z**r
发帖数: 17771 | 1 刚才去了一家local的appliance商店，倒是miele和asko都有，不过sales强烈不推荐
asko，对miele赞不绝口，另外强烈Bosch。
现在问题是miele washer and dryer一套下来要3200，Bosch有优惠，原价1900一套，
现在只要1500不到。Bosch质量到底如何？没怎么听说过这个牌子，miele多花1700买一
套值得吗？到底好在什么地方？ |
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P*********a
发帖数: 809 | 2 miele, asko, 我可以1699加税买front load一套，samsung, bosch要1300左右，纠结
阿 |
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P*********a
发帖数: 809 | 3 thanks, 价钱和samsung差不多。
miele，asko除了持久耐用，还有什么好处？洗的更干净？不伤衣服？再次感谢 |
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z**r
发帖数: 17771 | 5 bosch质量如何？比whirlpool, samsung之类的比呢？那个sales说bosch质量和asko差
不多，但是略微便宜些，主要是德国的零件，美国组装的。
miele还得配房子呀？虽然比其他贵，毕竟也总共就3000多，还不如一个沙发贵，没那
么玄乎吧？虽然道听途说很多关于miele的好，不过似乎都是围绕牌子，俺还是比较注
重质量，质量好，多花点也是愿意。半天了，没有一个正面说miele到底好在哪里。。。 |
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t*********r
发帖数: 2558 | 6 [声明]本帖不骂人，不黑日，仅是从一个文科生消费者角度谈体验和比较民科的理解
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小时候，我是伴着日货长大的一代人，家里第一台电视机是12寸的黑白HITACHI，第二
台电视机是14寸彩色的HITACHI，第一台空调是MITSUBUSHI ELECTRIC，后来搬大房子后
的空调是DAKIN和SANYO。家里第一台冰箱是TOSHIBA，第一台录像机是NATIONAL，第一
台组合音响是AIWA，第一个卡带随身听是SONY，第一个MD随身听是PANASONIC......
对日本货的感觉就是————质量好！作为一种对记忆的保存，比我小不了两岁的14寸
日立彩电还被我爸保存着，而且还能成像。后来买的超贵的DAKIN空调也没有那个听起
来像拖拉机的三菱电机窗机制冷好。......
日本货的经济性和耐用性毋庸置疑，但是后来我们开始买些高档的德国货和美国货，有
了使用体验的比较后才意识到”日本货好“是一种比较不讲究的小农感慨。记得当时我
家买了ONKYO组合音响，第一听感觉音效牛逼... 阅读全帖 |
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t**********3
发帖数: 12623 | 7 Asko更耐用，Miele更好看，都很好，我想爱Miele但是Asko真的更耐用，我爸妈家90年
代买的走私Asko洗衣机到现在还可以用 |
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G****a
发帖数: 10208 | 8 【 以下文字转载自 Automobile 讨论区 】
发信人: theislander (Peace de Wars), 信区: Automobile
标 题: 美国货 日本货 德国货
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Apr 23 13:13:57 2012, 美东)
[声明]本帖不骂人，不黑日，仅是从一个文科生消费者角度谈体验和比较民科的理解
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小时候，我是伴着日货长大的一代人，家里第一台电视机是12寸的黑白HITACHI，第二
台电视机是14寸彩色的HITACHI，第一台空调是MITSUBUSHI ELECTRIC，后来搬大房子后
的空调是DAKIN和SANYO。家里第一台冰箱是TOSHIBA，第一台录像机是NATIONAL，第一
台组合音响是AIWA，第一个卡带随身听是SONY，第一个MD随身听是PANASONIC......
