j*****7 发帖数: 10575 | 1 很多人对于天主教的“误解”不是在所谓的“行动”问题
而是想透过十字架之外的其他任何方式途径,寻求救恩的问题。例如赎罪券,功德,告
解,弥撒,炼狱,崇拜圣人........
有空和大家一起读加拉太书吧
救恩的中心只有一个,就是十字架。除此之外加上任何所谓无伤大雅的东西,就是抹煞
整个救恩
圣洁的真理,容不得半点沙子 |
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G******e 发帖数: 9567 | 2 乖乖,刚才还想拿马丁路德来砸你呢,你到先把小马给轧腿了。你先忙着,等我考完试
后把小马的东东拿出来一起看看。 |
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j*****7 发帖数: 10575 | 3 第一条马腿:不仅不喜欢雅各书,还有把雅各书从圣经里删掉的念头
唉,有空别找小马哥了,还是一步步读经最实际。小马哥只是神的一个小仆人而已。 |
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R******d 发帖数: 644 | 4 你提到的很多不是误解,是事实,比如赎罪券。已经都承认是历史错误了,也纠正了。
顺便问问,新教对弥撒有啥意见? |
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r**t 发帖数: 115 | 5 Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the
Bible Study.
1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the
Holy Church.
2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or
Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
4.I will not answer simple |
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w****r 发帖数: 17566 | 8 you'd better update this message to the beginning of your teach..
BTW, it's better to delete the word "stupid" here
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R******d 发帖数: 644 | 9 不好意思,把你的楼搞歪了。
我想看。要是其他人不想看,你私下发给我吧?
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w*******e 发帖数: 6802 | 10 i agree. it's better to delete the word "stupid" here |
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 12 咦, 原來天主教也有這種自我感覺良好的?
我還以為只有Bill Donohue 這樣子而已。
對我們天主教形象破壞很大啊。 麻煩你回去
唸三遍天主經, 三遍聖母經。
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r**t 发帖数: 115 | 14 Are you Catholic?
If yes, Thanks be to God.
If not, stopping use 我們天主教
Bill Donohue is a Catholic, in case you don't know. |
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q********g 发帖数: 10694 | 15 其实“天主教”是中国共产党发明的词。你们接受这个叫法?
怎么也该说是“圣而公教会”是不是。 |
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s*******g 发帖数: 535 | 16 这个态度也未免太自负了一些。
bbs的公共版面的发帖原则实际上是有共识的。一旦发帖了,就要做好被七嘴八舌讨论
的准备。
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q********g 发帖数: 10694 | 17 here is the board of Jesus Christ, not the board of Catholic.
Man, open your mind or heart~
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
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j*****7 发帖数: 10575 | 18 新教对于崇拜的礼仪方式,没有什么特别的意见
但是如果要把这种礼仪,和“救恩”/“功德”挂上钩,那就是万万不可的
http://www.mitbbs.com/bbsann2/literature.faq/TrustInJesus/theology/M.124
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9、弥撒(圣餐)
圣经没有说“圣餐”二字,只是标题标上“圣餐”。圣经只说“晚餐”、“擘饼”
。圣经更没有“弥撒”二字,这都是天主教的“特产”。
他们认为饼与葡萄汁一经祝谢就变成了耶稣的肉和血,而且饼与葡萄汁本身有赐
福的功效,又能帮助人得救。他们认为弥撒是十架牺牲的继续。但圣经说,基督一次献
上(来7:27,9:11-15,26,28,10:10-14,18,彼前1:18-19)。全世界每24小时就有20万
次的苦吗?每一个天主教徒在临离世前要做最后一次弥撒,但只许吃饼,不能喝葡萄汁
,1415年宣布只有祭司可喝。但耶稣不只分饼,也分葡萄汁(路22:17-18)。他们 |
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r**t 发帖数: 115 | 19 They can ask, of course.
I just won't answer. |
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j*****7 发帖数: 10575 | 20 http://www.chinacatholic.org/XindeNews.asp?Id=13516
12、灵薄狱与炼狱有什么区别呢?灵薄狱还有吗?
爱的心神父:在我们的信经里提到过这个灵薄狱,古文的信经里“我信其下地狱”
,其中的“地
狱”指的就是灵薄狱,在耶稣被埋葬的那三天,就是去灵薄狱。从亚当开始一直到耶稣
基督死时,这段
时间里所有死去的义人们,都在灵薄狱里,因为他们没有得到补赎,所以不能够升天堂
,暂时都在灵
薄狱里。当耶稣的救赎功劳来到世界,在他死后的三天里他首先去了灵薄狱,将那里的
灵魂领到天堂
去。现在有没有灵薄狱还是一个有争议的话题,我还回答不了。炼狱与灵薄狱是不同的
,炼狱一直到
世界的终结才能够结束,它是有期限的,不像天堂地狱是永远存在的。当世界穷尽的时
候,炼狱也就
没有了,它的任务就完成了。
13、教友自杀,他的家人献弥撒可以吗?亡者能得到弥撒的功劳吗?
