x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 1 west north east south
me arrows
/ /
1H / 1nt* /
2c 2s 3c 3s
4c 4s 5NT! /
7c X XX /
/ /
Arrows hold
10 9 5 4
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A 7
Q J 8 6 5 4 3
I hold
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K J 7 4 3
J 10
A K 10 9 7 2
haha
laugh to death |
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v**********e
发帖数: 1295 | 2 如果以5NT问K,那么问的意义就在于保证A齐有小满贯的前提下寻找大满贯；而有的问叫
系统，比如Gerber 或 Kickback，问K不一定是以大满贯为目标，也有可能是探索小满
贯或者选择好的满贯花色。A不齐也可以问K,K齐了也能做小满贯。这在一些精确类体系
中有时会遇到。
当然，大多数情况下，关于K的位置信息要比总个数重要一些。 |
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a****s
发帖数: 524 | 3
J963
AJ6
8
AKQ76
AKQT54
42
AJ
T95
刘京 李杰
- 2C - 2D
(2H) 2S - 3H
- 3N - 4S
- 4N - 5D
- 5S - ?
3H不可能是寻求3NT，否则无法解释2D.
所以3H表示比叫4S更好的牌。
因此3NT不是自然叫， 应该是serious满贯兴趣，
看刘京的牌， 基本上是纯粹的高限，3NT应该不错。
李杰4S至少少叫了一墩牌：比较一下这3手牌，就知道区别了：
1. S AKQx H xx D Axxx C xxx
2. S AKQxx H xx D Axx C xxx
3. S AKQxxx H xx D Ax C xxx
在同伴2S之后：
牌1. 4S， 牌2. 扣3H，再4S。 牌3. 扣3H， 再扣4D。
尤其是在同伴3NT响应之后，没有任何理由不主动进满贯，
4D，同伴4H，下面RKCB，接着5NT，刘京CAKQxx，当然7S。
不管后面他们后面发生了什么误会，就整个叫牌进程而言，李杰
的责任大。第一，明显低叫了，第二，同伴不知道他有几张黑桃，
自己... 阅读全帖 |
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a****s
发帖数: 524 | 4 I am not saying 5S was a good bid, but the main reason of this failure is Li
Jie didn't cue 4D then 4NT, took the charge.
Perhaps it's a good idea to do your homework, reading their convention card,
before putting words in their mouth. After 2C open, 2NT 3C 3D 3H 3S are all
simply invitations. 2D starts GF sequence. These are just the FACTS,
nothing to argue about.
Yeah, yeah, I know, their method is inferior, to whatever you are going to
design on-the-fly, after seeing two hands.
But I am just ... 阅读全帖 |
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b***n
发帖数: 13455 | 5
~~~4NT. 5D guarranted. If North responsed with 5H/S, then 6D.
~~~Absolutely 4NT. Since North has shown strong in S with
no less than 15pts. no reason to reject 6-2 trump for a slam.
~~~~ If satisfied with a small slam, 6H. Otherwise
6C or 5NT. I use direct 5NT as a full slam invitation. If pard has
top controllers of the suit he has bid, and strong trump support(any
2 of AKQ), he should bid to 7. Of course trump should be agreed before. |
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y****e
发帖数: 71 | 6
取材于报纸：
双有，北开叫，MP制。
北：Bill Pollack
K Q 7 5
A
A K 9 2
A Q 10 6
南：Hugh Ross
A 10 9 3
J 4 3
7 6 4
K 3 2
叫牌如下：
北 东 南 西
1D － 1S －
4NT － 5D －
5NT － 6C －
7S － － ＝
注：1D是非逼叫，有些冒险。5NT大满贯兴趣，6C示草花K。
首攻红桃5。
庄家意识到自己需要王吃两次红桃，但进手不够。第二轮，从明手
打王牌小，手上用10飞过！！J飞中了，大将牌王吃红桃。王牌9再
飞一轮，明手王吃红桃。然后拔方块A，见到东家垫小方块，再拔
方块K。东家不可能王吃，否则西将有方块QJ10，他应该首攻方块Q。
草花到暗手的K，清掉最后两张王牌。西家先垫红桃K，然后不情愿
的垫方块Q。这意味着西很可能有四张草花带J。用草花10飞过，定
约完成。
另一桌，John Mohan－Jill |
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x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 7 I think it is.
