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l**h
发帖数: 7994
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来自主题: Living版 - Hollywood大片正在LA上演
追捕进行时,现在LA附近草木皆兵。
愚蠢可耻的LAPD.
From: Christopher Jordan Dorner /7648
To: America
Subj: Last resort
Regarding CF# 07-004281
I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from
media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and
have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are
saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you
knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen. I know I will be vilified
by ... 阅读全帖
s*****n
发帖数: 2174
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relationship的确重要.
我第一张信用卡申请的chase, 于是后面的信用卡都优先找chase的.
同一个银行多张卡很方便, 网页UI也类似, 同一个login可以管理多个卡.
以至于有一阵我有四张chase卡, 其他银行的信用卡一张也不愿意申.
后来是因为有了Fidelity IRA, 才考虑又申请一个投资帐户和SmartCash帐户,
已经后来申请的Fidelity AMEX (FIA).
对于银行来讲, 对于existing customer, 银行也非常希望继续
加强relationship, 这样可以非常有效的降低attrition的可能.
s*****n
发帖数: 2174
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那就不知道了, 我也肯定不会再申请了.
不过即使这样, chase也算很成功的把我帮定了, 我也不会为了
几百块钱或是百分之几的CB而去申请什么citi, Amex发行的卡.
为了一点苍蝇肉, 还要去一个新的网站, 管理一张单独的卡, 还不够麻烦的呢.
唯一的例外就是Fidelity那张2% Amex, 要不是有Fidelity其他的帐户, 我也不会
专门申请一张当不当正不正的FIA卡.
我觉得对于银行来讲, 如果一个客户只有一个帐户, 那么这个客户是不牢固的,
很容易放弃这个帐户转投他门. 但是一旦客户有多个帐户了, attrition likelihood
大大降低, 不但不容易转投他门, 还很可能放弃其他competitor的帐户而转投自己门下,
来实现最大化的consolidation.
像我有了chase的几张信用卡, 就慢慢的把checking/saving/auto loan都搞到chase,
哪怕是存款利息低点, 贷款利息高点也无所谓, 主要是一家的帐户管理起来方便.
r****l
发帖数: 741
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with 2-3% attrition you can:
prepay utility/fed tax
plastiq pay rent, child care
bestbuy/Amz GC from grocery (if they have gas reward program)
t****1
发帖数: 827
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亲爱的华人同胞们:
美国最高法院正在重新考虑是否需要禁止大学招生考虑种族因素。
美国宪法14修正案“平等保护条款”保证给予每一个人均等机会,而不是针对种族而区
别对待。我们相信,高校招生政策应该符合美国宪法14修正案的精神。很遗憾,亚裔学
生长期以来遭受严重的歧视。“全国高校的经验研究”(NSCE)项目进行了超过9000个
学生采访。普林斯顿大学社会学家托马斯Espenshade进行严格的回归分析,得出如下结
果,此此结果也被新闻媒体广泛引用:如果想被名牌大学录取,在其它条件类似的情况
下,亚裔学生 SAT 成绩必须要比白人高140分,比西班牙裔高280分,比黑人高450分(
总分1600)。(这个分析已经把性别,GPA, 体育等方面的因素考虑在内)
目前已经有41483参与投票,发出我们对大学招生中的种族歧视的抗议。我们
还需要9000多个投票,以显示我们的关注力度。请确保你的配偶,孩子,父母,朋友,
和所有同事能够参与这个请愿。 (如果您是永久居民或者公民, 请参与这项签名请愿
活动,以改变亚洲人被歧视的命运。)
请点击以下的链接参与
http://admin.80-20nj.in... 阅读全帖
z****0
发帖数: 3942
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欢迎北大的ID来挑刺,原文链接在这里:http://www.80-20initiative.net/wordpress/?p=713
A 450 Point SAT Gap: Large Racial Preferences Hurt All College Applicants,
Including the Intended Beneficiaries
Posted on March 13, 2012 by 8020 initiative
Dear Fellow Asian Americans:
41,483 people have shown the courage of their conviction by taking the 80-20
EF Survey. We need 9,000 more votes to show the INTENSITY of your concerns.
