技术还差得远
ungroomed的话，因为湿雪阻力大，完全要自己去破。要求高跟多。
湿的crud难度就更大了
当然水平高的，滑什么都不费劲 |
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d**p
发帖数: 1800 | 24 我没有发表什么观点，也没有阐述什么逻辑，你看不懂很正常
plough湿雪累也好，不累也好，最多算个人现象，都算不上物理”原理“。“原理”这
顶帽子很高大的，小心使用
照你的意思，湿雪是试金石，你上个雪季末已经可以轻松飘下，那就是验出真金，晋升
高手行列了，恭喜恭喜
我是说“如果你还在克服plough“，请充分理解“如果”表达的假设。我没有说你就是
个练snow plough的，也没有说你不是。我不知道，所以假设了一下。希望大家的理解
能力在同一个水平上
“最主要毛病就是你贴的这个教学网站提到的snow plough，根据snow plough 的程度
的不同，累的程度也就不一样。”那你的意思是说，克服了snow plough，就通过湿雪
试金石的考验了？这个试金石也太廉价了吧
又按照你的说法，上个雪季末才在湿雪上找到感觉，算是刚刚克服snow plough。这个
雪季才开始。就算我说你“还在克服plough“，好像也没有误差太多
另外对下面那个贴一起回了。湿雪，英文叫crud。定义是“抓在手上可以捏成雪球的雪
“。如果手松开，雪也松开，那个是干（粉）雪。东部所有雪场造出来的雪，基本上都... 阅读全帖 |
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n*****a
发帖数: 1327 | 26 原来是打算bc用的。不过今天看起来in bound powder也挺好用的。
脚上感觉比我另外2副 mythic rider(184cm 16lbs 10oz!!! with px fluid px12 binding)和
b104(194cm 14lb 15oz with marker griffon)轻多了。187长度正合适，powder不错头不容易扎
下去，本来担心有点长，但有Rocker不会太难转，后面长度足够，sit back反馈比较明显；硬度适中,不
需要太aggressive适合我的情况。groom,icy或压crud肯定不如mythic rider稳。 |
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P*****s
发帖数: 263 | 27 昨天去了趟丝瓜。下周一有环加州自行车赛，马路上看到好多帅哥美女在练车。不知道
是因为这个还是啥，这周末丝瓜开了KT，Headwall, Gold Coast还有Shirley，可以不
用坐Cable就上高山，比上周日就开KT和Cable强多了。可惜Super Pipe关了，只能从远
处瞭望了一眼。
俺趁机整了几个ski来demo。
第一个：Salomon Shogun, 长1米82，腰围101。四个lift来回走了一趟，很满意。Lots
of fun。稳定性和转弯都不错，唯一哆嗦了一把的就是碰上一块ice。现在春天的雪况
，Mantra和Shogun最合适了。但是Shogun可能更versatile。像今天丝瓜的这种不到一
尺的powder，我觉得Shogun也能应对。可惜我有事昨天就回来了，没赶上。
第二个：Salomon Czar，长1米82，腰围111。这款2011的Czar，tip/tail rocker，脚
下camber，对付像今天的powder肯定特合适。昨天没有pow，在groomer上面转弯很容易
，在crud上面费点劲，不过也不难。总的来说，比Shogun操控起来要... 阅读全帖 |
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x***k
发帖数: 3311 | 28 挂靴啦？
今天Snowbird阴天，slushy and crud. It snowed at 3pm... |
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r********7
发帖数: 229 | 29 not a guru; i am learning as well.
This video makes sense for me and helps me how to ski soft snow/crud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54Rhdvaf30Q&feature=results_main
IMHO, the challenge is how to release the edge at end of turn when the snow
is soft/sticky. Basically there are two ways: by raising your upper body (
jumping) as the Bode shows; the other one is by flexing (keep torso steady,
while pull your legs towards your torso).