对日本货的感觉就是————质量好！作为一种对记忆的保存，比我小不了两岁的14寸
日立彩电还被我爸保存着，而且还能成像。后来买... 阅读全帖 |
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d**u
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zher (民工.铜豌豆) 于 (Mon Sep 27 01:58:52 2010, 美东) 提到:
今天家里的烘干机居然坏了，前房主留下的。做了下调查，发现miele或者asko的质量
最好，不过查了一圈，发现sears, HD, Lowes等地方都没有这两个牌子的，不知道费城
的同学有没有用这两个牌子的，哪里买的？
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zher (民工.铜豌豆) 于 (Thu Sep 30 13:15:00 2010, 美东) 提到:
对想买miele或者asko的同学，可以查查离你近的Gerhard's Appliance。俺去的是
Malvern那家，这两个牌子都有，也有其他牌子比如Bosch, Whirlpool, 等。Delivery
是$35，但是他家有rebate，就免费了，包括安装调试和把旧的拿走。如果几家店都有
的东西，价钱可以跟其他店做price match，感觉比在sear's or HD等地方买划算，
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发帖数: 2198 | 10 这几天新房在买洗衣机，在一家专业做进口电器的公司，看了Toshiba, Panasonic,
Sanyo, Bosch, Miele, Asko
日本货基本外型第一眼看上去很夸张，恨不得洗衣机也造成Star Wars风格，各种绚丽
的彩色LCD和触摸屏，但是洗衣机比欧洲货轻很多，商家说欧洲人用铜管铜阀的地方日
本人用的都是塑料。买回家一看这么大一个液晶屏的洗衣机才六七千块，瞬间性价比这
个词就冒出来了。
德国货就是中规中矩的设计，逻辑模糊控制方式很简单，旋钮选择的功能分得很细这是
德国人的思维方式，Bosch的材质远不如Miele，Miele的确是洗衣机中的战斗机。
瑞典货最贵，可怜的一寸宽单色小液晶屏跟日本货比来就像90年代的计算器，记得非礼
猫常赞叹Lexus车里液晶屏大，日本货只能走在看得见的地方走乡村路线。Asko设计简
单都是平面和直线条非常瑞典，部件和材质都太实在，一个洗衣机比别的重十几公斤。
可惜实在太贵了，一个washer+dryer下来要4万多人民币。
最后还是选了德国货。 |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 11
少见的牌子? Viking is most popular brand in kitchen appliance in US (for
nice homes). Dacor is the second most popular US brand for kitchen (I am not
talking about cheap home here). Miele and Asko are both big european that
sells very well in US. Miele makes other major appliance (best european
brand in my opinion) while asko only specialize in wash machine and
dishwasher so they are really good (that is why it deserve to be mentioned
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 12 Miele is just as good as asko, if you can not find deal on asko, you can try
miele.
Lots of local store sell one or other brand, but not both. |
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z**r
发帖数: 17771 | 13 maytag, kenmore现在都是whirlpool的东西，质量还过得去。洗衣机坏的太多了。西门
子要比这些好，Bosch也是西门子的东西。但是和miele, asko比就差些了。详细问过
Bosch的东西，设计目标就是10年左右，miele or asko的设计目标就是20年。所以很多
地方用料就不是一个档次，比如miele上塑料件就很少。
尔。 |
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z**r
发帖数: 17771 | 14 asko是比miele便宜些，本来俺开始也想买asko的，不过那个sales强烈不推荐，弄得俺
也忐忑，还是买了miele。最后洗衣机$1699+tax，烘干机$1299+tax，买了5年的服务花
了200多。免费送货上门安装调试，把旧的拿走。另外俺们这里的供电公司PECO现在对
energy star的产品有$100的rebate。 |
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D**0
发帖数: 2048 | 17 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
qqzj (小车车) 于 (Wed Mar 10 17:28:32 2010, 美东) 提到:
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Living/31613797.html
泪水奔流。btw，你们都知道什么是dacor, viking, asko 和 miele 吗？当初见到公司
有个asko我还嘀咕为什么这么cheap呢。
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next (next) 于 (Wed Mar 10 17:43:21 2010, 美东) 提到:
不知道啊
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fangfei (飞飞) 于 (Wed Mar 10 18:28:38 2010, 美东) 提到:
I only know viking for hood
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q********m
发帖数: 3234 | 18 喜欢瑞典的东西，比如ASKO
made in Sweden，owned by Chinese, 很圆满 |
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t**********3
发帖数: 12623 | 19 国货不给力，各种漏水啊
上瑞典/德国货：
ASKO
Bosch
Miele |
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t**********3
发帖数: 12623 | 20 我家基本都是Miele, Asko, Bosch |
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k**0
发帖数: 19737 | 22 买GE不就好了？价廉物美
[在 TheIslander2 (Peace de Wars) 的大作中提到：]
：这几天新房在买洗衣机，在一家专业做进口电器的公司，看了Toshiba, Panasonic,
：Sanyo, Bosch, Miele, Asko
：........... |
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b********f
发帖数: 605 | 23 Asko 的洗衣机是超耐用。我认识一个朋友说已经20多年了，只在15年时维修一次。但
是就是太贵，是美国大一倍容量的洗衣机的5-10倍。 |
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f****d
发帖数: 3217 | 24 我看asko网站他家洗衣机是1000多刀啊，怎么会比别的贵10倍？ |
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U*******B
发帖数: 2547 | 25 SINGLE USE — ONE TIME ONLY
Offer valid in store and online. 10% off offer excludes Unilateral Minimum
Resale Price (UMRP) products, gift cards, services (including in-store and
in-home), (including in-store pickup items), Clearance & More and
Marketplace items, special order, clearance, demo, open-box items, product
bundles sold on BestBuy.com, and products sold through Best Buy Express.
