v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 1 虽然在问AFF, 也跟着掺和一下
5iron for 200 yard, that's by pro long hitter and very atheletic amateurs.
don't know how pro could carry 5iron 200 yard. when they hit 5iron to 200,
they hit 3iron to 230 -240 range...
last week play course(cold morning and wet condition), tried 3iron and hyrid
5 alternatively for distance 180-200:
186 yard par 3, 3iron on front portion of green;
200 yard par3, 3iron about 20yard short of green;
another 180 yard uphill approach, hybrid 5 on front fringe;
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i****e
发帖数: 913 | 2
softstepping能稍微增加距离，就是把3iron的shaft放4iron上，以此类推，外加
个51 gap wedge以补齐P加长后留下的空间。另外给我这种用不来3iron的一种心理上的补偿。
softstepping还能降低硬度，这样5.5就成了5.2~5.3这样子，但我觉得是够硬
softstepping还能降低swing plane，因为你的离球站远一点，以求跟Tiger一样的one-
plane-swing
而且softstepping后一般要把杆头掰平1度，但一般也没人能控制这1度的偏差，这样杆
头就就有点翘，或者说‘close', 正好有draw的影响。
其实是toying my friend's idea。
MP57比MP32稳很多，试了MP52，不喜欢双背的look。目前还满意 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 3 3iron is the club i practice most, i heard that if hit long iron good, then
will hit all clubs with ease.
i tried drills on supination, helps squaring club face at impact. feel and
tune it in pre shot rehearse when i slice too much. golf swing is only 1.2
second action, better has few swing thoughts as possible.
last time hit 3iron 180 yards something at course, no good enough yet. my
goal is to hit it to 190-200 yards.
feel that balance is the most important swing thought for me. especially
shi |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 4 once 202 left to the hole, ball in rough but good lie, ball way above feet,
hit to green side using 3iron (honest distance 3iron is 180 )... don't know
how, maybe the flatter swing is more powerful, maybe hit cart path...
several other try's using 5hyrid/wood, only 170-180 range from fairway...
我处理那种没有架高的TIGHT LIE 的能力很差
我最近在想我的左手是不是经常被右手OVER POWER导致 FAT AND MISS SWEET SPOT。。。
LEFT HAND IS FOR PRECISION, RIGHT HAND IS FOR POWER, ISN＇T?
还有面对 ２００＋ APPROACH， 脑子里想 DISTANCE 居多， 忘了放松 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 5 that is the longest i ever seen.
i am sure giving more time you should have tons of eagle putt opportunities.
if you feel comfortable with woods, why not?
for my buddy case, he got 3iron, and ditch 3wood. since his 4iron and 3iron
would get him reach to green for most of case, he rarely use his 5wood for
approaching.
here is tiger distance stats for reference
TIGER'S CLUBS:
Driver: 285 yards (carry)
3 Wood: 265 yards (carry)
2 Iron: 245 yards
3 Iron: 230 yards
4 Iron: 220 yards
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 6 now i feel that 3H and 3iron are very mental, because of the burden of
supposed distance.
you are suppose to hit 3H or 3iron the longest (behind FW and driver).
this is a bad idea, often led to over swing or mishit.
from my comparison at range, 3H is a bit shorter than 5 WOOd.
since 5wood is the shorted club among (5w, 3w,driver), so you feel more at
ease, dont you.
for TM burner rescue, i figure you have to get Tour Preferred version.
taylormade superfast reax shaft may be not very good, al |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 7 if you dont have 5wood, then get 2h (similiar loft, slight short shaft)
keep 4iron, replace 3iron with 3h. i found that 4iron is not that hard to
use. 3h distance is a little more stable than 3iron.
so mostly just need one hybrid depends how much money you want to spend.
for guys with no hybrid at all, defenitely worth a try with hybrid, 3h is
the first choice.
many pro use similiar set:
rocco's clubs:
http://blogs.golf.com/equipment/2010/10/winners-bag-rocco-mediate-at-the-fryscom-open.html |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 9 6/10 g.i.r, 1 birdie only tho.