A 50,000 total would impress the Supreme Court, as few issues in the US can
mobilize an equival... 阅读全帖
z****0
发帖数: 3942
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来自主题: Parenting版 - 问问支持AA的各位
你要的evidence和data就在80-20的文章里,包括出处。
当然,你有理由选择无视。因为您老已经声明了:“洋文啊?俺老土看不懂。您先翻译
一下,中不中?”
Is the racial preferences in college admission merely a “tie breaker”, a
“nudge factor”, and “one in many” consideration?
The “National Study of College Experience” (NSCE) project conducted over
9000 student interviews. Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade performed
rigorous regression analysis on the vast NSCE database and released the
empirical findings in his 2009 book [1], which was widely cited by the news
... 阅读全帖
z****0
发帖数: 3942
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这是80-20关于亚裔大学录取受歧视的文章。
原文链接在这里:http://www.80-20initiative.net/wordpress/?p=713
A 450 Point SAT Gap: Large Racial Preferences Hurt All College Applicants,
Including the Intended Beneficiaries
Posted on March 13, 2012 by 8020 initiative
Dear Fellow Asian Americans:
41,483 people have shown the courage of their conviction by taking the 80-20
EF Survey. We need 9,000 more votes to show the INTENSITY of your concerns.
A 50,000 total would impress the Supreme Court, as few issues in the US can
mobiliz... 阅读全帖
r******s
发帖数: 1388
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全面介绍的话,必然涉及到非正面的信息,比如辅导,新换校长,attrition等,这里
有hunter的家长吗?有的话打个招呼,我就不说了。
r******s
发帖数: 1388
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全面介绍的话,必然涉及到非正面的信息,比如辅导,新换校长,attrition等,这里
有hunter的家长吗?有的话打个招呼,我就不说了。
u*****a
发帖数: 6276
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来自主题: Parenting版 - Obama: Let schools use race in admissions
Question: How many Supreme Court Justices Are There?
Answer: Currently, there are nine Supreme Court justices on the United
States Supreme Court. The number of justices is set by Congress and has
varied from five to 10. There have been nine justices since 1869. In 1937,
Franklin Roosevelt attempted to add six more justices to the Supreme Court.
He felt the court was obstructing much of his New Deal policies and adding
more members who would agree with his views would help. This was termed the
"C... 阅读全帖
u*****a
发帖数: 6276
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来自主题: Parenting版 - Obama: Let schools use race in admissions
Question: How many Supreme Court Justices Are There?
Answer: Currently, there are nine Supreme Court justices on the United
States Supreme Court. The number of justices is set by Congress and has
varied from five to 10. There have been nine justices since 1869. In 1937,
Franklin Roosevelt attempted to add six more justices to the Supreme Court.
He felt the court was obstructing much of his New Deal policies and adding
more members who would agree with his views would help. This was termed the
"C... 阅读全帖
x****e
发帖数: 1289
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来自主题: Parenting版 - 我来说说藤校
藤校有法学院的也就耶鲁,哈佛,哥大,康奈尔,康奈尔还是T14的垫底学校。。。
其实经历过法学院申请的都知道,黑人和Latino算URM,亚裔和犹太人都是ORM,录取标
准不一样啊
HYS CCN student profile:
YLS http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/profile.htm
38% students of color,没有细分
HLS http://www.law.harvard.edu/prospective/jd/apply/classprofile.html
41% students of color,没有细分
SLS https://www.law.stanford.edu/facts/enrollment-data-transfer-and-
attrition-rates
分的很细,亚裔10.6%,黑人5.9%,Latino 11.4%
CLS http://web.law.columbia.edu/admissions/jd/experience/class-profile
Asian 26%,Black/Afric... 阅读全帖
d****g
发帖数: 7460
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来自主题: Parenting版 - 藤娃谈AA
好像是支持“反AA”的。。
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/10/where-justice-
scalias-got-the-idea-that-african-americans-might-be-better-off-at-slower-
track-universities/?postshare=441449753847673&tid=ss_tw
MISMATCH理论:如果入学时考虑种族因素,导致把学生放倒了他们不MATC
H的地方,只会拔苗助长,导致他们失败。
Sander concludes that had these same students enrolled at a less competitive
school — one for which they were awarded admission independent of race-
conscious criteria — they may have achieved greater success in the lon... 阅读全帖
a*****g
发帖数: 19398
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When the new school year begins math is going to be taught to students by
their traditional classroom teacher, and, according to Matt Yost, Reede Gray
Elementary School principal, that move is being made for a variety of very
important reasons.

