f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 for example, 25NL rush, you hold AcTs, a marginal hand but with position.
pre-flop, one limper at MP, you're at CO (60BB effective stacks for you two)
. you decide to raise to 4x, either take it down here or isolate BTN/SB/BB.
yes, they all fold, but MP calls.
flop: Ks9s2d. MP checks to you, you miss flop but decide to c-bet anyway,
6BB into 9.5BB pot. MP calls.
turn is a card you don't like, 3s. MP checks again, and you now worry a
little bit, with a Ts, you decide to check.
river is Ad, he che |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 UTG+1 2x, a typical tell of suited connectors or small PP in 25NL.
UTG+2 calls, well, why not, i'm speculating anyway, lol.
flop, check to me, hey, free pot? well, UTG+1 calls.
turn, no 2nd barrel for pot control.
river, you check again? well, you still can't call even you have a Jx.
fold your draw or small PP. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 no, it's getting harder in rush 25NL lately. it looks to me ppl are
improving and getting used to the format better.
one lady who used to fold a lot to me, now learns to "sit out and watch", i
figure she's taking notes on me... this week she starts to fight back more
frequently and i have to fold some... but yesterday when she fought back
again from BB, i called at CO with AQs. she fired big on AJx flop with her
short stack (3/4 invested with tiny left), i shoved, and she FOLDED right
away. damn |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 god is god because god can last forever, lol, and god knows how long i can
keep this up. and god laughes at someone who BSOs at micro $25NL.
secret? no secret ah, like i said many times, fix our leaks and avoid 1 big
mistake each session, bang, you get there. you already got 5bb/100, it's
only some small tunings needed. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 昨天就看见这厮，呵呵，果然在玩$25NL rush，难怪现在越来越难打，妖魔鬼怪都出来
了。 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 6 FryKings 升级打 50NL 啦?
我正好要降级打 25NL or 50NL. 以后就可以碰头了. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 not likely, hehe, i learned my bankroll management lessons, i'd play 25NL
long before reaching that point. i have about $4K at ftp, many ppl with this
roll are playing at least 100NL.
the cafe (where my company is) owner's son is a big fan of poker too, we
talk about it a lot and he borrowed the dusty book from me... he plays 100NL
at bodog with a roll of $450! he's a good player but still i told him it's
a gamble. he's a typical young college gun, who plays at AC (trop) a lot and
even invites m |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 told you so, just move up, 25NL is a waste of time for you.
i plan to move up to 100NL in 3 months, lol. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 punishing limpers become quite popular lately in 50NL (definitely "too"
often than in 25NL), so i'm planning to limp with some AAs, lol. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 watched one yesterday, since i got a ticket next month too.
about 1300 players, top 5 each gets a 10K entry into WSOP main event 2010.
lots of sit outs, but it still took 7 hours to finish.
one 25NL rush guy made it, i played with him once when his JJ ran into my 99
flopped set, and caught 1 card gutshot on river. he played almost the same
style (big with pairs, 77+) and got lucky in a few spots.
another guy, "kapuyi", who i don't quite understand, i checked his record,
he played so little befor |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 11 stop flattering! lol, i'm nowhere near a master at all, if ever. tomorrow
wil be the end of this month, and i fell short of my monthly goal, 50NL so
far to me is still a surviving game, don't laugh at me if tomorrow i go back
to 25NL.
got a letter from someone, and i indeed feel the pain poker caused to some
ppl. sigh, poker is really a time consuming game for most of us, and in the
end, ups and downs, we're not making much $ at all, if not losing pants.
of
time
feeling
t |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 12 RUSH 25NL，之前没有read。
***** Hand History for Game 21269717560 ***** (Full Tilt)
Seat 7 is the button
Seat 1: jackjack50 ( $24.90 USD )
Seat 2: GCAM22 ( $30.49 USD )
Seat 3: mnyman77 ( $28.49 USD )
Seat 4: BDarch ( $50.91 USD )
Seat 5: ese100177 ( $18.21 USD )
Seat 6: Veritaz ( $25.00 USD )
Seat 7: halbu ( $26.50 USD )
Seat 8: HERO ( $17.00 USD )
Seat 9: snippin_one ( $9.20 USD )
HERO posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
snippin_one posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Q |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 comfort, i made big mistakes too, hehe.
i believe 50NL is really the gateway point for us. 25NL we could still play
some bad poker and get away with it (say, 7BB to 5BB/100 diff.). 50NL we
have to plug our leaks seriously.
turn.
nut
I
especially(made hand much more likely than bluff or semibluffs). I need to
take it more seriously. There are just not enough people at this level who
play draws that
on
reshove all in over 130 bb vs his 4 bet to 30$ is just simply en stupid...
