j******e
发帖数: 1424 | 1 I played WII Tiger Woods Tour last year before I start real golf.
I was really good in the game. However after I play real golf I can barely
hit straight in WII game with correct backswing. So I totally gave up the
WII golf now. I believe it hurts my real swing
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u*********r
发帖数: 2735 | 2 does your hip turn too much in backswing?
btw, he meant your head sways to right. |
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发帖数: 10701 | 3 关于backswing所能达到的高度，一个是和挥杆节奏有关，一个是你身体的灵活性
flexibility，
3和你身体的灵活性也有关系，是的，你该避免以移动，无论上下还是左右。 |
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发帖数: 9 | 4 Thanks. There are two opposing ideas about head position. Some people think
that it should not move. The other say it should move to the right a little
bit.
I actually believe that most back-related injury is due to keeping head
stable. No matter how you train your flexibility, it's just inevitable that
you will hurt your back if you don't move your head. After hitting 100 balls
, I feel my back locked up.
I know that by moving my head to right during backswing and then move back
during downswin |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 5 you mean his arm distance to his body at the top of his backswing?
or ur idea model is like vijay singh's drill, put a towel under his arm and
his chest? |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 6 After almost one-year lay-off from the swing mechanic, I go back to look
some swing videos..
since Ben Hogan's swing is the best at all time. I paid another attention on
it..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fsl7aozegEM&feature=related
like this one.. basically, I am doing the same in terms of the backswing.
but I changed the swing plane in the top which makes my downswing plane
deeper (upright). I don't like my current swing which is different from what
I had one month ago..
i don't like Ben's either |
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j*****j
发帖数: 290 | 7 don't know why i am so uncomfortable to swing woods even i can hit 2 iron
well(teeoff), but i still need more effort to work on this
"focus on your head position, make sure your head is 'BEHIND" the ball in
the
I think my woods swing is not the ssame as iron's. just feel woods is much
much longer than irons. is it too long to swing for me? it is just 2 inch
longer than 2 iron. when backswing, i can feel it. feels can't handle that
long. or because of the weight of woooods or irons?
the |
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j*****j
发帖数: 290 | 8 Thanks! everybody. At least I knew I am not alone.
I think ET's suggestion 'so i would suggest your focus on ball in stead of
the woods head.' makes lots sence. everytime when backswing, i thought this
is big club head , should be different. but for iron swing, i will not think
about the club head, I just think right swing action. maybe this thought
make different swing.
"I think the major difference between these two lies in the setup, head and
weeping
This is also very good comment. need to |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 9 i like this guy's comment.
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Not bad stuff..........he's got part of it........and that is a very nice
golf swing which I like a lot.........but, he's WAAAAAAY more down the line
than Mr. Hogan........way, way, way, more down the line........but, there is
a lot of Hogan AND Moe in that swing......in fact, it's sort of a "hybrid"
and is a swing well worth emulating........and he's correct about the
similarity between Mr. Hogan's and Moe's backswings.......from about w |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 10 这我完全同意， 挥杆的确是很个人的事，很难用些机械的东西来判断好坏。
这也是从去年开始起，我更强调＂基本功＂和＂感觉＂这２样，还有就是＂commitment
＂ ＆ ＂concentration＂ － 尽管这２个都可以归类到感觉里。
Seigo的身体的确太紧张，至少看起来是，要么就是他一般衣服穿得太紧的缘故。我不
知道他是如何能成为个最好的shot－maker的，他的backswing 到downswing和大多人的
动作似乎是正好相反。 |
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u*********r
发帖数: 2735 | 11 I donot link Sergio Garcia the person, but I like his swing very much.
he hits down on every shot, iron or driver, and he has a very smooth
transition from backswing to downswing.
If Sergio and Anthony both get hot in British Open, it will be a lot fun to
watch.
commitment
我也 |
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 12 I guess the pro you mention is sean o'hair. I watched the clinic on golf
channel.