Well, first it is not force to grand.
And you didn't show any thing about yourself yet.
If you have spade, then why not just 5NT or 4NT instead of 2NT?
So I guess, After all 2NT and the following blah blah,
if you bid higher than 4NT now, it is unlikely to reach GRAND.
However, it is easy to stop at 4NT which you don't like.
A 31-35 range with solid heart is good enough for slam, I think.
That is why I prefer 5NT than 4NT, you need to give you PD a little more
energy.
I learn brid |
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a****s
发帖数: 524 | 8 As I understand, the most popular treatment is:
After RKCB, the cheapest non-trump suit bid is
asking for trump Queen.The answer is:
1. without trump Queen, bid the trump suit at the lowest level.
2, with trump Queen, bid the trump suit at the next level.
3. with trump Queen and side King(s), bid the suit you have the
King up the line,with 5NT showing a "unbiddable" side King.
(if there's no unbiddable kings, you may use 5NT show 2 side Kings)
For instance, Heart is trump in the followi |
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d***a
发帖数: 57 | 9 option 1: >50%
2nt 3nt
option 2: >30%
2nt 4nt
option 3: >10%
2nt 4nt 6nt
option 4: >5%
2nt 4nt 5nt 6nt
option 5: >0%
2nt 4nt 5nt 7nt |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 10 有时候，利用非法信息是不经意的。比方说，6H之后如果同伴想也不想就摆6S，你就会
知道他所期待的不是HK，也许是完全浪费。即便你不是故意，潜意识里有时候还是会利
用这些信息。其实在迟疑之后你还要叫，也不是不可以，但你要准备好去证明，无论同
伴持的是什么牌（在跟已有叫牌符合的情况下），7S都是一个好定约。实际情况并非如
此，同伴的牌也许是 AQxx, x, Axx, Axxxx，7S有可能成，但肯定不足70%，很多人不
会去叫，PASS是个 logic alternative。如果这副牌多个HJ，也许在裁判面前还有机会
，当然更好的做法是5NT之后直接7S，就不会leave it to chance了。
就这手叫牌，两方面都显出缺乏经验。作为同伴，迟疑的时机不对，如果要思考，应该
在叫4NT/5NT之前，就把后续的叫牌想清楚，这时候用多长时间都没关系。而作为东家
，在这样的情况下叫7S，就更为不智了。 |
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g****o
发帖数: 1284 | 11 试试用海盗梅花（接力体系）叫叫这手牌：
1NT - 2D
2S - 2NT
3C - 3D
3S - 4C
4D - 4H
5C - 5H
5S - 5NT
6C - 7NT
1NT: 14-16
2D：逼局斯台曼，接下来南所有的叫品都是接力问叫
2S: 4张S，否认4张H
2NT：接力
3C：4张C
3D：接力
3S：4-3-2-4
4C：接力问A，跳过3NT是因为3NT总是止叫。在4阶以下采用143022五级答叫方式，加三
级表示同色（S+C或H+D），加四级表示同级（S+H或D+C），加五级表示同型（S+D或H+C）
4D：一个A
4H：接力问K
5C：加三级表示同色两个K，南现在知道同伴是SK+CK
5H：接力问Q
5S：0或3个Q，在5阶上的问叫采用031422三级答叫方式。南现在知道同伴一定是3个Q，
因为如果没有Q，北的牌不够1NT开叫。
5NT：超级接力问缺的Q的位置
6C：加一级表示缺的是最短套的Q，这里是DQ
7NT：同伴的牌是KQXX，AQX，XX，KQXX。7NT和7S，7C的机会均等。
看起来接力体系在处理某些牌上还是有优势的。 |
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l****a
发帖数: 272 | 12 幸亏坐东家防守的不是福奎特
昨天刚打的一副牌, 欢迎comments, 疏漏之处, 敬请指正.
EW vul, E dealer, 我坐南第2家开叫 15-17 1NT
A873
A76
A92
KJ7
PD 明显的迟疑以后, 摆上了5NT, 肯定是数了半天点,
我反过来数数, 这么叫, 她应该是大约20p, 邀请我17p 去7.
