w****o
发帖数: 2260 | 1 Lifestyle
If you bought $100 of bitcoin 7 years ago, you'd be sitting on $72.9 million
now after new record high
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/bought-100-bitcoin-7-years-081422112.html
Monday marks the seven-year anniversary of Bitcoin Pizza Day – the moment a
programmer named Laszlo Hanyecz spent 10,000 bitcoin on two Papa John's
pizzas.
More important than the episode being widely recognized as the first
transaction using the cryptocurrency is what it tells us about the bitcoin
rally that... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38591929
China crackdown sends Bitcoin sliding
1 hour ago
From the section Business
REUTERS
Chinese spot checks on Bitcoin trading have hit the digital currency's value.
China's central bank said it wanted to investigate market manipulation,
money laundering and unauthorised financing.
Chinese exchanges trading in the currency have seen the price of Bitcoin
fall more than 16%.
The move comes as Beijing's tries to crack down on money flowing out of the
country i... 阅读全帖 |
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W***n
发帖数: 11530 | 4 Bitcoin boom! Price now above $6,500
by Paul R. La Monica @lamonicabuzz
November 1, 2017: 1:01 PM ET
Some investors may still think that bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are a
bubble about to burst. But bitcoin just got a big boost from one of the
world's biggest financial marketplaces.
CME Group, owner of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and Chicago Board of
Trade, announced Tuesday that it plans to start listing bitcoin futures
contracts during the fourth quarter.
Futures let investors buy ... 阅读全帖 |
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C****g
发帖数: 2220 | 5 兩日價跌逾三成 泡沫或爆破
【明報專訊】一年升值78倍的網絡虛擬貨幣Bitcoin（比特幣），近日遭內地打壓。繼
人民銀行在周四（12月5日）表明，Bitcoin非真正貨幣，更禁止金融機構使用後，內地
科網巨頭百度昨晨亦發聲明指出，拒絕收取Bitcoin。結果，其價格在兩日內跌逾30%，
有專家認為Bitcoin已「炒牎埂br />
內地加強打壓Bitcoin炒風，繼人行明令禁止金融機構
涉足後，內地3大科網巨頭之一的百度，亦表明響應人行的呼籲，宣布由上周五開始停
止接受用戶以Bitcoin付費。集團解釋，由於其價格近期大幅波動，無法保護用戶的利
益。然而，同樣接受Bitcoin付費的阿里巴巴及騰訊（0700），暫時未見任何動靜。
金融機構禁用 阿里騰訊未禁
由於Bitcoin的交易全年無休，百度禁止的消息發布後，價格繼續下跌。根據目前全球
交易量最高的平台比特幣中國的資料顯示，截至昨日晚上9時，每個Bitcoin的價格跌至
4600多元（人民幣‧下同）的水平。由人行在12月5日發禁令起計算，Bitcoin的
價格短短2日內，大瀉逾30%（見圖）。
實際上，Bitcoin的... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 6 Bitcoin作为网上转钱的工具，具有快速，费用低，不会被追踪的优点。
我不知道为什么现在网上扑克室没有普遍采用这个方式存取钱。但是将来是有可能的。
现在有少部分网上扑克室用这种方式存取钱。从提交提钱申请，到钱提到自己的
Bitcoin户头，大概在两小时之内。而从自己的Bitcoin户头，转钱到自己的银行，需要
2-4天。
用Bitcoin存钱取钱，需要开两个Bitcoin有关户头（都是免费）。
第一个是www.circle.com。这个户头的功能，是把钱从自己的银行，转出来并换成
Bitcoin，或是相反。（同样功能的网站，还有www.coinbase.com。但是coinbase把$转
换成Bitcoin要收取1%手续费）
如果美国法律不禁止网上赌博，就可以直接用circle.com转bitcoin到网上扑克室。但
是现在circle.com禁止和网上赌博发生关系。所以需要开另一个Bitcoin“钱包”。这
种“钱包”有很多，我推荐blockchain.info。在blockchain.info开户以后，先从www.
