m**o
发帖数: 5261 | 1 爱因斯坦：“你不是牛顿你是谁？”
牛顿：“你看我脚下是什么？”
爱因斯坦低头看到牛顿站在一块长宽都是一米的正方形的地板砖上，不解。
牛顿：“我脚下这是一平方米的方块，我站在上面就是牛顿/平方米，所以你抓住的不
是牛
顿，你抓住的是***.”
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X*********r
发帖数: 11803 | 3 你这样说我都不好意思喊大牛厉害了
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m******u
发帖数: 12400 | 4 昨天文卷被爆菊了，今天到现在还没起来。你那个帖子还是有些力度的。他还没来向你
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X*********r
发帖数: 11803 | 5 他会先向老油要的
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发帖数: 1 | 10 都说中国房价高高到买不起房。不过现在在北京可能过道都已经买不起了，一个过道卖
150万！不过就是这样离谱还会有人愿意去买？可不就是有人愿意去买！为了什么就是
为了一个学区房就是为了让孩子去上好的学校。
不知道别的国家如何，不过在中国这些好的学校可是香饽饽一般家长们是拼了命一般把
孩子往里面塞也不管自己孩子是否能够适应总之就是要孩子进去！这天朝真是奇葩无所
不有，商家也是花样百出。
一个学区房的称号就能卖出一个过道，一个学区房的口号就能卖掉一个住不了人的房子
!不知道是买的人太傻还是卖的人太疯总之这房价的记录也是不断被刷新。今天能卖一
个小房子明天就能卖一个过道！也许不久将来一个马桶甚至一块地板砖都可以被称作学
区的而涨价了？
不知道这样的交易是否能够合法是否能够给自己的孩子上好学校带来一丝机会！不过中
国人跟风的节奏是越来越浓厚了，这点真是让人无奈，倒是让商家乐开怀了。
现在全世界都知道中国人有钱爱跟风！中国的商家更是什么都敢卖了！150万仅仅是一
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y**c
发帖数: 280 | 11 我记得敲掉地板砖是要申请的
这些你的有政府执照的装修商都应该知道的啊
你应该可以都交给他们办就好了啊 |
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s*****e
发帖数: 6053 | 12 我们家都是木地板和地板砖的。。。
唯一有毯子的地方，就是我自己买的那种放在浴缸旁边的~~~~~ |
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n*****u
发帖数: 465 | 13 贵了。不过换tub 的话地板砖和墙砖也可能要换，至少tub 周围内一圈儿. 简单的应该
几百刀吧。马桶很简单，自己换。 |
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b***b
发帖数: 13249 | 14 我的客户告诉我胡师傅说人工一万， 全部加起来（柜子， 大理石台面，水电等）共三万。 另一个工人估的总共两万. 所以我惊讶呀！
简单的做法也要不了人工$4000. 啥子精工--- 就是补墙，油漆一下， 铺个地板砖。 铺地
板砖 handyman铺的都不差了。电线水什么都不用重新弄了。Cabinet 他从Cabinet公司order， 有时候cabinet公司包安装。
$8000的做法： 结构变了？ --- 变水电么？ 他的$8000肯定不加水电， 水电另外算。
添个小吧台和中央岛---- 版主， 这个是 Cabinet 又多了些， 跟他的labor关系没那么大。 Cabinet公司去order， Cabinet公司来装。他的人工是$8000？
算了吧， 你不用那么defense 他了， 你讲不赢我的。人无完人，他这么做，又不是很不对，蟹有蟹道， 虾有虾路, 只要有活做， 有人买账， 就是Winner。 你不用这么累的defense 他了。 我都替你不值。
我一直想装修我家里的厨房， 可是全家其他人都反对. 我2010年的报价--- $1500 人工， 橱柜和台面$5500 (... 阅读全帖 |
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k******n
发帖数: 1265 | 15 美国佬就会玩文字游戏，
我以前窗户漏气了，保修十五年。联系完以后，结果给我寄了个窗户来。
说只包材料，不包labor！
没办法。。。。 找墨西哥人吧。。。 |
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c*******y
发帖数: 3008 | 16 建议你去LIVING版问吧， 那里的关于房子买卖和装修方面的达人多。 估计要告也是
small claim court吧， 价值低于5000块。 |
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a*****g
发帖数: 19398 | 17 一般来说，每个商家都会有这个条款……赔付额不超过商品的原购买价格。 |
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d****e
发帖数: 137 | 18 按道理，人家也不该付labor费用吧。比如你买了一件电器，质量不好，最多就是退电
器的款，如果你要求人家付车费，精神损失费，那就过分了。 |
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h**i
发帖数: 192 | 19 One solution is to complain to BBB. But don't expect too much because the
brick warranty would never cover labor.