我16p, 去不去都可以, 7NT 可不是总有机会打的, 上吧.
舞台搭好了, 现在看三个人的表演了.
首攻C2
明手亮牌.
KJ5
J10
KQJ53
AQ6
A873
A76
A92
KJ7
pd 叫错了啊, 这样的牌, 远远不够叫5NT的, 现在不是谈这个的时候了,
看看7NT怎么打吧. 如果S 可以拿到4墩的话, 就mk了. 肯定是要飞SQ 的.所以,
T1, 明手出x, 手里CJ拿住.
T2, 出Sx, 西家S10. 感觉是SQ 飞中了, 现在有12墩了.
明手出SJ, 果然拿到了. 如果我没有S8, 那就简单了, 只能希望S是33,
直接拔就可以了. (可以结合一个机会不大的紧逼).
如果西家是Q10 双张, 可以飞东家的S9.
怎么打呢? 得... 阅读全帖 |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 13 The basic idea is very simple here. Liu Jing sometimes may not really need
trump Q at all, because he may hold trump Q. In that case, side suit kings
are very important. So 5NT should be reserved for that purpose to preserve
space for cuebids. Therefore, a direct 6S has to show trump Q and no side
kings. Actually, in early days, some players do play a direct jump to trump
suit to show that hand type after trump Q asking. 5NT to show trump and no
side king allows you to cuebid side queens, which ... 阅读全帖 |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 14 Let me make it clear, the whole bidding sequence doesn't make much sense.
After 2C, suppose 2C p 2D 2H 2S p 3C is nonforcing. 3H can be the only gf
bid.
So 3NT is to play, not serious or nonserious slam try, because if 3H shows a
gf spade raise, then you bid 3NT to show some serious slam interest,
partner bids 4S to sign off, there is no way for you to bid 4NT, because you
should just bid 4NT right away in that case.
Now after a natural 3NT, 4S shows mild slam interest in S. 4NT is RKC, 5D
shows... 阅读全帖 |
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g****o
发帖数: 1284 | 15 我不用kickback rkc。就这副牌而言，简单的RKC应该也work吧？
1D - 1S
2D - 3H
3S - 4C
4NT - 5H
5NT - 6H
7D
3H = Splinter, 4张方块支持。而且我绝对不会拿单张HK去做splinter。
3S = 扣叫。应该没有疑问，不会是想打S定约。否则前一轮绝对不应该叫2D。
4C = 扣叫。
4NT = RKC
5H = 2 Key Cards （DK + CA)
5NT = 问K。
6H = 2个K，但绝对不会有HK。有人可能不会同意我，但这就是我的风格。
7D没问题。 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 16 Actually, I think N-S just misbid, instead of intentionally gamble. There is
no reason for them to feel that they have to swing. This is not barometer
game, they had no idea that they were behind by 4 imps. They could easily
lead by 4 imps instead, and only need to push the board. It is possible that
they had misunderstanding over the 5NT bid.
I don't think 4S is a clear overbid. South did have extra value, if 3C only
showed limit+ hand. He didn't know north had void in diamonds. From his
perspe... 阅读全帖 |
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g****o
发帖数: 1284 | 17 人工体系我最爱哈哈。试试海盗梅花吧！
北
S JXXX
H AKxx
D KQxx
C Q
南
S AKT9X
H 9
D ATxx
C AKX
1D - 1H
2S - 2NT
3C - 3D
3H - 3S
4D - 4NT
5S - 5NT
6D - 7D
叫牌解释：
1D: 11-15, 2+D
1H: 自然叫或持强牌的接力叫
2S: 4张H的4441牌型，高限
2NT：接力
3C：4-4-4-1
3D：CRASH问A
3H：1个A
3S：CRASH问K
4D：加三级答叫，显示两个同色的K。南现在知道同伴是HK+DK。AK齐全，同伴还是13-
15高限，现在只露出1A2K，还应有至少1个Q，小满贯应该没有问题，可以继续询问Q探
询大满贯。
4NT：CRASH问Q。H和S都是同伴保证4张的花色，在4阶水平上叫这两个花色都是止叫，
所以必须越过去，用4NT作为询问叫。
5S：加四级答叫显示同级别两个Q，可能是SQ+HQ，也可能是DQ+CQ。现在南家有点犯难
了，因为自己一个Q都没有，同伴到底是高花2个Q还是低花两个Q呢？如果是高花2Q，我
要打7S；低花2Q的话，我要打7D。不要紧... 阅读全帖 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 18 对于5NT的答叫，比较标准的是回答最低级的K，而不是K的数目。因为第一轮控制已经
都齐了，剩下的问题是能否拿到13墩，有时候某张特定的K，价值远超过其它的K。
比方这副牌，对5NT问叫，应该回答6D，表示有DK（否定有CK，但不排除有HK）。如果
问叫方感兴趣的是HK，可以继续叫6H，意思为：如果你有HK的话就叫进7，否则就停在6
上。 |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 19 You can just cubbid 4C and hope to hear 4D from partner.