The first way is good at lower speed, the latter way is good at... 阅读全帖 |
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O****e
发帖数: 3290 | 30 Comfort! Powder (or crud) skiing is different from carving. It will take
some time to master. Best wishes for your recovery. |
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r********7
发帖数: 229 | 31 第一个雪季就这样，你这是天才呀。
根据onedge前辈的帖子 （http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Ski/31232877_3.html），你这short radius turn已经很好了.特别是远看很好。你滑近镜头的时候好像有些懈怠了，动作稍微有些变形。特别是点杖，已经乱了节奏。我个人感觉short radius节奏很重要的。不过你形态很好了。再熟悉熟悉肯定没问题。
另外友情提醒下，我个人觉得你滑的这种short radius turn对雪况要求很高，太icy没
法edge,太power/crud/slush没法release edge。所以下次如果你使不出这招了别灰心
，等雪好的时候再练：）good luck~ |
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r********7
发帖数: 229 | 33 类似sidecut的说不定你可以试试Salomon BBR, Line prophet 90, Salomon Shogun,
Volkl Kendo等
我自己现在用Line prophet 100在东北，非常非常喜欢，carving,power,crud,short
radius,skid等都非常好
Salomon Shogun版上有人推荐，我的一个好朋友不是很喜欢，他说在东北的硬雪上不太
好carving |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 34 我不喜欢滑槽的，太重，而且太高。我喜欢没有base plate的，滑groomer速度快的时
候控制没那么灵敏，不过滑crud感觉好一些 |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 35 我不喜欢滑槽的，太重，而且太高。我喜欢没有base plate的，滑groomer速度快的时
候控制没那么灵敏，不过滑crud感觉好一些 |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 36 具体说说看有什么不合时宜的技术？我从头到尾看过一遍这套教程，倒是没觉得。我也
滑过老的unshaped板子，不过那是很久以前了，不大会滑的时候。不记得跟shaped板子
有什么区别了。倒是最近换的rocker板子让我觉得滑powder和crud容易多了。 |
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e**n
发帖数: 1326 | 37 今年Demo了不少的雪橇,不过感觉还是不太吃的准应该买哪个,希望版上高手们出出主意
。我只在NY和VT滑过，大部分的时候都是人多冰多的周末,没见过powder...
我本人高5'7'', 155 lb. 感觉是中级吧，能handle黑道（比较喜欢Killington
Superstar/ Hunter Hell's Gate 这样没有bump的大黑道）但是carving还是不会，学
习中。Double Black 看着脚发软，可预见的将来应该是不能上的。
说说我试的板吧：
K2 Charger @162： 感觉不错，比较硬。edge 好像很有抓地力。不过那天是很早的
season,都是人造雪，非常非常的冰，没有很多机会去好好的试，不知道雪厚速度快起
来会怎样。
rossignol experience 80 @ 160: 板子很笨重，那天正好是下雨加雪，雪又湿又crud
，滑的感觉非常不灵活，很拌。
Fischer Motive 76@ 168: Store ran out of size. 给了我一个168的，然后这一天就
悲剧了。感觉太长了，急转什么做起来很不方便。在人多路窄冰多的... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******r
发帖数: 1285 | 38 你要考慮板子是在哪裡用 ... 如果是在東岸 - 則硬中窄板比較吃得住冰面!
crud |
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n****s
发帖数: 138 | 40 对比一下自己的滑雪水平
原因很简单,就是自己不知道自己的水平到底在那里。要知道自己的水平,就要有一个客
观的衡量标准。 为此美国划雪教练协会(PSIA)为双板发展出四阶段九级的衡量标准,在
此翻译出来让大伙参考。 觉得自己学得慢的人可以增加点成就感。觉得自己牛的人可
以知所不足,补强之后得以更上一层。 更重要的是提供一个有系统的学习方法,让大家
可以按步就班的进步。
第一阶段: 初学(Beginning)
Level 1: 第一次划雪。 会站,走,直线下划(straight gliding),犁式直线下划(
gliding wedge)。开始学犁式转弯(wedge turn)。
Level 2: 划了两三个小时,能以犁式(wedge)应付初学者练习区,开始可以左右连续的作
犁式转弯,弯形越来越圆。开始学上缆车。
Level 3: 可以在初级道自如的作犁式转弯。 探索不同大小及形状的犁式转弯。 开始
学犁式并腿转弯(wedge-christie turn)。(注:以犁式入弯, 双板平行(parallel)出弯,
为犁式转平行的转换过程)
评语:大部分的人在划第二第三次时应该可以达到这个程... 阅读全帖 |
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d*********e
发帖数: 3835 | 41 LEVEL 7
Description: You are comfortable and confident on all blue square and easier
black diamond terrain, including moderate moguls and ungroomed snow. You
can modify your technique and tactics from a growing quiver of options,
linking dynamic carved turns with consistent rhythm on blue groomed terrain.
Skiers usually ski parallel, with effective pole use. Snowboarders can mix
carved and skidded turns.