This two hand |
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H*******n
发帖数: 914 | 14 感觉和大家差不多，25nl和50nl几乎一样。
但是不适合当grinder，我只能开一桌，慢慢打，
桌子开多了选择就很难最优了，能偷的check，
能raise的call，反应不过来。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 15 should say very nice job. Since you play 25NL last year, it means you get
around 400buyins.
I play cash game recently, it is not easy job, need patience to grind that one buyin.
The only way to get more money is going up levels. King, I guess you can crush 200NL sooner or later.
to be frank, 11k without tax in usa is still a big chunk of income, consider almost 15k pre-tax income.
fact
ll
far |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 16 usually I can 4 tabling 25NL 9ppl game. I guess need 6 hours. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 不好，你也中邪了，赶快到25NL休养生息，呵呵。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 18 俺的不行，主要在25NL混，一天才勉强200点，没有上个月50NL的500点家常便饭一般，
有一天还有1000多点。
时间过了1/3了，任务还没有达到，月底出去玩live，估计更难。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 19 还行，比bonus周前容易一些，感觉驴的很多，至少25NL里面，你打多大的？
感觉为那点小bonus打的，一般都不会是太好的。人多了也好，需要新鲜血液。
俺最近最冤的一把，raised 4-way pot，flop QQ823，俺88，他QQ，都寂寞到river睡
醒。
驴。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 呵呵，不要对革命失去信心。
其实俺和FTP一样，希望通过rush bonus week能够提高长期玩家的数量，rush周之前，
一般黄金时间(美东8，9点左右)，象25NL，50NL这样最popular的stake，也就是300左
右的active玩家(不算sit out，wipe out的，呵呵)，这个pool还是太小，也就是30桌
，长期打的，要不了一周大家就很熟悉了，也不能连着pop re-steal人家3次，5次不是
？象100NL和目前最高的200NL，一般才100多200人，这种pool，还不如去打常规的，至
少read还多一些。
俺一般不会留250BB怎么大stake在桌上，连100BB full buy-in也是最近的事，double
up了肯定cash out再回来，一般人都没有100BB那么多，所以风险较大，如果正好和另
一个大stake碰上冤家牌。说到底，还是积小胜为大胜的道理，咱们有edge，但是并不
是那么大。
ra
K
cuteoff
or
bonus |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 无聊，看了下25NL，50NL player pool里面的玩家，同时开3，4桌的占了差不多1/3，
而总人数又下降到rush week之前的水平，加上2桌里面混着的那些某某某，所以大家觉
得不好打也是正常。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 23 Sounds to me, you do not play a lot of tournies.
My tournies run poorly also.
Rush poker does not serve me well. get -34BB/100 on 25NL. -10BB/100 on 50NL.
Play a lot of Cash HU NL, I am a winner on that.
Play some HU SNG, I am a winner also.
Will switch to MTT next month.
to switch to grinding (such as RUSH). |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 24 I play many MTT/Stlt. That is where I get 1.5K gone. After get a few small
final-table, I try to loose up but have not done well yet(build up a loose
image, and have not known how to cash in that). Plus, I need some study. O.W.
my play does not catch up.
RUSH is for TAG in general. If you play LAG, it becomes hard field to you.
RUSH 25NL, -34BB/100 means pretty much that. I remember you push w/ middle
pair and allin w/ KJo alike. At that way, you are winner at TURBO SNG and HU.
50NL. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 25 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Thu Jul 22 23:28:41 2010, 美东) 提到:
无聊，看了下25NL，50NL player pool里面的玩家，同时开3，4桌的占了差不多1/3，
而总人数又下降到rush week之前的水平，加上2桌里面混着的那些某某某，所以大家觉
得不好打也是正常。
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Lundon (Lundon) 于 (Fri Jul 23 01:29:53 2010, 美东) 提到:
rush 里面 player stats
在我 holdem manager 记录里 hand histories >2000 hands and > 8bb/100 就没有。
现在rush poker profit 主要是 bonus + rakeback 了
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Windstormm (Windstormm) 于 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 26 live and online, if we use 1/2NL and 50NL (more likely 25NL) to compare here.
live, for example, you rarely see ppl do squeeze play, while it's almost a
standard play online. or another example, online, before, 4-bet light is
almost impossible, now you see ppl do this at least to some degree.
so the nature of the games is somehow different, which requires us to adjust
too.
SCs are actually one of ed miller's favorites. even old tight gun like bob
ciaffone suggests to squeeze with 56s once in whi |
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s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 28 Last night, in the 25NL rush game. I am with KK in MP.