After Partner's 4D, you should just RKC with 4S. After 4NT, which shows 1 KC
, a normal treatment is to bid 5S to ask for side suit kings. If you happen
to have some better gadgets here, you should bid 5NT to show SQ and all KC
and HQ. 5NT also denies DQ (because you have skipped 5D). Later, partner can
bid 6C to show CK, 6D to show DQ, blabla...
If partner just bids 4H over 4C, you can also try 4S as RKC probably.
Chances for 7H(7NT) isn'... 阅读全帖 |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 20 You can just cubbid 4C and hope to hear 4D from partner.
After Partner's 4D, you should just RKC with 4S. After 4NT, which shows 1 KC
, a normal treatment is to bid 5S to ask for side suit kings. If you happen
to have some better gadgets here, you should bid 5NT to show SQ and all KC
and HQ. 5NT also denies DQ (because you have skipped 5D). Later, partner can
bid 6C to show CK, 6D to show DQ, blabla...
If partner just bids 4H over 4C, you can also try 4S as RKC probably.
Chances for 7H(7NT) isn'... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 21 Windows的话，用过其家族的全部产品，包括Win 4NT，win2000，到win X的所有
windows 的始祖win 3.5 NT。
当年从win3.2 到win 3.5NT 的变化可是天翻地覆，什么工作组，域，权限之类的概念
花了不少时间才搞明白。 |
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p*y
发帖数: 61 | 22
5H
4S 在我的体系里应该叫4NT
5NT
4nt 有缺门也照样用，呵呵,加脚过的S如果不是3张就一定有Q
不会出现答叫以后不知道是哪个A的尴尬问题
只要有DA，叫到7不算过分（CD不可能都没长度)
3NT 和陌生搭档的话4C |
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z***y
发帖数: 198 | 23 当然我赞成在叫4NT前先扣叫
不过, 如果你用Roman Key card Black wood, 你也可以把你的缺门显示出来
5NT= 2 Key cards and 1 void
6阶花色，1 or 3 Key cards , 这们花色是缺门
6阶将牌花色，1 or 3 key cards, 有一门级别高过将牌的花色是缺门
然后事情就容易了
另外就算用Black wood在这种情形下，可能依然应考虑叫6个，因为你搭档的牌肯定相当好,
否则他没资格叫4NT |
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T*y
发帖数: 50 | 24 N S
2D(1) 2H(2)
3S(3) 4NT(4)
5D(5) 6S(??)
(1) Multi.
(2) relay.
(3) 单张上花色，22HCP+, 4-1-4-4型.
(4) 关键张问叫
(5) 1/4个, 当然是4个了 --> 红心单张是A.