circle.com转bitcoin到blockchain.in... 阅读全帖 |
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V*****2
发帖数: 7930 | 7 优点
1、无需信托中间人，能够方便地进行互联网上的汇款。
[1]第三方不能够控制或者阻止您的交易。
2、 Bitcoin 交易几乎免费，而信用卡的网上在线支付系统通常收取 1-5% 的交易费用
，加上其他各种费用高达数百美元。
3、避免了中央储备银行的不良政策和不稳定性所造成的安全隐患。Bitcoin 系统的有
限货币通胀是均匀分布(由CPU决定)于整个网络，而不是由银行垄断。
缺点
1、Bitcoin 可能被用来从事非法活动，包括销售盗版和伪劣商品，偷盗信用卡甚至儿
童色情，并且还有个灰色领域，Bitcoin 可以让美国的成年人在英国合法的博彩网站下
注而不用担心交易受到限制。
2、易被封杀。目前 Paypal 和信用卡公司都宣布销售Bitcoin 非法。CoinPal 已经冻
结了Bitcoin 的交易。也有分析人士认为政府在未来12-18个月内会封杀 Bitcoin。
3、按照设计，Bitcoin的世界很可能将有持续不断的通货紧缩，原因是货币供应在
Bitcoin的世界里将会渐进到一个指定的水平，而一旦使用Bitcoin的人越来越多，进行
的交易越来越多，必然意味着通货紧缩。[2... 阅读全帖 |
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r*****e
发帖数: 7853 | 8 Is bitcoin a bubble? Maybe. Maybe not. Only time will tell. But there are
some small publicly traded companies trying to ride the wave of
cryptocurrency and blockchain mania that look pretty sketchy. Call them the
bitcons if you will.
The Securities and Exchange Commission suspended trading Tuesday of The
Crypto Company until January 3, citing "concerns regarding the accuracy and
adequacy of information" about compensation paid to promote the firm and
plans for insider sales.
The Crytpo Company ... 阅读全帖 |
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m**********e
发帖数: 12525 | 9 bitcoin总量固定，但是人类GDP一直在增长，也就是说财富一直在增长
这造成bitcoin币值必须随着GDP增长而增长，
由于这个原因，N年前一块钱买下的一个bitcoin,N年后价值就会增长成为(1+N)^a,
所以，先拥有bitcoin的人，可以自动掠夺后拥有bitcoin的人的财富，这种掠夺，
根本不用枪炮，只要你买了bitcoin,就自动给已经拥有bitcoin的人自己的财富了。
所以，bitcoin必须禁止，这种货币，是违反基本金融规则的 |
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l*****u
发帖数: 12114 | 10 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: mm05 (lotus), 信区: Military
标 题: Bitcoin CEO 被抓 － 洗钱
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jan 27 12:48:14 2014, 美东)
NEW YORK (CNNMoney)
U.S. government agents have arrested Charlie Shrem, the CEO of Bitcoin
exchange BitInstant, charging him with laundering money for customers of
online drug bazaar Silk Road.
A U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York said Shrem, along with
alleged co-conspirator Robert Faiella, sold more than $1 million worth of
bitcoins to Silk Road custo... 阅读全帖 |
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m**5
发帖数: 729 | 11 NEW YORK (CNNMoney)
U.S. government agents have arrested Charlie Shrem, the CEO of Bitcoin
exchange BitInstant, charging him with laundering money for customers of
online drug bazaar Silk Road.
A U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York said Shrem, along with
alleged co-conspirator Robert Faiella, sold more than $1 million worth of
bitcoins to Silk Road customers. Faiella, a Florida man who allegedly runs
an underground Bitcoin exchanger using the alias BTCKing, was also arrested.