By Troy Krause

The basic foundation of math education teaches students that one plus one
equals two.
Starting with the 2016-17 school year, the Redwood Area School District and
the Redwood Area Board of Educati... 阅读全帖
h********r
发帖数: 928
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来自主题: Stock版 - 一个部门要裁12万啊
Postal Service asks Congress to allow 120,000 layoffs, overhaul benefits
Hundreds of thousands of postal workers could soon lose their jobs, or face
drastic changes to their benefits.
According to documents obtained by CNNMoney, the United States Postal
Service is appealing to Congress to remove collective bargaining
restrictions in order to lay off 120,000 workers. It also wants
congressional approval to replace existing government health care and
retirement plans.
The post office claims it nee... 阅读全帖
d******8
发帖数: 1972
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来自主题: Stock版 - Bank of America will cut 30,000 jobs
NEW YORK (AP) -- Bank of America will cut about 30,000 jobs over the next
few years in a bid to save $5 billion per year. The cost-cutting drive is
part of a broader effort to reshape and shrink the nation's largest bank as
it copes with fallout from the housing bust.
The bank announced the job cuts in a statement shortly after Brian Moynihan,
the bank's CEO, disclosed the cost-saving goals in an address to investors
in New York. "We're a much simpler company than we were 24 months ago,"
Moyniha... 阅读全帖
l*********n
发帖数: 1410
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what about fees and attrition, if stay still?
l*********n
发帖数: 1410
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why isnt there any transaction fee, ask/bid attrition for IWM?
l*********n
发帖数: 1410
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to be frank, good conservative strategy for ER season. When it's peaceful,
steady ask/bid attrition will kill the deal.
How could IWM ask for no transaction fee? for all the brokers?
V***6
发帖数: 333
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来自主题: Stock版 - C的ER不是miss了吗?
Citi今天发奖金,很多人没有涨工资,所以成本大减。这会导致很多资深人士离职,新
人更加便宜。人力资源部也是有attrition model的,有大量数据支持推理。
j****i
发帖数: 496
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来自主题: Working版 - 如何辞职才能不得罪老板?
I've had similar problems before - the basic problem is that 6 months of
working in a company is too short. Unless attrition rate is really low in
your industry and <1yr turn over is common, you got to take some action to "
protect the innocence of your resume."
There are several viable options for you:
(1) Find a strong sponsor in your current employer
This was basically what I did. I got the project manager who directly
supervised my work (but not who I report to organizationally) put down
... 阅读全帖
g******7
发帖数: 1532
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来自主题: Working版 - 怎样措辞辞职?
They are just doing their job.
To lower attrition rate to save their own face.
It has nothing to do with you.
Just mean you are not bottom performer.