(??)呵呵, 数出北家15点了，至少还有7点，而且这些点还全在
S D C套上, 差不多肯定可以去6S了。呵呵... 如果5NT问K的话，
6H答2个异色(肯定是S和D的Q/K)，保守的叫法去6S, 激进些也就
去7S了。毕竟所有控制都够了。:)) |
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b****y
发帖数: 105 | 25 南北有局
南发牌
S KQ6
H A643
D KJ8
C A83
S AJT
H Q5
D AQT9654
C Q
叫牌
S W N E
1D P 2H 3C
3D P 4D P
4NT P 5S P
5NT P 6S P
7D P P P
首攻 C6. 如何完成定约? |
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c******l
发帖数: 51 | 26 三、BLACKWOOD and variations BW和变化
BW是用4NT问A的约定，此时它不可能是自然
意义的4NT，是问同伴有几个A。
答法：5C=0／4个A；5D=1个A；5H=2个A；5S=3个A。
再用5NT问有几个K。
答法：6C=0／4个K；6D=1个K；6H=2个K；6S=3个K。
Roman BW(罗马BW)也是用4NT问A，答法也相似。Key
Card BLACKWOOD关键张BW约定，是以王牌K作为1个A，
还可以答出有无主牌Q，4NT后：
5C=0/3个A；5D=1/4个A；5H=2个A，没有Q；5=2S个A和有Q。 |
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w**n
发帖数: 244 | 27
~~
Most likely will be 2NT.
2NT 3H
4D(1) 5NT
6S 7H
1: Since North didn't support spades, he should hold 2 spades.
In this case, 4D should be understood as cuebid. |
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x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 28
In order to express his good control and support, I think he
may chose a 5NT. |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 29 未来故事2-3
领航员和机械师的叫牌在下面这手牌里受到严峻考验:
东西有局,
领航员坐东拿了S87 H AKJ54 D KQJ8 C AQ
P3G3 开叫了3C, 按照桥牌创世纪时传说中的桥牌之神哈曼的说法,
当你认为有几个选择, 而3NT是其中之一的时候, 叫3NT,
不过领航员并不相信这条哈曼原则, 他决定叫传统的加倍,
P3G4 凶狠的跳5C.
机械师的牌是这样的:
S AKJT6 H Q983 D A9 C 42
很棘手,他原本可以叫4C, 请同伴选择一个高花.
可现在已经到5C了.同伴并不需要一手很棒的牌就可以打成满贯,
比如:Qxxx AKxx Kxxx x, 而如果同伴真拿了SQxxx HAKxx DKQJ C xx,
那叫小满贯就显得太愚蠢了.
可是该叫什么呢? 5H 还是5S? 不, 那太保守.
5NT? 请同伴挑一个小满贯? 6C? 显示草花控制?
要不还是6H算了, 自己的黑心很可能垫掉同伴的输张,
比如同伴拿S Qxxx H AKxx DQxx C Ax
机械师最后决定叫6H. "即使死也要死得象个英雄!" 他并不很在乎自己是不
是有时候会显得愚蠢,
领航员愉快 |
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p*****e
发帖数: 989 | 30 standard blackwood, 5nt asking for K |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 31 Your pd shows a solid D suit and 4 card H suit, Perhaps with 7 dia and 4 H.
I would just bid 5NT with your hand to ask him to pick a slam.
Chance for grandslam is remote I believe.
if your pd hold Sx HAQxx DAKQTxxx Cx, 6H would be a good spot.
if he has S- HAxxx DAKQJxxx Cxx, 6D should be better |
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g**********y
发帖数: 14569 | 32 Isn't 5NT for Grand-slam inviting? I play system according to Bill Root's
Commonsense Bidding.
2NT |
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g**********y
发帖数: 14569 | 33 LOL, I should learn bidding from arrowhits :-)
But 4NT/5NT is convention (when not used as Blackwood). My opinion is: if I
use a convention in my bidding, I will always follow that, otherwise, my pd
will get confused.
Since I never have consistent pard, I never have chance to practice fancy
conventions. Like that 4D, I think different player will interpret it in
different way. If I use it, I am not sure whether my PD will understand.
Bill Root is the best bridge teacher, in my eye. He gave cryst |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 34 4H: just to finish my plan.
partner bid 3NT freely, so he should have a reasonable hand here.
If he rebid 4NT, I'd pass it. If he cuebid 4S, I'd bid 5NT to ask him
to pick a slam. |
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l*********r
发帖数: 65 | 35 Last night, kibitzed a game among Meltzer/devo(Peter Weichsel), Fred/Uday on
BBO, and this hand came up:
xx
x
KQxxx
AQ10xx
AKJx
KJx
AJxx
Kx
Meltzer opened 2NT. LHO(Uday) bid 4H. Weichsel bid 5NT, seems saying "pick up
a minor slam" but Meltzer bid 6NT anyway.