Acco... 阅读全帖 |
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c********l
发帖数: 8138 | 12 BitCoin的确有软肋。
不过这些软肋，别看回复中叽叽喳喳，但其中没有几个说到点子上
BitCoin的软肋：
1，有其它crypto currency可替代。
如果bitcoin的币值过高（或者过低），人们，尤其是新来的，会选择其它货币
另外，其它crypto currency可能在技术上有更先进之处，比如发送更快，更匿名等。
只要可替代货币得到一定数量人们的认可，就OK。
2，价格涨得过快，失去货币的值能。
货币的一个特性就是稳定，既不能过涨，也不能过跌。
按照目前bitcoin这个涨法，前一天商议好的价格，第二天就能涨30%，
这对于买家是一个沉重的负担。
这样一来，虽然卖家希望收bitcoin，但买家不愿意付。一个巴掌拍不响，交易无法进行
所以，要bitcoin回归“货币”本职，就必须保证有比较低的volatility
目前这么涨法，volatility过高，市场的参与者只能投机
3. 价格越高，越不安全。
想想吧 ，如果你有100个bitcoin放在交易所，如果每个值2000美元，
你怎么才保证这些coin都是安全的？你能相信交易所吗？你能相信天下无hacker吗 |
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x****e
发帖数: 1780 | 13 【 以下文字转载自 Stock 讨论区 】
发信人: xiaxie (挺尸大将), 信区: Stock
标 题: bitcoin有助美国资本撤离中国
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Nov 23 14:08:04 2013, 美东)
先在中国用人民币把Bitcoin炒上去，再到国外把bitcoin提现。坑的是国内和国外的屁民
如果国际资本家要tg用外汇把它们在中国赚得钱换成外币，没多久TG就会外汇管制。
所以FED和中国央行勾结好了，都表态不反对虚拟货币，我们俩双赢。
等国际资本大部撤离中国，FED和TG就会宣布bitcoin非法。
然后土共关门打狗，大规模贬值RMB以维持就业，外国资本也避免了损失。
你看看，就中国米国bitcoin热。
所以阿，这bitcoin市值才1B, 得给他弄到500B, 才会崩盘。 |
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t**********s
发帖数: 2968 | 14 Nasdaq Soon To Start Bitcoin Futures. What Next?
Summary
CME Group, the world's largest futures exchange, has announced that it has
self-certified the listing of Bitcoin futures contract by December 18th.
CBOE Futures Exchange and Cantor Exchange are "operational ready" for
Bitcoin futures and awaiting listing date.
Along with CME and CBOE, the mighty Nasdaq is joining the Bitcoin rush.
Bitcoin is moving to mainstream as a tradable asset class
-----------------------------,see link below
https:/... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 15 Taiwan aims to regulate bitcoins according to AML rule before the end of
this year. It is reported that the minister of justice in Taiwan, Qiutai
declared in the last Friday that the aim is to establish the relevant
regulatory mechanism before the Asia/Pacific Group on Money Laundering
visits Taiwan. The report pointed out that the group on money laundering is
an intergovernmental organization, which is similar to FATF and will visit
Taiwan to evaluate its work on money laundering.
The chairman ... 阅读全帖 |
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d*b
发帖数: 4453 | 16 乱说，你怎么不说佛罗里达的一个墨哥当初用上万bitcoin买了个pizza呢？ bitcoin开
始时大家都不当回事，有过的几乎全卖了。能留到现在的没有几个。
取得bitcoin的方式事实上有两个：
一个是和股票一样从市场上买入；
另外一个是挖矿，就是根据运算方法，依据挖矿人矿工多少也就是挖矿机输出的算法比
值，构建矿区block，在里面寻找待发行的新bitcoin。当然，现在发行量是倍数级别减
少的，也就是矿会越挖越少。
但是，中国某个有5800台矿机的某家矿主，年度输出的算法总合大约占全球算法总数
的6%， 一年能挖上千个bitcoin呢。 |
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l*****7
发帖数: 153 | 17 And also, I see their points on solving the problem of double transaction
and securing anonymity. But they don't really ensure bitcoin has the
quality
to be a currency, that is, what would be the global effect and trend if
using bitcoin. There are online articles indicating that bitcoin has
built-
in deflation. http://www.quora.com/Bitcoin/Is-the-cryptocurrency-Bitcoin-
a-good-idea
I am not a finance or econ major. I think people should consider seriously
before making an investment.
But still, ... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****7
发帖数: 153 | 18 And also, I see their points on solving the problem of double transaction
and securing anonymity. But they don't really ensure bitcoin has the
quality
to be a currency, that is, what would be the global effect and trend if
using bitcoin. There are online articles indicating that bitcoin has
built-
in deflation. http://www.quora.com/Bitcoin/Is-the-cryptocurrency-Bitcoin-
a-good-idea
I am not a finance or econ major. I think people should consider seriously
before making an investment.
But still, ... 阅读全帖 |
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x****e
发帖数: 1780 | 19 先在中国用人民币把Bitcoin炒上去，再到国外把bitcoin提现。坑的是国内和国外的屁民
如果国际资本家要tg用外汇把它们在中国赚得钱换成外币，没多久TG就会外汇管制。
所以FED和中国央行勾结好了，都表态不反对虚拟货币，我们俩双赢。
等国际资本大部撤离中国，FED和TG就会宣布bitcoin非法。
然后土共关门打狗，大规模贬值RMB以维持就业，外国资本也避免了损失。
你看看，就中国米国bitcoin热。
所以阿，这bitcoin市值才1B, 得给他弄到500B, 才会崩盘。 |
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t**********s
发帖数: 2968 | 20 World's largest bitcoin exchange, bitFlyer, enters the US
Tokyo-based bitcoin exchange bitFlyer has obtained a license to operate in
New York and 40 other states.