One EP calls
I raise to $1.25
Button call
EP Raise to $3
I, Button calls
Flop AcJXc, X a low card
EP, MP checks
Button Bet $7.xx
EP folds
I think, figure button is more likely bluffing and $7.xx is my half stack.
So all in.
Button calls and turn in JcTc, flush draw with mid pair.
Turn miss, River T.
Maybe I should allin after flop first. Just had a feeling Button will semi-
bluff. |
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B*********s
发帖数: 4158 | 29 25NL, Vallain: 12/9 never had a single 3-bet or 4-bet based on 50 hand histo
ry. both hero and vallian deep stack.
hero MP pocket AKs
utg raise to $0.75, hero 3-bet to $2.50, utg 4-bet to $6.25
Based on vallain's data. I was seriously thinking about folding my AKs. Sinc
e my AK is suited and I'm in position, I dicided to call and see flop.
Flop Kxx no flush draw for me.
utg bet half pot, I think for a while then fold.
Any comments? |
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G********r
发帖数: 666 | 30 5bet AK/s is an great but advanced move. However, will an opponent playing
25NL have the discipline to fold KK? |
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B*********s
发帖数: 4158 | 31 thank you for you comments, maybe 25NL villain not bluff or 3-bet with TJ to
o often.
here?
your |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 32 兄弟， 我跟了你好几个帖子，发现你就是传说中的松凶型。
我只玩micro stake table game，其实对你常玩的25NL，不甚了解。
但是，我只想真心的跟你说，我整天开着6桌磨在那里，最希望见到的就是你这样风格
的对手。
table game真的是要视对手的风格而即时调整策略，而最容易应付的就是松凶型的对手
，起手牌低，任何手牌都下重注，不说别的，我光稍稍抬高下自己的起手牌，同样以凶
对凶，从概率上讲你就吃亏了。
这个打法跟你发的这个帖子如出一辙。你的这个帖子应该定义为，高额买入松凶风格现
金桌的短筹策略，基本上，适用面有限。
我的建议是，（在没有辅助软件帮助的情况下）多观察对手，以紧凶开始，拿得起放得
下，等到初步掌握对手风格后，对症下药，从长远意义上讲，你不会吃亏的 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 33 哈哈，你不要笑哈，你肯定搞错了，俺们这里说100NL，实际上就是0.5/1NL，和你的是
一个stake，因为一般是100BB buy-in max，所以简称100NL。同理，200NL。
俺目前才玩50NL，比你的还小，其他几个人主要玩100NL或者25NL的，玩200NL的常客好
像还没有。
不过这里的人主要都是在FTP上玩RUSH poker，非常快速，1张桌子相当于4，5张其他正
常桌子同时打吧，所以一天3，4个小时下来，2张桌子，1000，2000把以上家常便饭。
对了，你能否帮俺们版写个关于UB的简介性东西(一些FAQ类问题)，类似置顶的俺写的
那个FTP入门，这样帮助俺们丰富版面内容，多谢。
此外，经常来灌水。
了。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 34 well, i believe there're some good ones, but others are just so so or like
you said.
1) if their main game is 2+ levels above ours, they don't care much, i guess;
2) it's some side income. many charge at least $50/hr for micro levels like
25NL or 50NL, and 10 sessions minimum;
3) the things (assuming correct things) we can digest are limited. my take
is unless i can fully open up myself, i won't get the best out of it. so
more likely, i may learn a few new tricks but miss the bigger picture;
4) ... 阅读全帖 |
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B*********s
发帖数: 4158 | 35 在25nl一会就输掉了400个bb，river all in都fold不掉A high, turn all in fold不掉
straight draw.果断move up到50nl，donk了几把又全赢回来了 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 36 俺来开个头吧，版上的玉还是很多的，即使比俺这块砖差的，不要灰心，请也和俺们大
家分享，一个花那么多时间精力才挣那么点的版猪，你没有什么可惭愧的。
2010对俺是比较暗淡的一年，投入的精力远比2009大，但结果既差也比较灰，正如俺告
诉风暴MM的，俺现在的扑克part time job面临一个非常严肃的何去何从问题。
去年底经过多次讨价还价，从FTP拿到rakeback，所以今年主要打cash game，
tournament几乎没打。和去年在tournament小打小闹还搞了几千相比，今年几乎是一条
腿走路。
一月份move up到100NL regular打了一个月，大概两千手，非常灰头土脸，技术问题肯
定是主要的，但是也犯了常见的问题，就是觉得新级别要有"新"打法，很冒进，结果是
既没有留住还可以用的，又东施效颦，两头不着。
后来FTP推出rush poker，很好的学习方式，但是居然在50NL这个熟悉的级别也让人打
得头晕眼花。rush因为快，量大，其实暴露了更多基本功的问题。
索性再退到25NL，打了好几个月才回来，主要提高在aggression，3 bet, re-steal... 阅读全帖 |
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s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 37 2010:
Start to play more on FTP cash and rush.