昨天下午2个小时10个holes后的统计数据. Green in Regulation是我现在唯一追求的
数据。
上次和一个老人家Richard打球，他看我经常用3iron tee off那些360码一下的par 4,
问我为什么？我说我为了追求fairway hit的数据，他说那你应该用pitching wedge。
我3 iron tee off遇见一些硬些的fairway有230+的距离，剩下的130正好是我最喜欢的
pitching wedge 或9 iron的距离，多好！
与别人打球最恨的事，别人cheating. 在我眼里，breaking rule也可以，我们每天都
在做这样的事，反正都是打着玩的。最恨的就是和别人算分时cheating。
昨天打球时遇见一个本地社区大学的baseball球员，当然，非要和我竞赛，打那么差不
说，击了mullgan后不算，还振振有词说:sometimes, I do that.
我的球在disaster， 我不选择drop， hit from where it lies, 他非要 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 10 ping s59 2-pw. 昨天收到，今天下午带下场尝试了下，不是很喜欢。
long iron还好， 有一个par5 , driver +2 iron for eagle还挺酷；还有就是一次
3iron approaching，我称呼为shot of the day。 但short iron 感觉不好，没offset
以后，我的那最依靠的一个swing thought就找不到北了。
不知道是该回到i5还是接着再试试。。 |
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 11 choose the loft you need than the shaft.
for fairway wood, 14*=3 wood, 19*=5wood
for hybrid, 19*= 2iron, 21*=3iron, 24*= 4iron, roughly.
As for beginner, choose regular shaft.If you are strong and swing really
fast, choose stiff. |
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v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 12 hybrid打低平球不难呀，尤其是在rough里起球，比3iron容易多了。
wedge |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 13 rough里起球，3iron还是比hybrid容易多
年中有一PGA tour, woody allen used hybrid try to get ball out of rough.
肠子都悔青了
所有的评论都是说他made big mistake at club selection.
打低平球 against wind better use iron, since hybrid lauch angel is much
higher. |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 14 that's true..
3iron is easier to cut into the heavy rough, compared to the big head hybrid
.. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 15 i never never hit any iron into 200, not yet, even my 3iron.
usually, i use hybrid to rescue, which is from 180-210 for me. during
weekend gathering, i realized, without solid iron, it is very hard to manage
the course. my driver was ok, 230-240 on fairway, but, i found myself
constantly face 200, and i need pull my hybrid again and again. best case,
reach green side, and then one chip, 2 putts, bogey.
i know everything lead to working on swing fundamental, but as vankie said,
it would take long |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 16 it's true. i use my 7-wood to replace my 3iron. but i choke down to hit some
4 iron distance when i want to hit ball high. sometimes, even for 5iron
distance. ( i still hit 5/4 when i want to hit ball low to against wind.)
if you are confident about ur other fairway woods, and it's a good idea to
keep them consitent. make sense, right? |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 17 practice again 4 holes.
first hole was good: 3iron straight to 180yards, 8iron deviate right side some to 130yards, one chip, 2 putts (1 lip out), bogey.
second hole total collapse, could not hit a damn good shot ever since. most
thin shots and roll on turf. i could not find reason and adjust. blame it to taking a phone call.
quit after 4th hole.
golf is a difficult sport, the only thing i could do is lower expectation.
on |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 18 真要。
我fairway woods全换了。换成不offset的。我现在还需要个3iron的replacement，我
不在乎啥杆，只要是个杆就行。 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 19 well, you got very good coverage under your 5/6 irons. i guess that is good
enough for you to not use 3iron.
for me, 5/6 at most get me to 160.
when playing on the course, if there is 170 or more needed, i run out of
option.
when i hit 3 and 4, the ball can lauch high, but wont go far, not even
farther than 170.