The Japanese government is friendlier toward bitcoin than many other
authorities, contributing to Japan's dominance in bitcoin trading.
BitFlyer plans to offer zero percent trading fees in the U.S. through the
end of this year.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/28/worlds-largest-bitcoin-exchange-bitflyer-
enters-the-us.html |
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发帖数: 1 | 21 1, 得了老年痴呆，bitcoin的账号和密码都忘了
2，出了车祸，死了，忘了留遗嘱给亲人，告诉他们bitcoin的账号和密码了...
随着时间的积累，这些丢失的bitcoin会不会导致bitcoin越来越少，最后bitcoin自己
灭亡了 |
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发帖数: 1 | 22 https://www.wsj.com/articles/most-bitcoin-trading-faked-by-unregulated-
exchanges-study-finds-11553259600?mod=hp_lista_pos2
Nearly 95% of all reported trading in bitcoin is artificially created by
unregulated exchanges, a new study concludes, raising fresh doubts about the
nascent market following a steep decline in prices over the past year.
Fraudulent trading volume has dogged cryptocurrency trading for years, but
the extent of the market manipulation has been difficult to determine.
Bitwise A... 阅读全帖 |
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g**1
发帖数: 10330 | 23 http://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/bitcoins-in-space
Bitcoins in space
57
22 November 2013
Author Image for Richard Branson
By Richard Branson
@richardbranson
Virgin Galactic is one of the universe’s most exciting, futuristic
companies. Bitcoin, the virtual currency, has really captured the
imagination recently as one of the world’s most innovative businesses
looking to the future. So we think it is about time Virgin Galactic
customers can choose to pay with bitcoins. |
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w*********r
发帖数: 42116 | 24 Updated, 7:46 p.m. | On its face, it looked like a typical government raid:
Federal agents shut down an online drug marketplace, seizing millions of
dollars of ill-gotten gains in the process.
But there was just one problem. The money was in Bitcoin. And since last
fall, the government has been trying to figure out how it can sell it for
the maximum amount.
The federal government is responsible for selling property taken from
criminals, including cars, yachts and fine jewelry. But Bitcoin, a com... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****7
发帖数: 153 | 25 Has anyone read their paper on how bitcoin works
http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf? I read it and it looks though not
rigorous, at least very interesting. They defined the coin as a chain of
time-stamped electronic signatures. The technique is based on encryption.
But they didn't give the details on how the network should synchronize, so
I am wondering the details on that part. I should develop more time to
look at their references.. BTW, When I googled the term bitcoin, I saw no
one seriousl... 阅读全帖 |
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k**o
发帖数: 15334 | 26 bitcoin itself is also not reproducible. The correct analogy is you are
trying to promote another type of metal such as aluminum and you have
decided that aluminum has same value as gold and everyone should just accept
your valuation.
The success of bitcoin depends on the community around it. If you could
convince everyone to accept your "witcoin" instead of bitcoin, you will be
successful. But as long as the community accepts bitcoin as the one and only
crypto virtual currency. All other imitat... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****7
发帖数: 153 | 27 Has anyone read their paper on how bitcoin works
http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf? I read it and it looks though not
rigorous, at least very interesting. They defined the coin as a chain of
time-stamped electronic signatures. The technique is based on encryption.
But they didn't give the details on how the network should synchronize, so
I am wondering the details on that part. I should develop more time to
look at their references.. BTW, When I googled the term bitcoin, I saw no
one seriousl... 阅读全帖 |
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k**o
发帖数: 15334 | 28 bitcoin itself is also not reproducible. The correct analogy is you are
trying to promote another type of metal such as aluminum and you have
decided that aluminum has same value as gold and everyone should just accept
your valuation.