Don't get too proud/emotional.
h**p
发帖数: 147
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你这个要扳过来不容易。不过你还是可以试着从下面几个方向入手
1。你已经说了china的team之前做过,项目急迫。
2。最好你们有大客户在国内,或是中国市场是你们的发展重点。
3。如果你们的产品是和硬件相关的,那么多半和中国有关,放在中国做比较makesense
,如果是纯软件,那么印度的英语优势就比较明显了。
4。看看公司相关部门有没有中国领导,可以从侧面挺你一下。
5。印度现在cost比北京上海还低,但缺点是attrition rate高,不太容易有长期稳定
的团队。
6。即便项目给了印度,如果中国deliver的quality比印度好,也会是很好的例证。
但总体来说,如果高层决定给印度做,要扳回来不容易。

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TOPIC: mixed models and marginal models with cohort attrition
Name:
Address:
email:
Research Background:
y***n
发帖数: 6764
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一般公司都要在进公司一年左右才给办,加上半年的前期准备,所以09PD的都是07年年
底到08年底进公司的。那段时间labor market很糟糕,找得到工作已经很不容易了。这
样势必perm数量就少了。其实就这其中(certified perm)肯定还有一部分attrition
- layoff
J********t
发帖数: 240
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确实是这样,我递perm的时候正好赶上大裁员,幸运的是裁掉的职位和我不一样。
09年微软的裁员使得半年没有递perm,这也是09年人特别少的原因之一吧。
因为从地域分布看,Washington占的比例很高,微软在其中一定也占有很大比例。

attrition
m*********e
发帖数: 248
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是啊是啊,我们多不容易啊...
当然大家都不容易,
祷告祷告啊,
神的恩典是超越我们所能想的...
哦,不是望着星星祷告,
而是眼冒星星地祷告
哎,版上的种种消息又让我激动了.

attrition
i***i
发帖数: 1632
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Bill to abolish visa lottery moves to full House
Published July 20, 2011 Associated Press
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/20/bill-to-abolish-visa-lotte
WASHINGTON – Every year millions of would-be immigrants take a gamble and
submit their names for the U.S. government's annual visa lottery.
The odds of getting permission to move to the United States are slim at best
— nearly 15 million people applied in 2010 for 55,000 visas — and could
get slimmer.
A bill to abolish the annual lottery was re... 阅读全帖
f*******8
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我觉着等国会复会后会有一场很大的immigration debate. 即使移民团体不推动,像
NUMEBERSUSA这种势力强大的anti-immigration group也会强力推动的, 因为这些anti
所一直依赖的attrition through enforcement的政策随着奥巴马的新政策而瓦解。
让我们拭目以待他们狗咬狗。
****************************************************************************
****
Does Pres. Obama's new amnesty attempt mean E-Verify bill wouldn't work?
By Roy Beck, Thursday, August 25, 2011, 7:20 PM EDT - posted on NumbersUSA
Has Pres. Obama convinced ANTI-amnesty activists to give up on keeping
illegal aliens from holding... 阅读全帖
f*******8
发帖数: 1430
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如果这些DREAM Kid真的按照这个新政策拿到了EAD,那么E-Verify对他们也没有用。我
觉着这是真正让Roy Beck和一些反移民组织最恶心,最窝火的事情。
因为奥巴马这个政策既没有让自己违法,也把移民改革球踢到了国会和反移民组织一边
。如果国会像原来那样什么事情都不做的话,那么大量的Dream kids就可以有EAD留在
美国。这是反移民组织最不想看到的事情。他们原来寄希望的,并大力鼓吹的
attrition through enforcement已经几乎土崩瓦解了。
b**********i
发帖数: 1059
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来自主题: EB23版 - 预测一下下个月的排气吧
08年的pd们hold住的比例肯定要比平均值低。attrition rate 会比较高。一来等的时
间长,二来经济不好。反过来说2007大潮放进去不少本来没机会等到交485的。不过大
潮总算被清理了。
h**z
发帖数: 9751
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http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/slumping-intel-cut-5
Intel plans to trim more than 5,000 jobs from its workforce this year in an
effort to boost its earnings amid waning demand for its personal computer
chips.
The Santa Clara, Calif., company confirmed the job cuts Friday, the day
after Intel Corp. reported its profit and revenue had fallen for the second
consecutive year.