LHO led the 10 of spades, clearly doubleton or some shortness.
How would you play the hand? |
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x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 37 yes, it is cold
but the lead is HA, which make it much easier:) |
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g******a
发帖数: 667 | 38 最后的结果是
1C 1S
4H 5C
5NT 7S
对家是
S: AKxx
H: Qxx
D: xxxx
C: Q
偶好像叫得太冒进了，不过也不知道该怎么叫。 |
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v*******e
发帖数: 3714 | 39 dont like 3S... I suggest:
1c 1s
2d 2s
3d 4c
5s(rkc without s) 5nt(1)
7c - |
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v*******e
发帖数: 3714 | 40 假如2c开叫的话可以是
2c 2s
3c 3s
3n 4c
5s 5nt
7c
坏处是5s把定约抬得太高。
不过这种牌猜猜也差不多猜到7了，怎么叫无所谓吧 |
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 41 不用gerber的
4nt 5h (2a)
5nt 6h (hk)
7nt
用gerber的随便推一下，往下减3个叫品 |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 42
打标准,没有range asking的话,一个简单的处理是1NT后跳5NT,这是对7NT的邀叫,逼叫
到6NT. |
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o*******n
发帖数: 6500 | 43 normally after asking for Q
go to up-to-line k if having Q (5nt if no k)
but it depends on the agreement |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 44 it's rather straightforward,
1N 2D
2H 3C
after that, if partner can bid 3H, you'd bid 3S which is a cuebid.
if partner cuebids 3D/S which shows some sort of club support, you'd
cuebid the other unbid suit as a slam try as well. Then you'd
check key cards to decide which slam to bid. If partner bids 3NT
over 3C, you want to bid 5NT to ask partner to pick a slam. |
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v*******e
发帖数: 3714 | 45 1）
在4S和pass之间犹豫不决。局况仿佛倾向4S，因为对方的4H可以是很烂的牌在
加叫。本着相信同伴的原则我还是选择4S。同伴的牌很可能是
AKxxx / xxx / KQx / Kx
黑心4-1分布的时候打起来是很不舒服，虽然也不是全无可能。。恩，我又想pass了。
但是同伴也可能抓
AKxxx / xx / AQx / Kxx
6S都做得成！
2）x然后2H。这牌直接叫2H太强了些。当然如果叫牌进程到了
Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ Ｎ
１Ｓ x P 2D
P 2H P 3C
P ?
可能会有点不好决定。我一般是：when in doubt, go 3NT.
3）3D叫一口是明显的六张套，同伴可以改3H。这牌就算不是MP我也不会让对方打3C的
啦。
4）修正理解。同伴是强pass，我的AQ坐在高点力后面通通升值，那我应该叫5NT让同伴选择一个slam。
5）选择是加倍或者1NT。前者表示了红心， |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 46 No, it doesn't make sense. You tell partner you had 4 kc, he bids 6, that's
the end of it, period. If your side has all kc, partner is supposed to bid
5NT just in case. If a grand slam is missed because partner jumps to 6
prematurely, you win the postmortem.
For this particular hand, even if partner has HA, don't you still need CK or
DK to make 7?
answered |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 48 那IMP怎么翻译？国际序分？
这个牌跟局况还是有点关系的。如果对方单有，2C应该是个好套，同伴有梅花废点的可
能性减低，这时候就可以5C问叫，如果同伴有3个关键张，还可以5NT继续问Ｋ，如果同
伴有ＳＡＫ／ＨＡ／ＤＫ，基本上７Ｓ应该是铁牌。 |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 49 6S is the only correct bid. It's Liu Jing's problem.
Here, 5NT show 3 KC, no trump Q. 6 level new suits shows trmp Q and K in
that suit. 6S shows trump Q and no side K. |
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a****s
发帖数: 524 | 50 why 5NT denies trump Q is a better treatment
than using 6S denies trump Q?
For me, it's just counter-intuitive. |
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