BTW, is it too cheap to buy $100 brick while the labor costs $2000??? |
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G*I
发帖数: 415 | 20 铺砖是个技术活，肯定是你们打底不够平，里面有空隙，一踩就爆了
按理应该向铺地师傅讨 |
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a**2
发帖数: 123 | 23 其实我也在想是这个可能. LZ说了那么多, 都没到点子上. |
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m***y
发帖数: 14763 | 24 Sigh,
Just want to tell an irrelevant story. My parents-in-law are heavy-footed,
breaking everything we put down to the floor. They even managed to loosen
the plywood. Of course, they would never acknowledge that they are heavy-
footed, they simply blame on the bad quality of the tiles, and bad
craftsmanship of the workers, so on so forth. What could we say? |
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n*******s
发帖数: 216 | 25 “下面的垫子” 是啥？
backer board?
"新垫子"? New backer board? Cement board or hardi?
"灰泥"= Thinset?
用的哪种grout?
你的subfloor是什么材料？wood? wood厚度多少？还是concrete?
无法了解这位师傅具体用了啥，干了啥，根本无法评述。
你至少得先排除是安装过程的问题。据我所知，90%以上的tile crack是安装引起的，
原因包括
没有用正确的grout
subfloor处理不对，没有用正确的backer board
subfloor没有弄平
使用错误的thinset
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l****h
发帖数: 1189 | 26 那质量也太次了。
怎么从没见过商店里的地砖被重人踩裂？ 让你in laws去各个商店重踩， 如果还是都
没裂， 你就别怪他们了。 |
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t**l
发帖数: 236 | 27 别折腾了，100%工人的问题。
拿100刀，买新砖，换工人（严格按要求铺）
厂家已经给你面子了，100刀换PEACE。 |
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b*********l
发帖数: 51 | 28 Thank you, I will try it! |
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G*I
发帖数: 415 | 29 靠，分明是技术不过关，还怪到老人脚上去了，真失败 |
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t********n
发帖数: 705 | 30 2 reason combin,
1. your brought cheap tile
2. your contractor didn't put enough concerte under the tile.
you should take that 100 dollar, and ask the contractor fix the crack tile
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b*********l
发帖数: 51 | 31 Thank you, seems you are an expert.
“下面的垫子” 是backer board
"新垫子"是 New backer board: 1/2 inch 3'*5' hardie backer board from Home
Depot
"灰泥"= Versabond bonding mortar, from Home Depot
用的grout, Polyblend sanded grout, from Home Depot
subfloor材料: looks like some kind of synthetic materials (vinyl or plastic?
), not sure about its thickness. I think the subfloor should not have
problem, because the old tiles didn't have similar cracking as the
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n*******s
发帖数: 216 | 32 “subfloor材料: looks like some kind of synthetic materials (vinyl or
plastic?”
从此段可以判断，原来你厨房的地面是linoleum / vinyl.前面的屋主在没有起掉
linoleum的情况下直接上了tile. 这个厨房下面如果是basement,99%你的subfloor是
wood.
如果是一层，可能是concrete.
直接在lino上铺tile并不是绝对不行。但是存在较大风险，tile容易裂 /浮起,尤其当
lino本身不稳固时。绝大多数情况下，都是应该将lino彻底铲掉，暴露出subfloor,不
管subfloor是wood也好，concrete也好，从subfloor开始铺backerboard,然后上tile.