Well, driver off the deck requires lots of skills. I don't even think about
doing it. I'd be happy to hit my fairway wood solid but 40 yards shorter. hehe.
BTW: I've been watching lots of youtube videos from that instructor, very
instructive, but don't like his backswing, too much hip turn.
year
driver
,
ball
and |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 13 he has a hands-hinge movement when he starts his backswing which is what I
am working on. this one will help my takeaway fall too much inside. |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 14 his swing plane is exactly what I am looking forward to.. I have the
downswing plane, not the backswing..
his hands finish is a bit weird for me.. I don't know how that comes out. |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 15 the owner's comment:
it took him 6 months to have his backswing changed.. I plan to do it in 2
weeks.. lol.....
_----------------------------
So after working hard and focused on a change when it becomes grooved then
it will be consistent. The problem is that most golfers never work long
enough on any one change. If I could see your swing sure I could tell you
how to swing from the inside but without a system and focus that you get
with a good instructor and plan you will never make it a lasting |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 16 it's a good question, but actually, i can't answer it. 'coz I don't know the
hinge thing that much. I am always doing the one-piece takeway, like this
guy's swing : kevin Na.
which makes my club head way inside of my hands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0EKksPTyk0&feature=related
the quick hinge is..most likely, I mean it's just about the timing. don't
overdo it. I know (even myself back to years ago), expect to have a swing
plane like Ben Hogan, so I hinge my wrist to start my backswing which |
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x**h
发帖数: 162 | 17 I watched this vedio online before. He seems didn't turn his hips as much as
the other people i had seen. And his hand finish backswing at a very high
position to me. Do you think that it is because he is tall and skinny? |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 18 我的comment:
for the flat backswing, 我很同意，这也就是我的问题所在，我必须在swing top上
停顿足够长时间来调整plane，这样我的downswing plane才能在我想要的地方。这也是
我现在没法看ben hogan swing的原因，当然他的其它基本功的东西依然是最好的。
至于downswing plane， 如果采用upright one, 就如你说的，很难在club face回到垂
直球的位置，或者attach ball from inside， 这里有个trick, 实际上是2个trick,
是against人的common sense的， 所以很难理解；同时， upright swingplane ，如果
miss，很大程度上就是push 或者hook；但掌握这个trick后，只要动作不仓促，还是很
容易避免的。
这也是，everyone gets some secret.
the
likely
sync |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 19 这首先是个系统，比如最初这个swing video里的swing plane， 无论backswing and
downswing; 用ben hogan的动作，我觉得我说的trick一点不起作用；
第2是球杆如何离开球做back swing 的,我希望球杆就这样回到球的位置，一点没
forarm/wrist的rotation， 这个可能也是against the instinct.
接下来才是trick， 比如说pull这个动作，和sweep球underneath （从球下扫过球，就
如扫地般）一个意思（对我）， 而不是hit the ball or strike the ball, 还有就是
注意力要在前手臂上，因为那是唯一一个你能控制球杆面去square的club face的地方。
所以，如果只说这2个tricks, 可能一点帮助也没有，而且我教练教的，更有些old
school的概念， 但我认为是consistent击球的精华。
我对那些老将，比如rocco meidate, 上周的冠军perry什么的动作欣赏更多，我最希望
我的动作就是看起来象个老头的动作(就节奏和完成动作而 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 20 re-watched several different videos from this guy..
now doubt how could I like it..