The success of bitcoin depends on the community around it. If you could
convince everyone to accept your "witcoin" instead of bitcoin, you will be
successful. But as long as the community accepts bitcoin as the one and only
crypto virtual currency. All other imitat... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 29 这个不过激？
发信人: skydive (跳跳~~修竹凝妆，垂杨驻马), 信区: Investment
标 题: Re: bitcoin
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jun 20 12:56:34 2011, 美东)
那你还来这里贴什么？
建议版主同主题删除
发信人: skydive (跳跳~~修竹凝妆，垂杨驻马), 信区: Investment
标 题: Re: bitcoin
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jun 20 15:18:04 2011, 美东)
fine . 原来你是只希望大家买bitcoin，抬高价格你好profit，
不希望大家follow mining machine竞争。呵呵
anyway，ponzi就是ponzi，就别给自己贴"investment"的金了。
这个游戏最终的结果只能是lose everything。就算有人暴富，
一旦政府介入，非法印钞罪可不是好玩的。比别的ponzi还不如，
谁让你们自己claim是currency的？呵呵
技术上说，其实如果从你这里买了bitcoin，赚钱还罢了，赔钱
了去打911说有人诈骗，你就等... 阅读全帖 |
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m*****i
发帖数: 4342 | 30 Jim Cramer called it money laundering and urged the justice department to
ban the bitcoin.
Richard Branson who owns virgin airline claimed that the airline would
accept the Bitcoin to purchase ticket, ask the price fluctuation, he said
airline would take the risk. Branson was an early investor of Bitcoin. He
refused to disclose how much he paid for the Bitcoin and size. |
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C**Q
发帖数: 162 | 31 就是一个游戏，就看看搞到谁手上音乐停了。
怎么可能能对付通货膨胀呢？ bitcoin 在所有货币的基础上多出一个虚拟币， 只会增
加通货膨胀。 除非能强迫所有国家接受所有货币总量与bitcoin总量挂钩，这个比建立
共产主义难度还大。 除非武力才有可能达到。 我建议bitcoin的炒作者去宣传这玩意
儿是
外星人整出来拯救地球的，哪个国家不接受本国货币总量和bitcoin挂钩，就把哪国领
导人抓到小黑屋去喝咖啡聊天。 这样把它搞上天去再砸到地下，早死早超生。 |
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w********2
发帖数: 16371 | 32 bitcoin 上暴富的故事太多了，远远高于赌场。
bitcoin 的整个价值建立了很多年，而且是实打实烧出来的，大家对bitcoin 的认识还
在初级阶段，
bitcoin 能走的路还很长。 |
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w******n
发帖数: 13202 | 33 bitcoin的调整时间将在bitconnect崩盘的时候，和bitcoin本身无关，但是因为
bitconnect是个明显的骗局，所以bitcoin会被牵连。
bitconnect的market cap突然跳水式的下跌，说明提款的人越来越多，或者设局人开始
跑路了。
最早年底，或者明年初应该见分晓。
届时bitcoin也会砍一截 |
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s**w
发帖数: 499 | 34 Bitcoin surges to record above $6,400 after CME announces launch of futures
for digital currency
CME says it plans to launch bitcoin futures by the end of the year,
pending regulatory review.
Bitcoin surges to a record in response to the announcement from the
world's largest futures exchange.
The growth of bitcoin derivatives is also another step toward the
development of the digital currency as a more established asset class. |
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c******a
发帖数: 4400 | 35 早球的很，而且可以防范性更新
https://futurism.com/bitcoins-security-quantum-computers/
The researchers found that the application-specific integrated circuits (
ASICs) currently used by most cryptocurrency miners should be able to
maintain a speed advantage over quantum computers for the next 10 years, so
miners likely won’t be able to use quantum systems for nefarious purposes
in this manner for at least a decade.
While conventional computers don’t possess the necessary computational
power to derive a privat... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****8
发帖数: 1083 | 36 我在xiaoxiaoren的帖子里提出过这个观点，比特币的不可存续会是个问题。
[在 drugbull (赶英超美) 的大作中提到：]
:1, 得了老年痴呆，bitcoin的账号和密码都忘了
:随着时间的积累，这些丢失的bitcoin会不会导致bitcoin越来越少，最后bitcoin自己
:灭亡了 |
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G**Y
发帖数: 33224 | 37 "Digiconimist" produced a widely cited projection of bitcoin energy
consumption, and, at nearly 90 million kWh used per day, bitcoin mining
hardware consumes roughly the same amount of electricity as Denmark. A
single bitcoin transaction--which currently can take up to 22 hours to
settle--uses as much power as eight American homes in a single day.