The purge represents about 5 percent of the roughly 108,000 jobs that Intel
had on its payroll at the end of Dece... 阅读全帖
c***n
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只要是麻州居民报名抽签就行。
This year Mystic Valley received 859 applications for admission to grades K-
5. 568 applications were received for next years’ Kindergarten class of
which 44 were from the younger siblings of current Mystic Valley students
who will have preference in admission. Based on current projections and
estimated attrition, without receiving an increase in Mystic Valley’s
enrollment cap, it is likely that Mystic Valley will be able to accept only
50 of the new student applications.
这种学校多么?如... 阅读全帖
c***n
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只要是麻州居民报名抽签就行。
This year Mystic Valley received 859 applications for admission to grades K-
5. 568 applications were received for next years’ Kindergarten class of
which 44 were from the younger siblings of current Mystic Valley students
who will have preference in admission. Based on current projections and
estimated attrition, without receiving an increase in Mystic Valley’s
enrollment cap, it is likely that Mystic Valley will be able to accept only
50 of the new student applications.
这种学校多么?如... 阅读全帖
P*****a
发帖数: 199
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私立怕没有opening呀:(
儿子开学3年级了,一般私立这个年级都是ATTRITION - BASED,没人退学就进不去呀.
g******4
发帖数: 6339
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来自主题: Chicago版 - newsweek的高中排名出来了

----------------------
Newsweek teamed up with research partner Westat to develop our three-step
methodology for 2014:
Threshold Analysis: First, we created a high school achievement index based
on performance indicators (i.e., proficiency rates on state standardized
assessments). For the absolute list, the index was used to identify high
schools that perform at or above the 80th percentile within each state. For
the relative list, the index was used to identify high schools whose
performance e... 阅读全帖
w*****2
发帖数: 1458
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来自主题: LosAngeles版 - Big Bear lockdown
Regarding CF# 07-004281
I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from
media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and
have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are
saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you
knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen. I know I will be vilified
by the LAPD and the media. Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I
do not enjoy but must part... 阅读全帖
S*********g
发帖数: 24893
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【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: StephenKing (金博士), 信区: Military
标 题: 真正的美国新闻:让美国蒙羞的新闻
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 7 23:47:31 2013, 美东)
From: Christopher Jordan Dorner /7648
To: America
Subj: Last resort
Regarding CF# 07-004281
I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from
media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and
have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are
saying to yourself that this is completely out of cha... 阅读全帖
d******8
发帖数: 3017
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MANIFESTO - scrubbed by mainstream media outlets
From: Christopher Jordan Dorner /7648
To: America
Subj: Last resort
Regarding CF# 07-004281
I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from
media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and
have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are
saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you
knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen. I know I ... 阅读全帖
p**********u
发帖数: 15479
41
【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: Tashkent (SiempreAqui), 信区: Military
标 题: LA屁地估计是要当场击毙这个前警察
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 7 21:48:39 2013, 美东)
此人在FB上揭了警察局这些乱七八糟的黑幕,又是个黑人。留他活口肯定是重要不安定
因素。此人被和谐几率超高。
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/christopher-dorner-wri
他说的也还挺实在的:拉丁警察对拉丁移民也粗暴。亚裔警察就在旁边看着,这群废物
果然不出所料。
From: Christopher Jordan Dorner /7648
To: America
Subj: Last resort
Regarding CF# 07-004281
I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from
media reports that I am suspected ... 阅读全帖
m****s
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【 以下文字转载自 Quant 讨论区 】
发信人: mytt80 (tt), 信区: Quant
标 题: Wall Street No Longer a Beacon for the Young - zt
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov 22 15:30:16 2011, 美东)
Earlier this fall, Steve Ferdman celebrated getting a job offer Credit
Suisse in the usual Wall Street fashion. Over expensive oysters and dark rum
cocktails at a trendy Manhattan restaurant with his parents, he toasted
landing the full-time position after working six months as a consultant
without benefits.
A week later, Mr. Ferdman, 28, sat alo... 阅读全帖
a*o
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110315/pl_ac/8065460_comparing_jap
Comparing Japanese Disasters: Hiroshima, Nagasaki, 2011 Quake
William Browning William Browning – Tue Mar 15, 1:00 pm ET
Contribute content like this. Start here.