alrighty, i like his backswing plane.. |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 21 周五打了16个洞，+4, 按照handicap的算法，最后2个洞按bogey, bogey算成绩，算是
另外一轮的78； 前4个洞得到+5, 后面bogey一次，birdie2次。 前面的也许可以没热
身来解释。
刚结束了一个新球场， Colo vista, 前九洞 +4， 后九洞 +4，共80， 球场长度7013
码， par 72, 可惜了前9洞中的3个bogey，都是在距离球洞15 feet之内的chipping
shot, 也许是果岭不同的原因，球停的太快，导致没能球pars。这3个的确是太简单了
，我猜是不太适应那果岭的缘故。
总之，这可能就是我的经来最真实的水平，high 70's， 4左右的handicap； 对击球的
动作还是没信心，只是也许是近乎天天练习的缘故，才把成绩保持在这样，不知道不天
天打会怎么样。
对我的backswing的动作还是不满意，昨天新拍了些video， 在最高点还是有swing
plane的调整。 我希望我能修改了这个，在几个月内，否则，我的game也就这样了。
high 70's 到 low 70's是个坎。 |
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发帖数: 10701 | 22 the reason I like this video is...
I talked many times in the past that I don't like my takeaway part. My
takeaway lets the club head go too side of my hands which lead a way flat
swing plane (well, for me. ). then I change my swing plane at the top of my
backswing to have the right downswing plane (still, for me. ). I don't like
the swing plane transition at the top , not only it doesn't look good, but
also I guess I have to rely on the adjustment a lot. on the other hand, for
my driver, even I |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 23 我从去年10月还是啥时候开始起，到一个月前，一直是feeling，我也一直在灌输这个
，再加上点commitment， 当然。
不过，backswing还是难看，看着不舒服。
not |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 24 ６月开始，觉得自己击球的质量开始在下降，没太当回事。６月底拍了组照片和录像，
觉得backswing的动作很难看。
其实那动作早在那里，我以为我已经改了，没拍过video去检查。 ６月到７月间，开始
在午饭时间和下班后去练习场改动作。主要改：
１）hinge wrist during takeaway
２）grip － from strong to neutral
正是因为每天中午在１００度的太阳下晒一个多小时全身大汗再回到办公室７３度周而
复始的身体考验，致使我这３个星期每天流鼻梯和打砰涕。我怀疑我同事们都要抓狂了
。
总之，近１个月的练习，再加上晚上很多的研究，再加上＄８００球具的更新，在我已
经开始考虑放弃这项运动考虑一项发展新的爱好时， 事情出现了转机。
修改动作是个痛苦的过程，改点旧习惯总是很痛苦。挥杆动作就那么一下，是个系统，
一定要把它拆成几片同时还要组合它让她工作自然不容易。我每早醒来左手手指都在发
酸，我琢摸着是不是睡觉都在握杆。
因为现在所用球杆的原因，致使任何接触不好的击球，对手腕的作用力都很大。同时，
由于着急的缘故致使节奏变化，downswing做得太快对左膝 |
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Z****n
发帖数: 108 | 25 I remember you or someone else on this board said one should always keep his
weight on the inside part
of his feet, is this true?
However, during the backswing, when I shift my weight from left to right , I
found it's hard to keep my
weight on the inside part of my right feet. |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 26 Yes, it's true.. to keep the weight on the inside part of feet definitely
give you a more stable support, help knee rotation, and reduce lateral
movement.
it's more for setup, actually. however, shifting weight during the swing
process is comparable speaking. like, when you do your backswing, you put
more weight on your right side of your body (assume you are right-handed),
more specifically, on your right foot. since your inside part of your right
foot is supporting your body, so the weight is |
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z***u
发帖数: 115 | 27 1. when setup, don't point your right toe too far outside.
2. during backswing, feel you're locking your right knee.
his
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 28 u guys can watch how early he does the wrist hinge in this backswing.. |
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发帖数: 10701 | 29 i watched a bit, he played so solid 4-round golf. And his iron shot is
amazing.
Poor Phil, Bogeyed 3 of last 5 holes, 2 shot behind the leader.
I still recommended several players' swing which are pretty similar for me.
Stuart Appleby, Lee Westwood, and Phil.