anything
under |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 20 it's easier to max out shorter club. early on, i could hit middle iron to
upper end of Men's range. but ran into wall coming to 5iron or above. now i
could hit 3iron to 200-210 yards. but it will take a a while hit 3-wood to
240 and driver to 260 (about 240m)
Club Men Women
Driver 200-230-260 150-175-200
3-wood 180-215-235 125-150-180
5-wood 170-195-210 105-135-170
2-iron 170-195-210 105-135-170
3-iron 160-180-200 100-125-160
4-iron 1 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 21 to carry 3wood to 240yard (220m) and driver to 262yards(240m)?
went driving range 5:30p after work. started with hitting driver first with
first 10-20 shots. only 1 mishit and limited number of severe slice. then
hit 3-woods on mattress, good. then start hit from the uncut shallow grass
ahead of the mattress, bad shots (fat and short, slice, turf roll) started
to come for both woods and long iron.
land 3iron shot to 200yard flag again a couple of times. feel that have to
commit to each shot, oth |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 22 checked the weight of the golf clubs i am currently using
10* Driver 345g
14* 3wood 349g
11* 2wood 320g --- hit this one longer than Driver by maybe 20 yards.
3iron 419g ---almost one pound
googled, "standard weight of golf clubs", didn't find any results. anybody
knows about this? |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 23 if i go back 6month and start over again,
i only want:
3wood
3iron
that's all.
any used club is okay, you may find some from yard sale.
don't start with 7iron. short club forgives swing error more...so likely you
have to redo swing for longer clubs later on. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 24 one month ago, i was on the NO driver side.
now i am on the other sie. like driver very much, and start to use driver
even on long par 3. talking about the large club face.
no use 3iron for a while on course, use it at range to test how well i swing
...
use 4iron occassionally.
mostly could replace with 5wood....which has higher ball flight.... |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 25 after seeing you hit driver and 3wood, my interests in 3iron and 4iron start
to diminish....
figur that long hitter is gauged by driver and woods distance. not irons.
iron are not for distance.
i believe majority of guys at this board hit PW about same distance as Tiger
,
hit 7iron about 10-30 yards shorter than tiger,
but when comes to woods and Driver, 60 yards or more shorter than tiger.
i realized that Pro hit irons with much less effort than amateurs, at least
me... so many pro iron shot |
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q******3
发帖数: 622 | 26 3Iron，225码。我们这里能打这样的Par3不会有几个吧。
强帖留名。呵呵。 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 27 采访介绍tiger woods他老婆elin给tiger那哥们说话也有意思。
为啥elin拿的是3iron而不是个driver.. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 29 since the frequency of my playing course is low, 所以我迟迟没有投资 HYBRID
３－４.
today after work went to range again. 3iron 给了５颗球都没有上手. 跟
SUPPOSED 的距离差太多.
相比之下， ７IRON和５HYBRID WOOD, driver 都一下就打出比较正常的球
一般的MUNI COURSE， DRIVER 和 ５WOOD 打好了，HYBRID ３－４用的机会很少。。。
so only use 3-4 iron for practice and testing...
觉得 １７０ － １９０－ ２１０YARD 的距离比较常见， ５－７IRON (hit well)，
５WOOD， ３WOOD 基本可以COVER拉 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 30 还不够CONSISTENT (3iron consistency is the worst)， 个别
５IRON CARRY 过 １９５ GREEN
３，４ IRON CARRY 过 ２１０ GREEN
DRIVER 没有对准２４３ YARD GREEN， 但有过和GREEN 并排的RIDGE
HIT SOLID 的时候觉得IRON 跟DRIVER 一样乘力。觉得很好利用了BACK SWING 产生的
扭距， 左右手比较协同， WRIST HINGE/release 和转身转肩转手腕协同上了。这样
在RANGE 上练长竿, 真实需要一点耐力， CORE 的力量， 保持POSTURE 稳定
一些MISS是HOOK， 那种２０－４０吗的HOOK。
７５F， 侧向风， 不大 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 31 finally get a 3hybrid (TM burner rescue 08, 19 degree). easier to hit
supposed distance than 3iron. but similar or slight shorter than adam hybrid
5wood (18 degree).
so i am thinking to give up 3 hybrid, and try to get a good 3wood to fill
the gap between 5wood and driver. even though adam hybrid and TM burner
rescue 09 TP still look good and feel good at store demo. burner rescue TP
is too expensive with FCT and voodoo shaft.