Three major tragedies have marked Japan's modernization in the past 100
years. The end of World War II was marked by two nuclear bombs detonated
over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Now in 2011, a massive natural disaster could
lead to more problems with reactors marking another p... 阅读全帖
m****s
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【 以下文字转载自 Quant 讨论区 】
发信人: mytt80 (tt), 信区: Quant
标 题: Wall Street No Longer a Beacon for the Young - zt
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov 22 15:30:16 2011, 美东)
Earlier this fall, Steve Ferdman celebrated getting a job offer Credit
Suisse in the usual Wall Street fashion. Over expensive oysters and dark rum
cocktails at a trendy Manhattan restaurant with his parents, he toasted
landing the full-time position after working six months as a consultant
without benefits.
A week later, Mr. Ferdman, 28, sat alo... 阅读全帖
j****y
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作者:匿名用户
Gettysburg, PA: Today, in historic Gettysburg, PA, Donald J. Trump presented
a game-changing plan for his first 100 days in office. This revolutionary
“Contract with the American Voter” will ensure that America’s economy is
revitalized and citizens are protected.
今天, 在葛底斯堡Gettysburg,PA, 特朗普发布了他的革命性的入主白宫100天计划.
这个名为“我与广大美国选民的契约”将会保证重振美国经济, 确保国民安全。
“I’m not a politician, and have never wanted to be one. But when I saw the
trouble our country was in, I knew I couldn’t stand by and watch any... 阅读全帖
j****y
发帖数: 597
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作者:匿名用户
Gettysburg, PA: Today, in historic Gettysburg, PA, Donald J. Trump presented
a game-changing plan for his first 100 days in office. This revolutionary
“Contract with the American Voter” will ensure that America’s economy is
revitalized and citizens are protected.
今天, 在葛底斯堡Gettysburg,PA, 特朗普发布了他的革命性的入主白宫100天计划.
这个名为“我与广大美国选民的契约”将会保证重振美国经济, 确保国民安全。
“I’m not a politician, and have never wanted to be one. But when I saw the
trouble our country was in, I knew I couldn’t stand by and watch any... 阅读全帖
M****a
发帖数: 11261
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来自主题: Oregon版 - 有人周末想去看电影么?
connection啊,你要是在一个动荡不安的公司呆几年你就发现你的前同事们已经开始渗
透各个公司
了...
其实我真是想不通啊,我们公司现在attrition rate非常高,我们组都是under-staff
的,像我们
这样remote工作的其实是最稳定因素了,不会轻易跑路,干活儿也很积极,要争取
visibility,
promotion也不指望了,加工资也不指望了,干嘛要拿我们开刀呢,难怪job market好
一点大家都纷
纷跑路了,我现在就希望跑路的人再多一点...
h**z
发帖数: 9751
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【 以下文字转载自 Arizona 讨论区 】
发信人: hznz (hznz), 信区: Arizona
标 题: Intel to Cut More Than 5,000 Jobs in 2014
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jan 18 00:46:46 2014, 美东)
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/slumping-intel-cut-5
Intel plans to trim more than 5,000 jobs from its workforce this year in an
effort to boost its earnings amid waning demand for its personal computer
chips.
The Santa Clara, Calif., company confirmed the job cuts Friday, the day
after Intel Corp. reported its profit and revenue had falle... 阅读全帖
w******x
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yearly attrition alone has been ~4%.
d*2
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-03/u-s-added-39-000-jobs-in-november-unemployment-rose-to-9-8-.html
By Timothy R. Homan - Fri Dec 03 13:53:33 GMT 2010
Employers added fewer jobs than forecast in November and the unemployment
rate unexpectedly increased, underscoring the Federal Reserve’s decision to
pump more money into the economy to spur growth.
Payrolls increased 39,000, less than the most pessimistic projection of
economists surveyed by Bloomberg News, after a revised 172,000 increase ... 阅读全帖
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