Vijay's backswing, is kind similar with what I tried to improve, his club
head falls too inside of his hands. (his downswing is pretty good.. )
He talked he had his swing changed last year, trying to get used to it this
year. He said he wo |
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j*****j
发帖数: 290 | 30 backswing , your hands should be a little bit higher, otherwise , it is very
good swing
15-
exaggerate
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 31 Thanks. yes, I've been working on getting my backswing more upright for a
while. still too flat in my eyes.
very |
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 32 I am sorry to cause any confusion for using the word "secret". It's not a
secret. I just think I finally get the feeling of correct transition.
basically, i dealy my shoulder turn for a split second in transition from
backswing to downswing. |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 33 guess so..
that's what happened on me for my last struggling.
I would suggest "making a full backswing and make a full-followthrough".. |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 34 spiderman 赢了，终于。
祝贺。这位来自哥伦比亚的，GPA竟然有3.8， 而且来美国时一点英语也不会讲。
每天workout3个小时，（直到最近上周的比赛他说他有点累了，才减到90分钟。）
他的动作其实也很有特点。在backswing的最高点，有个极为明显的停顿，然后再挥出
去， 令人印象及其深刻。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZVeXlOt188
对我来说，印象最深的是最后一轮的第18洞，他2杆领先的情况下，开球开出的那个big
cut, 飞过的距离能越过拐角处的沙坑，简直太牛了；同样Antony Kim的tee shot，真
好短于该沙坑，算是安全吧，Kim依然还有178码的距离到球洞，但Village可能只有150
码左右；同组的Jim Furyk大概有200码多点，他的球在rough里。这是个460码的par 4
， 这样算起来，village的carrying distance 超过300码， Kim在280-290之间，而
Furyk在260码。
如果我的有260码的carrying distance, 看来我也没啥好抱怨的。 |
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i*********e
发帖数: 57 | 35 用木杆时，在backswing到顶部时，应该drop 球杆， 然后才发力击球。如果， 这不是
你的问题的话，你需请人看一下你的STANCE， 看看你是否align up perfectly. 有时
pros 也犯这种低级错误。像 Jack Nicklaus 也干过。 |
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i*********e
发帖数: 57 | 36 先夸下你， 看上去节奏很好。DownSwing 很有动感。 就说两处。
1。握杆太强了。这影响你的SWing。 你可以现在改， 也可以等等，以后改。
2。Backswing， 你应该用身体带动球杆， 而不是用手pickup 球杆太快，太急。
Just my 2 cents |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 38 我定期访问phenoix, 还不如我教你得了。哈哈。
$80太多了，不明白怎么比加州的还贵。我的前instructor，好歹在golf digest还有排
名的，$50/45 mins. 另外一个排名比他高20左右的，$60/hour.
也许钱不是太大个问题，但从选择instructor上讲，我建议找个年龄大些的，脑子相对
来说还是比较灵活的 - 从你和他交谈上来看。
还有，最重要的是，他和你1对你的交流过程中，有没有一个系统的观念，让你能感觉
到他在一个re-build你swing的过程，是system level的step by step & piece by
piece, 而不是piece by piece, here & there.
比如说，我的instructor告诉我说，他给我示范了一下，然后说：我希望你的动作，从
站着，到backswing, downswing, follow-through是这个样子的。因为你现在还不是这
个样子，所以我们一步步来改变你的动作。我基本上就是按照这个思路来学习的。
即使有些时候我打不好，我至少从脑海里能想象是个啥动作，然后来模仿；同样， |
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z***u
发帖数: 115 | 39 in Jim Hardy's one plane swing theory, he also say if your backswing is on
the plane, you can start your downswing by turning your body's big muscle(
the torso you mentioned) as hard as you can, but not the hip rotation only.
自然 |
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m****n
发帖数: 815 | 40 I am wondering what are some good exercises to improve my body's extension.
I am gradually growing confident with my swing. However, one of my problems
is that during backswing, my club cannot go all the way up due to poor
extension. I pretty much have to stop at half swing, my body simply does not
allow me to go all the way up.
I am young, not even 30 years old. I know I always have a poor extension or
stiff body as you can say. I am wondering what did you guys do to improve
the body's extensio |
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 41 Well, I'll give my two cents on your swing. JMOP
You have very good set-up at address and impact position.