What to expect—depending on your needs and goals:
- Continue to refine balance and develop s... 阅读全帖 |
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b*******e
发帖数: 6482 | 42 [北方的] Breckenridge 雪山介绍
山中十日，日出日落，山前山后，受益匪浅。
愈发知道自己的不足，亦更加热爱滑雪这项冬季运动。
一、山
伟大平原的尽头，岩石山脉拔地而起。在三千米高原，穿过世上最高的公路隧道，满眼
一片白雪皑皑的世界，便是十哩山。山中隐着数处村落，其中之一便是曾经的三不管淘
金王国、如今的滑雪胜地，Kingdom Breckenridge。
十哩山中有十峰，以数字为名。Breck得其半：六、七、八、九、十。
峰十全黑，以Mustang, Dark Rider等双黑林道为主，辅以数条不同难度的黑道。
峰八、九全能，从新手区的魔毯到双黑钻的雪碗、高矮Racing Hill、大小Terrain
Park等一经俱全。峰九前山多蓝道，后山有双黑林海，又以Tom's Baby最为有名。百年
前汤姆大叔于此山中偶得金块，包裹入怀谎称得子以避人耳目。金重十三磅，堪称科罗
拉多史上最大。
多舛莫过峰八，上山需乘世界最高的Ski/Chair Lift，再步行数十丈方可登顶。山临绝
顶，群峰环绕，叹为观止。山北另有独特T-Bar上行，可一览雪碗风情。
自峰八山顶北徙，渡双黑谷可达... 阅读全帖 |
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b*******e
发帖数: 6482 | 43 [北方的] Breckenridge 雪山介绍
山中十日，日出日落，山前山后，受益匪浅。
愈发知道自己的不足，亦更加热爱滑雪这项冬季运动。
一、山
伟大平原的尽头，岩石山脉拔地而起。在三千米高原，穿过世上最高的公路隧道，满眼
一片白雪皑皑的世界，便是十哩山。山中隐着数处村落，其中之一便是曾经的三不管淘
金王国、如今的滑雪胜地，Kingdom Breckenridge。
十哩山中有十峰，以数字为名。Breck得其半：六、七、八、九、十。
峰十全黑，以Mustang, Dark Rider等双黑林道为主，辅以数条不同难度的黑道。
峰八、九全能，从新手区的魔毯到双黑钻的雪碗、高矮Racing Hill、大小Terrain
Park等一经俱全。峰九前山多蓝道，后山有双黑林海，又以Tom's Baby最为有名。百年
前汤姆大叔于此山中偶得金块，包裹入怀谎称得子以避人耳目。金重十三磅，堪称科罗
拉多史上最大。
多舛莫过峰八，上山需乘世界最高的Ski/Chair Lift，再步行数十丈方可登顶。山临绝
顶，群峰环绕，叹为观止。山北另有独特T-Bar上行，可一览雪碗风情。
自峰八山顶北徙，渡双黑谷可达... 阅读全帖 |
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q*c
发帖数: 17993 | 44 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
qmc (qmc) 于 (Thu May 20 01:31:40 2010, 美东) 提到:
http://www.evogear.com/info/helpcenter/494.aspx
Rocker Guide - What is "Rocker" and why does it matter?
In 2003, we had one rockered option available - the beloved Volant Spatula;
this year we offer over 150 rockered models in our rocker skis and rocker
snowboards categories for every level of rider. We've been amped for years
on the concept and can't wait for everyone to experience a rockered ride.
This ... 阅读全帖 |
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N**D
发帖数: 10322 | 45 好像现在很流行rocker. 这个对付crud比较好，但是对于groomed是不是还是不如
camber? 还是说这个型号很牛，通吃。 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 46 在什么地方？体重？水平？一切默认的话：
tree - bridge
park - bridge，最不济也是个twin tip。其实这两个都不适合park。
groomer - Elan，amphibio这种内刃camber外刃rocker的高级货基本是为groomer而生
的。88 waist或许能帮助点过crud。但是树里雪多的话可能会陷下去。bridge宽一点并
且full rocker。对于大西部powder来说都太窄？ |
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发帖数: 3431 | 47 今天在alta租了一天的demo ski, 试了rossignol的soul 7和experience 88. 本来还想
试试bonafide，不过只有180的有点偏长就做罢了。
先租的soul 7，一开始感觉就非常好, good response, predictable and precise
turn, 不
愧是skinet评分all mountain里综合分排第三的ski! 只是一开始binding的din给我调
的太松，脱了三次，害得我有此放不开 。groomer上，不论是高速GS，还是快节奏小回
转，比我现在的k2 shockwave都精准稳定很多。off-piste，mogul上更是充分表现了操
控性和稳定性，如果不是我技术还练的不够好，简直能用随心所欲，心到ski 到来形容。
中午去换了experience88, 也算是能排进前二十的，号称crud性能排第一。两趟下来没
有太出彩，也许是今天alta雪太好了的原因。maneuverability比较起soul 7略有不足。
太想念soul 7了，于是又下山换了回来，专门要求把din调高些。然后整个下午就太爽
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发帖数: 1231 | 49 嗨，大家应该到 New Mexico 的雪场滑滑才知道自己多幸福, 那儿的雪场只有绿道才
勉强groom 的这么好，蓝道就是 crud 和 bump 了，TAOS 的 双黑 就是几乎和地面垂
直的一路bump (夸张点了), 而且雪道都很窄，哪儿有你这样宽怎么平整的黑道让你这
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发帖数: 5690 | 50 我还多数不是 有几次是雪橇插到雪包里面去 人继续往前飞出去那种 有几次是感觉失
控 越想控制 越失控了
最近两天滑了你说那种crud 不过是整个坡都是的 感觉控制 反应能力都有提高 就像你
说的 很多时候不能硬来 要跟着地势的flow 等有合适机会再转 不过总体对基本功要求
更高 得随时随地 有机会该转就能转
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