If the current growth rate in power consumption continues, by February 2020
the bitcoin network will consume as much power as the entire world does
ri... 阅读全帖 |
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N*****d
发帖数: 9872 | 38 https://thedailycoin.org/2017/12/08/bitcoin-bubble-bitcoin-going-1-million-
going-zero/
Earlier today, Zero Hedge posted a chart that showed how meteoric Bitcoin’s
rise has been…
$0000 – $1000: 1789 days
$1000- $2000: 1271 days
$2000- $3000: 23 days
$3000- $4000: 62 days
$4000- $5000: 61 days
$5000- $6000: 8 days
$6000- $7000: 13 days
$7000- $8000: 14 days
$8000- $9000: 9 days
$9000-$10000: 2 days
$10000-$11000: 1 day
$11000-$12000: 6 days
$12000-$13000: 17 hours
$13000-$14000: 4 hours
$14000-$1... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 39 GBTC跟BITCOIN CASH的价格有关系吗？它是不是跟主要的BITCOIN及其分叉有关系？
如果有关系，现在BITCOIN跌，BITCOIN CASH涨
GBTC的价格会怎样？ |
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t******e
发帖数: 2009 | 40 1，有其它crypto currency可替代。
这是有可能的，但是在可预见的将来还没有看到有替代品。
2，价格涨得过快，失去货币的值能。
涨这么快是暂时的，因为谁也不了解bitcoin和现实货币的兑换率到底应该是多少
但是bitcoin的机制就是确保了bitcoin本身不会过快地贬值，所以当兑换率稳定
以后，bitcoin是一个很稳定的货币。
3. 价格越高，越不安全。
确实已经发生了多起hacker偷钱的事情，而且能确认的只有这些钱确实不见了，
是谁干的，这些钱现在在谁手里都不知道。每偷一个，比特币就跌一次。
这个是比特币的一个很大的弱点，信用卡被盗用了可以到信用卡公司去退钱，
比特币就没地方去讲理了。 |
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c********l
发帖数: 8138 | 41 List of cryptocoins: （怕被无脑钻风删贴，故不加link了，自己找）
MAJOR:
-BTC Bitcoin - first, strongest, most accepted, most mined, high volume
market, a true currency
-LTC Litecoin - second only to BTC , faster than BTC, Small efficiency gap
between GPUs and CPUs , ASIC - proof
-NMC Namecoin merged mined with BTC, used for alternative p2p domain system
MINOR:
-PPC PPcoin Proof Of Stake [very innovative, low energy ] , compatibile
with BTC miners
-TRC Terracoin based on BTC, fast difficulty adjustment - miner-j... 阅读全帖 |
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l********k
发帖数: 14844 | 42 肯定是有人在用现实货币大量买入bitcoin，谁知道是什么人呢，说不定就是俄罗斯的
黑帮老大们，也有可能是华尔街，趁bitcoin还未成型先买断。等到bitcoin将来成为广
泛使用的网络货币之后，再用自己的储备操盘控制汇率...
不过现在的汇率也一定程度体现了对bitcoin的预期。之前它的能量没体现出来，所以
便宜。 |
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k*z
发帖数: 4704 | 43 你们自己偷偷摸摸的玩就行了，没必要跟我们争个谁对谁错吧。
我们一群SB大骂你，大骂bitcoin,你没必要浪费时间跟我们灌水回骂啊，还给我们解释
原理。浪费这时间教育我们干啥，赶紧挖矿赚钱买显卡。你啥时候看见有大把内幕消息
的股票庄家出来告诉股民如何炒股的。即使事前放消息，也是给我们小股民造烟雾弹。
我搞不懂诶， 别人有个什么炒股的内幕消息，赚钱的绝招，或者公司有什么战略转移
，都是藏着掖着，为什么你们搞Bitcoin的人恨不得全天下的人都只这个赚钱，恨不得
拿出挖祖坟的劲鬼吹他的好，恨不得有给我们当爹的尽头来教育我们要相信bitcoin,应
该一起来搞。
以前，有两种事情 貌似很赚钱，搞得人-还不怕别人知道，还不怕你参与。 一个是中
国股市，一个是传销(集资算传销的一种吧)，不过从今天开始，又多了一个， bitcoin |
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g****t
发帖数: 31659 | 44 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: guvest (我爱你老婆Anna), 信区: Military
标 题: Bitcoin 是unstoppable的
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Dec 8 23:50:16 2013, 美东)
首先，看不懂中本聪原来论文的就别发言了。
中本聪的文章全面enginneering了戴伟等先驱的想法。达到了最后这个
看上去很简练，但实际上规避了大量风险和漏洞的成品 。这不是偶然或者运气。
他的每一步设计都是有很深的工程技术上的tradeoff在内的。
很多东西如果不追溯密码朋克那一卦人之前反复讨论过的各种陷阱，
你压根看不懂。
第二，Bitpay每天 7M交易量，这足够说明了需求和这个设计的强壮。
这还只是次要的需求。
第三，Bitcoin值多少现美金，根本无关紧要。你琢磨下中国有多少贪官
需要把人民币洗到美国吧。考虑进出的延迟，比特币洗钱的时间假设为T.