But, I would recommend you to video tape a real swing (with ball) instead of
practice swing (without ball). They may look quite different from my
experience.
working on your backswing. It seems that you have a reverse pivot. You seems
lost your spine angle in the 2nd pic, left shoulder too high (without DTL
view, it's hard to tell though).
Imagine your shoulder line and spine form a "T" sha |
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m****n
发帖数: 815 | 42 我怎么觉得你backswing的时候下身起立了？还有你左胳膊是不是弯的有点厉害？ |
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m****n
发帖数: 815 | 43 Well, it seems like if you keep your left arm straight at the top of
backswing, you will not overshoot. So problem 1 and 2 are really just one
problem. |
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 44 In backswing, if you
1. keep right knee's flex (dont straighten)
2. stop sliding your right hip (keep the socket that connecting your right
leg and right hip still)
3. keep your left arm relatively straight
4. keep your arm and body in sync (arm stop moving when shoulder stop
turning, don't lift your arms)
you cannot overturn or over-swing.
back |
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 45 First of all, FYI: my putt sucks.
我微微屈膝
2个
地。
正中， maybe half ball forward
我好像有，记不清了。
I would say mine is slow too.
If I focus on three things. i usually putt well.
1. focus on contact, eyes look down even after ball is gone.
2. no hands action, shoulder turn back and turn through.
3. relatively short backswing, longer follow through, (ET point out this to
me when we fist played together). make sure I accelerate through the ball |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 46 actually, from my experience, there is no way you can do something about ur
two-feet when you initiate your downswing.
it does start from hip rotation. once you have a rotated hip (from open
position to close), your shoulder/arm naturally drop. so this is called hip-
initiated downswing.
However, since hip arc is much shorter than the shoulder/arm acr (which was
the backswing you've done.) shoulder/arm has to fasten to catch up the hip
to make sure the square club fact in the impact. -- this is |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 47 手臂直需要身体比较好的柔韧性，这对后天学习这项运动的人，基本上是个挑战。
当然，只要花时间，总是能达到的，但这是个本末的关系，我个人理解。
在现在senior tour里，很多成名的球员已经无法将手臂伸直了，也无法做整个
shoulder turn，但也不影响他们击出高质量的球。
当然我不是说不该将手臂伸直，我个人认为，在最初的阶段，将练习注意在一些“接触
”上。试着理解球杆面和球如何接触才让你觉得“感觉最好”，哪怕就是一个最小的
backswing motion。
在这个基础上，然后在试着理解如何讲球击得远的动力来源，比如我以前举例的 hip
rotation ，而我们中的很多，如果以前没有类似的经验，实际上用不上腰部力量的。
类似的经验从baseball 或者golf，可能bowling，或者soccer ball kick， 都有这样
的经验。
然后最后就是协调性，手眼协调， 手臂和手，胳膊和手臂，最后的肩部及手，对应Hip
rotation。 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 48 modified my swing recently, from 2-plane to 1-plane, trying to learn 1-plane.
1-plane ask more using core muscle and more commitment to backswing.
the main stand of 1-plane is to reduce variable factors and make it simple.
for more check out:
http://www.jeffrittergolf.com/wiki/show/Jeff%20Ritter%20Golf%20-%20Home
not yet hit balls at range yet, but feel that hit better using 1-plane.
the sequence taken from slo mo video from DLT and face-on, using practice
ball in backyard.
only one week learnin |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 49 3-quarter backswing is the reason I didn't hit as far as supposed to be.
i'll figure it out.
杆洞
woo
打错 |
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F*****y
发帖数: 100 | 50 3 quarter backswing 还能打270,FULL的话可以赶PRO了! BTW,能常年打球真爽,偶还在
这里盼望明天雪能都化(47F),后天再STAY ABOVE 40,偶就下场.好几周没打了.手痒的厉
害呀!
杆洞
woo
打错 |
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