3wood choices:
TM burner
callaway big bertha
cleveland launcher DST |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 32 fuji speeder not "motore speeder"?
motore speeder may be comparable to aldila voodoo, both mention technologies
to overcome shaft deformation.
i got the baffler 2004, non-pro version. but still feel great about it.
yesterday tried it again, killed one shot, landed near front green, and rolled onto 243 yard green.
definitely felt better than burner rescue 08. and it is only $33.
my 3iron can forever retire now.
look |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 33 saw dustin johnson drove the #15 green using 3wood!!! yardage sign 370 or so
?
later on the commentators said only "requires 260 carry, dustin can reach it
using 3iron".
sunol palm course #6, 309 par4, dog leg right. i hit 3 shots yeterday. the
3rd shot is the most solid and cut the corner. i remember the direction of
the ball flight. but i could not find the ball no matter how i follow the
direction of ball flight. back home check google map, only 220meter tee to
green. i tend to believe i ... 阅读全帖 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 34 有人说用３IRON是SO， 同意。
不过能常用３IRON，打出稳定的距离和路线， 那SWING 的确是要很好。 毕竟３IRON
是最难打的IRON。 tom watson said he started range practice with 3iron, to
see if he has good swing on a particular day.
OVERALL， 我觉得３WOOD OFF TURF 是最难打， MARGIN OF ERROR 要最小。
shot |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 35 你的朋友估计还没有掌握iron 的打法。driver 跟iron 感觉还是差别大一点。
还有350 是加上滚动的距离吧？还有amateur 经常overestimate distance.
dustin johnson bubba watson driver max out 也就 320 - 350， 加上滚动， 偶尔
可以 350+. pgatour 关于320+的统计：
http://www.pgatour.com/r/stats/info/?02433
dustin johnson 的iron club distance: 3iron - 260, 6iron - 230 (us open), 7 iron - 210 (bmw), 9iron - 170-180
昨天下班去了另外一个range， 用8iron, 打击的好的时候， 落点在170 flag back green. 弹道高， 不是那种low fly. 7iron 落点上194flag green.
driver 开始打击的较烂， 后来调整可以hit straight. 估计carry 250 多， 停在270 多巴... 阅读全帖 |
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y**********7
发帖数: 769 | 36 你的铁杆距离着实厉害。 我的朋友是SCRATCH PLAYER，常参加LOCAL比赛。他打350码
是不常见的，那次把球打到了网外的街上。 320他倒是常能打到。他说他的DRIVING距
离在PGA中属于TOP 10。 他用我的3号木也能把球打出网子，至少是有300码。他的铁杆
是STIFF SHAFT。照你说的数据，他的铁杆距离还差得远。 你铁杆的准确率如何？ 100
码和150码，打十个球有几个能落在5码之内？
还有350 是加上滚动的距离吧？还有amateur
经常overestimate distance.
dustin johnson bubba watson driver max out 也就 320 - 350， 加上滚动， 偶尔
可以 350+.
pgatour 关于320+的统计：
http://www.pgatour.com/r/stats/info/?02433
dustin johnson 的iron club distance:
3iron - 260
6iron - 230 (us open)
7 iron - 210 (bmw)
9iron - 17... 阅读全帖 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 37 我以前的烂iron set 容易打出low fly shot, short iron 经常ridiculous distance.