爱的心神父:在教友自杀这个问题上,教会的态度是,不可以公开地为自杀教友做
弥撒,但私下
里可以做弥撒。因为这涉及到一个表样的问题,特别是在全是教友的村庄,或是一个堂
区,这个教友
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q********g 发帖数: 10694 | 21 这个时候,我很怀念李常受,恨不得他老人家复活再来,痛责那些往耶稣基督的救恩上
强加割礼的“教会”。 |
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s*******g 发帖数: 535 | 22 问他做什么...
他能够代表新教吗?他能够说出圣公会对于弥撒的态度吗?路德宗的呢? |
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s*******g 发帖数: 535 | 23 路德和加尔文这么有才华,还抵不上一个圣依那爵.罗耀拉,我看李常受还是乖乖地待
在他该待的地方吧... |
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y****a 发帖数: 243 | 24 for the sake of waterring:) |
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R******d 发帖数: 644 | 25 这是谁写的呀?天主教圣餐不用葡萄汁!用酒。对酒精过敏的人和其他不宜喝酒的人,
可以不领圣餐里的酒,但是不能用葡萄汁代替(——后面simonwang有更正)。明显作者不是很了解天主教的么。
当代天主教没有把弥撒和功德挂钩。
至于弥撒的名字,起个名字有什么问题啊?圣经里有提到sermon这个词么?不一样是后
来人起的名字么?我去过的新教教会可是没有反对用sermon这个词的。 |
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s*******g 发帖数: 535 | 26 如果主祭神父对酒精过敏,确实可以用葡萄汁,不过需要宗座圣礼部批准,50年来没有
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 29 我的意思是說我本來以為天主教只有 Bill Donohue
一個 jerk 而已,現在才知道不是這樣的。
天主教沒有什麼儀式可以退出吧? |
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 30 這個居然沒有其他天主教徒駁斥一下,只好我來。
qiaqiafeng, 少賣弄無知了。天主教跟共產黨一向作對的。 |
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j*****7 发帖数: 10575 | 31 借此机会说说对于“圣餐”的看法。在基督教里,圣礼只有两个:洗礼,圣餐。都是耶
稣基督亲自设立的。
马太26,马克14,路加22都有对于圣餐设立的记载。
路加福音
22:17耶稣接过杯来,祝谢了,说,你们拿这个,大家分着喝。
22:18我告诉你们,从今以后,我不再喝这葡萄汁,直等神的国来到。
22:19又拿起饼来祝谢了,就擘开递给他们,说,这是我的身体,为你们舍的。你们也
应当如此行,为的是记念我。
22:20饭后也照样拿起杯来,说,这杯是用我血所立的新约,是为你们流出来的。
在哥林多前书,保罗从教会生活的角度,解释了圣餐的意义,和做法
11:23我当日传给你们的,原是从主领受的,就是主耶稣被卖的那一夜,拿起饼来,
11:24祝谢了,就擘开,说,这是我的身体,为你们舍的(舍有古卷作擘开)。你们应
当如此行,为的是记念我。
11:25饭后,也照样拿起杯来,说,这杯是用我的血所立的新约。你们每逢喝的时候,
要如此行,为的是记念我。
11:26你们每逢吃这饼,喝这杯,是表明主的死,直等到他来。
11:27所以无论何人,不按理吃主的饼,喝主的杯,就是干犯主的身主的血了。
11:28人应当自己省察 |
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G******e 发帖数: 9567 | 32 说的很牛气,还真把自己当个牛人呢。连简单stupid的问题都解决不了,搞那些所谓的
高深的问题有什么用?那些不就是扯吗?这里的人那个不能扯个三天三夜不带重样的?
以为贴个讲义就成了救世主了,doing the whole world a great favor?太不把自己
当人看了。I'll say, save it for yourself, this world has had enough.
一个没走,又来一个,真是有的看呀。
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not. |
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 33 記得幾個月前那個“正統神學”嗎? 這類人物哪派都有啊。 |
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 34 建議樓主, 不想非天主教的插嘴的話,自己弄個俱樂部,很容易的。 |
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w****r 发帖数: 17566 | 36 因为共产党实质已经资本主义党画了?只差那层皮还没脱掉 |
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o**1 发帖数: 6383 | 37 共产党已经不搞共产主义了,但是任何人群的聚集,党还是非常敏感的。 |
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i****l 发帖数: 181 | 38
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not. |
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j********a 发帖数: 440 | 39
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not. |
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k****1 发帖数: 189 | 40
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not. |
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g***a 发帖数: 182 | 41
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not. |
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l*****o 发帖数: 116 | 42
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not. |
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n***7 发帖数: 47 | 43
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not. |
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m***a 发帖数: 59 | 44
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not. |
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m****o 发帖数: 329 | 45
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not. |
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i***1 发帖数: 137 | 46
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not. |
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c********1 发帖数: 552 | 47
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not. |
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n*******a 发帖数: 581 | 48
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not. |
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i*****e 发帖数: 910 | 49
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not. |
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c*******m 发帖数: 131 | 50
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not. |
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