From 50nl to 25nl back to 50nl
lose money with TAG
Start to use HEM, and fix some leaks
Got rivered on FTP
Played in WSOP event
2011:
Play 125 FTP worth hands at most any day.
Stay at 50NL until profitable
Money in WSOP event
More comfortable with TAG, add some LAG plays
More thinking before calling All-ins on the river |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 38 play another 10K hands, hehe.
NL25 and 50 are not much different at all. a (donk or not) player who can
afford to play 25NL can surely play 50NL (at least for a while). 100NL has
more serious money because a donk's $500 would not go far.
many times i was so amazed to see what they had, after i made a "tough"
decision.
NL25
cbet |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 39 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 哎 降级 2天down7个buyin，total 17个buyin左右，我降级去25NL了 cry。。。。。 |
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r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 40 25NL opponents are much tougher!
Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1226050
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BTN: $14.65
SB: $25.00
Hero (BB): $56.14
UTG: $25.00
MP: $15.92
CO: $30.05
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with Kc 2c
3 folds, BTN calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero checks
Flop: ($0.60) Th 3c Qc (2 players)
Hero bets $0.25, BTN raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.25
Turn: ($1.60) 7c (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $13.90, Hero calls $13.90
R... 阅读全帖 |
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r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 41 500手下5个buyin，然后开始crush 25NL.. |
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r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 42 not at 25NL 6m imo.
i set mine KK. |
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r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 43 watched your video and agree that your skill can probably beat 25NL 6m to
death (over 99% of the time to be conservative, hehe)
also believe that 100NL 6m is a tougher game than 100NL fr. 50NL 6m? donno.
i thnk you can beat 50NL 6m but $/hr should be lower than now.
another thought: in PS vpp policy, 6max player get more vpp than fr for the
same amount of $ in the pot. dont know about FTP rakeback policy.
confident
to
a
completely
,
pool |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 44 running hot! 20bb/100 on 25NL
so many fish!! they are willing to call down w/ 2nd or 3rd pair!
haha |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 45 superboob 你是不是也在sportsbook玩 这个网站是以其他形式的活动作为rakeback的
比如现在的是在进行 mega million的点数换现金活动，我好象在25NL 看到一个
superbobo的id，不知道是不是你 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 46 50NL and 25NL. hard to find tables open.. lost all the coin flop on 6 max table they keep 3 betting with 9s 5s.. 3 bet with 9s i 4 bet AQ. 9 high board fish donk shove pot size bet i call with high card. that does not even show up on the ev plot.. I also lost KK vs AQ preflop
bad luck~~ no new deposit luck i guess...
I got some back but still down. I am done for the day.. need to get use to the software too.. font is way too small. I can hardly see. I also keep reraising and betting the wrong ... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 47 我最近弄到lock上，因为有rakeback，玩了一个星期，全是6-max
3000手50NL 23.90bb/100
4000手25NL 0bb/100
我是有做一些table selection，逮着我标记的几个鱼打
table they keep 3 betting with 9s 5s.. 3 bet with 9s i 4 bet AQ. 9 high
board fish donk shove pot size bet i call with high card. that does not even
show up on the ev plot.. I
to the software too.. font is way too small. I can hardly see. I also keep
reraising and betting the wrong size preflop.
The NL50 FR is pretty soft, 6max is a lot more aggressive I played both.
lost mostly on 6 ... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 48 Appreciate your comments. Very helpful.
Another question about preflop all in at 25NL 100BB stack.
Is it standard to raise all in with AK, AQ, JJ?
Is it standard to call 4-bet or 5-bet all in with AK, AQ, JJ?
How about we limit the situation to SB, BB, CO, BTN?
Thanks. |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 49 I totally agree with you on the learning part!
Before BF, I can only say I can make money from 6-max ST on FTP.
After BF, I was forced to play cash on Merge. I can't even beat 25NL before
BF. But I spent a lot of time on reading NL cash materials and watched at
least 100
vids(6max or HU cash) from CR.
I think I can play at 50NL level on Merge, at least break even before RB.
But I am not sure whether this will apply to mid-stake NL cash because I
felt
uncomfortable playing 6-max midstake cash gam... 阅读全帖 |
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