但是到了长铁，gap becoming smaller rather than larger.
new iron set 3iron 标准的 21 度。 standard lie. ball flight 都较高, 哪怕是5
铁6铁。 我喜欢高飞的球。 要不然叫“高球”。high ball flight is thing of
beauty！ mid iron - wedge 都可以看到那先攀升再接近垂直降落的现象。
我还需要弄一个gap wedge, 熟悉new iron set 的club distance 后， 距离要算更准
一些。 当时在left rough, 还没有平齐150 的桩. 需要fly over bunker, 用150 的桩估
算， 忘了要用勾股定理，可能有160 多170甚至.
看来水平高的球手有共同点 --就是对低分的不满。
你的最差 = 我的最好。
我只有lost ball OB超过一定数量了才不满。 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 38 zach 好样的。 his swing speed is average but was able to keep up with
tiger
most of time. most amateur can relate with zach. it was small field, if
euro elite players like macroy in, hard to say tiger would have much
advantage.
zach plays slow and methodically, thanks to dvr, was able to catch some
of his
great& interesting shots:
1)save par from bunker buried lie.
2)chip on green to avoid long putt thru severe slope/ridge
unfortunately, tiger knows the course better and get in the zone with
his
pin... 阅读全帖 |
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w******8
发帖数: 977 | 39 在家里，3iron, 从来都没在场上用过，只是当练习。我的问题是一不小心就hook。未
来3个月都只能在家这么玩了。 |
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f******h
发帖数: 46 | 40 感觉一般成套卖的iron不是3-pw就是4-sw |
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c**********e
发帖数: 276 | 41 If you are really a beginner, you do not need 3 thru 5 irons. You do need
the sand wedge, but you may need to buy a quality sand wedge. The sand wedge
coming with game improvement iron set is really not good enough. |
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j******e
发帖数: 1424 | 42 SW is the 2nd most important club for me. 1st is putter |
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b*******2
发帖数: 412 | 43 Put more trust on SW than 3 iron. A suggestion is that you can replace the 3
(even 4) iron with a hybrid club, which is much easier to hit. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 44 Tiger's setup, driver+3wood+5wood+irons
Rory McIlroy: driver+3wood+5wood
Y.E.Yang: driver+3wood+5wood+3hybrid+4hybrid+irons
Rickie Fowler: driver+3wood+3hybrid+irons
Adam Scott: driver+3wood+3hybrid+irons
Yani Tseng: driver+3wood+3hybrid+4hybrid
Luke Donald: driver+3wood+3hybrid
in general, should carry both 3wood and 3hybrid
you might inter-change between 17degree hybrid and 5wood, or add 4hybrid to
replace 3iron
but if you don't carry both 3wood and 3hybrid, you would have gaps in your
long cl... 阅读全帖 |
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b********l
发帖数: 84 | 45 上周9洞， putter忘在车后备箱。开始用3iron推， 后改成PW 推， 结果也拿了3个par
, 包括214 par3, 首次par此洞。还有个20-30ft chip in from fringe. 跳了一个洞。
如果算double, 9洞也在50以内。不知道是因为没有putter, 对得分的期望很低，反而
放松的缘故。
成。 |
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w******8
发帖数: 977 | 46 上传最近的swing时看到了两年前的swing,一个4iron,一个3iron。从swing上看进步不
少，主要是稳定性提高了，不过成绩提高并不多。
现在的swing:
两年前的swing: |
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l****e
发帖数: 276 | 47 两点：
1. 距离是有limit的，不是说3铁就一定比4铁远，总有到顶的时候。否则距离可以无限
长。(我跟你类似，6铁140，3/4铁150，我自己连1铁都有，呵呵）
2. 距离跟杆身长度的关系远比跟LOFT的关系重要。比如，你的3铁应该比4铁长0.5寸，
比4铁小3度（如果长0.5寸但是只小2度，区别不大）。你自己量一下，3iron长减4iron
长 是否等于 4iron减5iron? 这点在driver上体现最大，很多人以为把driver 从10.5
度换成9度就可以打得更远是错误的。 |
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