Selection varies by store. Offer may vary online. Best Buy employees are not
eligible to participate in this ... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****a
发帖数: 318 | 26 我洗 一次用二个小时，用最强的，但不用烘干，因为里面有塑料的，烘干次数太多不
好。
我一般都吃完饭用水冲一下盘再放进去，盘子看上去就象干净的一样，因为总有残留物
在洗碗机里，会异发霉，而且要经常用一种液体放进去空转洗碗机来去污，去锈，所以
我的机器没有没有脏东西在里面，而且盘子都放进去，三四天后放满了才转一次，不会
发霉的，因为里面没有脏东西，而且中国碗不用了，自从用了洗碗机，我家的碗都换了
，全是外国式的大小扁盘，全是一个个的插进去，能放四十多个盘子，上面放近三十个
杯子，想一想，这些用了多少水？
洗碗机是省水的，我洗碗是用流动的水，所以用很多，最重要的是机器是消毒的，高温
转了洗，我用了有七八年了，知道周围许多中国人有机器不用，说是费水费电，真佩服
他们，不过生活就是这么省出来的，我不管，机器从没有坏过，是 asko这个牌子。 |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 27 你们有谁自己安装过洗碗机吗?
Yes.
很难吗?
No.
If you can take your old one off, you can put the new one in. Just reverse
the steps.
Not sure what kind you bought, but if you pay to have it installed, make
sure you get a good one, so it will last a long time. I suggest you get a
top of line asko or miele brand dish washer, both are very good and should
last a long long time, so you never have to worry about it. |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 28 Depending on how old is your washer, it may not be worth the effort of
repair.
Actually I often suggest people to get new front loading washer even if
their tub based one is not broken, the utility money you saved will pay for
new unit in a few years (depending on how many loads you do a week)
I like Asko or Miele brand washer, they have proven to be extremely durable
and reliable. I have known people who had them for over 20 years and still
working great, a couple I met last year that owns a be |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 29 I used Bosch SHX98M09UC, I do not think this model have heated drying cycle,
it also does not have hard food disposer.
Maybe other Bosch will have the heated drying cycle. But if you hot water is
very hot (hottest setting on the water heater), the dishes will come out
dry, no problem at all.
For the money, I think Miele and Asko makes better dish washer in this price
range, unless you can get the bosch very cheap. |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 30 You are right. I would recommend Viking, Dacor, Miele or Asko over Bosch
brand dishwasher any day. |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 31
This is good, but 里外不锈钢的 is not the look you want for nice kitchen. 里
不锈钢的 is good, 外不锈钢的 is not good, you want it to match your cabinets
.
Also not sure how this will perform after 20 years. Miele or Asko will
continue to work like new, but this I am not so sure kitchenaid will last
this long.
If I had choice to start over again for my own kitchen, I would use miele
for everything. It is proven to be the best and very durable. I have
recently seen a miele oven that is over 50 years old, still |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 32 Miele is the best, but you might find ASKO brand a little cheaper.
LG or Samsung are the worst (long term). |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 33 They have yet to prove themself. Miele and Asko have been making washer and
dryer for long time and proven they can work well even after 20 years with 8
loads per day. I do not have confidence that all the plastic parts (gears)
will last much longer pass the warranty period on those "new kids on the
block" so to speak. That could be one of the reason they go on sale at more
50% off quite often. |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 34 Miele and Asko brand are 叫好.
Even the lowest 型号的gas dryer和washer are very good. |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 35 Miele or Asko is the best. |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 36 Good quality = quiet (sometimes not =) very expensive.
You can find good stuff on sale all the time at much lower price.
As far as washer and dryer goes, I like Miele and Asko brand the best, both
have been making them for many years (much longer than the Korean brands). I
have not bought any new washer for long time, but older Miele washer
actually have a large block of concrete at the bottom, to increase the
weight so will not shake or make any noise when spin. It is very very heavy
to move, b |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 37 It is nothing compare to the house price.
Asko is a little cheaper, still very good. |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 38 Washer: Miele or Asko
Fridge: Subzero (free standing or built in) or u-line (for under counter) |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 39
It does not matter so much, if you don't have a lot of cloth to wash,
smaller is better. It is better to do one load per day, most front loading
will smell (stink) if you do not use it often or leave the door open.
As far as brand goes, Miele and Asko brand are the best washer you can buy
and most reliable too. |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 41
They have been making washer much much longer than samsung, they have proven
themselves, I don't anyone that had a samsung washer for more than 10 years.
洗的更干净？
Yes, in my opinion
不伤衣服？
Yes, in my opinion
再次感谢 |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 42 Miele or Asko makes better dishwasher. |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 45 值.
Many local store sell them too. |
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m********c
发帖数: 488 | 46 For example? I don't see them in BB, sears, HD et. al. |
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q********m
发帖数: 3234 | 50 bosch应该更好些吧
强烈推荐ASKO，手洗功能太tmd强大了，非常满意，找到deal，才1500一对，三年全包
的保修。 |
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