如果T时间内比特币的波动造成的潜在损失不大，那就是及其优良的洗钱手段。
而且这里有个正循环。洗钱的人越多，越稳定的利于洗钱。
一边有coinbase,另一边有... 阅读全帖 |
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C****g
发帖数: 2220 | 45 你还是看看纽约时报怎么说的吧：
One striking thing about the map: Bitcoin is increasingly a Chinese craze.
Even at the height of the American and European trading days, when it’s 3 a
.m. in China, Chinese transactions far outstrip activity in euros. The
United States dollar transactions are still more popular than Chinese at
that time, with about twice as many transactions. China was barely involved
in bitcoin a year ago, however. The Chinese presence can also strengthen
when it is daytime in China and night in... 阅读全帖 |
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 46
That doesn't mean it's a legal currency. Trades conducted with bitcoin in
legal definition is probably close to barter trades. Barter trades are very
hard to tax because the value of trade is hard to define. Now that bitcoin
has an exchange rate with real money, its value is determinable, and thus
taxable. But tax will still be paid in domestic currency, not bitcoin. |
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a*****2
发帖数: 423 | 47 美元事实上让全世界尤其是中国成为美国人的奴隶，全世界范围插管吸血，窃取劳动人
民的劳动果实来养美国黑墨穆（公平的说，三是不包含在内的）。人民币挑战美元对中
国来说是路线没错，但危险系数高（欧洲和老毛子的下场我们也看见了），而且即使成
功也逃不过历史的循环。即使成功了，几十几百年后也难免循环走。折腾来去，都是短
期利益。总归还是没有促进人类整体进步，只不过是天平一会倾斜东方，一会倾斜西方
，如此往复，日久不息罢了。
我提出个想法，让bitcoin成为世界货币，可以保持公平，谁也没义务给别人当奴隶。
每个人都只能给自己当奴隶。
bitcoin本质是个货币实验，他的理论基础可以确保其天生的公平性。分布式系统，谁
也没有控制权，任谁也别想插管吸血。等于是回到以物易物的基本模式结构，以物易物
是商贸的本质，货币回到其原本的功能：仅仅为了携带方便而已。
bitcoin和美元 人民币的根本区别在于其本质不是政府或任何金融机构发行的货币，他
的decentralized本性是其革命性所在。他的出生源于其创造者对于政府或任何机构的
不信任 |
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l******2
发帖数: 2994 | 48 按说，他们收了BITCOIN，但是他们的顾客或供货商需要美金，它就得把BITCOIN卖出去
。BITCOIN对美元比率稳定的话不会成问题，但是这种每天每小时都波动可咋整？难不
成他们知道这东西肯定长，今天早上买的，晚上肯定能卖高？或者屯着？他们有那么多
现金储备马？谁告诉他们100%只涨不跌？零售商TIGERDIRECT屯货可以理解，但是屯现
金好像就走火入魔了，不理解，困惑求解。 |
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s**********n
发帖数: 868 | 49 I just read a little about it. It's definitely a brilliant invention and
worth some discussion.
I don't think it will eventually prevail as a currency since:
1) Security is always an issue. Even though the algorithm and transaction
sequence are kept in every node and cross-checked at any moment, as long as
they can be updated, it's certainly possible and eventually inevitable that
a malicious version will take over the entire network.
2) I don't see the proof that this "bitcoin" system is unique... 阅读全帖 |
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s**********n
发帖数: 868 | 50 No, you don't get it. This is fundamentally different.
We are talking about a currency that is expected to mimic gold. Gold is a
store of value because it's not reproducible. Not only can't you produce
gold out of air, the number of similar alternatives are also limited (silver
, platinum, etc...), and they settle at a relatively stable exchange rate
with gold.
When (if) the bitcoin economy grows and its value appreciates, you will find
the early users commands an amount of bitcoin currency vast... 阅读全帖 |
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