当你们铲掉旧的tile,lino必然受到影响，这lino本身已经老了，上次稳固下后，这回再折
腾，lino与下面的subfloor之间的bond松动，导致lino开始浮动，导致新铺的tile出现
裂 /浮起。
所以，上任没问题，再次起掉，这lino就不行了，你的tile也就完了。
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d*e
发帖数: 999 | 33 当我看到是中国师傅装的，我就几乎肯定是安装的问题。 |
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发帖数: 216 | 34 BTW,
'Subfloor' is the 'final'or 'last'floor. It's either wood, or concrete. It is the floor that was built as the start of your house and rooms. It's the floor 'structure' supporting and 'underlying' the visible flooring such as hardoowd, lino, carpet...
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j********r
发帖数: 129 | 35 基本上是铺的问题, 也就是厂家说的由于 subfloor movement 造成的.
subfloor movement可能的原因较多.一个整个地面的支撑问题.整体沉降.再就是
subfloor built的不对.最下一层支撑是木头架在joist上,要查检支撑牢固. 上面用3/4
" plywood, screw down (never use nail on floor). 一定不能在木头上直接铺
backboard. 然后是thinset and backboard, screw down (5~6" spacing).最后上面是
thinset, tile.地砖的厚度不应小于1/2"(墙砖1/4"即可). 不过铺得好的话.薄点一般
也不是问题.
铺地用1/4"的Hardiboard即可.墙砖需1/2"board.
卫生间的地砖没坏不说明问题.卫生间地面小,
其它问题的可能性要小得多(太初级),Thinset不均匀,不平等.
厂家居然肯出100块,好事.偷着乐吧.
可以 complain contractor, 基本每个county都有专门管这个事的. |
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t********n
发帖数: 705 | 36 not necessary la, I do know the cheapest tile in menard is 49cent per square
ft, those do break very easy. |
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b*********l
发帖数: 51 | 37 Many thanks to nomoreets (北美民工), javabeaver (JavaBeaver), and all others
providing very useful information. Now I tend to accept "基本上是铺的问题,
也就是厂家说的由于 subfloor movement 造成的". (Although, the tiles are not
of great quality either. I will buy better tiles in the future......) |
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A******e
发帖数: 3373 | 39 我就是地砖厂家的，要打官司么？好啊，请你出示安装地砖的2000美金的收据，拿不出
来我就告你欺诈。
楼主自己想要占便宜，就要有吃亏的觉悟。 |
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发帖数: 3373 | 41 我不知道楼主买的到底是什么地砖。本来这个跟厂家交火是很正常的，总要argue一下
才知道真伪。
但是我就是很看不起这种明摆着想要讹别人一笔，别人不干，就跳出来骂厂家“你们太
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b*********l
发帖数: 51 | 42 Did I want to 讹别人一笔? I am planning to re-tile the kitchen, and I got
the quote from Home Depot (I am seriously planning to use their service)
that the cost will be around $2000.
You want to see 安装地砖的2000美金的收据? I didn't say the re-tiling has
been finished. I am planning, "我需要重铺。这个费用，按照正规店报
价要$2000，（自己找人当然会便宜些，但是也得要好几百吧）". If I use Home
Depot, the receipt will be there.
Also, I claimed $2000, but expected that very likely I won't get that money.
This is what I knew about this kind of issues. The a |
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b*******e
发帖数: 24532 | 43 也不能这么说，毕竟barbargull遇到问题了才来咨询大家的意见不是？
我觉得不是要讹诈厂家，大家在外生活不容易，多帮助，少打击啊。 |
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b*********l
发帖数: 51 | 44 No matter 什么地砖, I bought from Menards. Menards is not an un-licensed
road-side shop. I have said that the tiles were on promotion. The price was
low, but Menards and the manufacturer still claim that the quality is
guaranteed. I guess most people ever bought things on promotion.
With my best wishes, I hope you could think the following facts:
I spent money to re-model my kitchen. The tiles cracked. I need re-tile,
which will cost me money ($2000 if I use Home Depot, maybe half this price
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l*****n
发帖数: 1844 | 45 你的算法还是有问题吧？
你如果买$100的地砖直接找HD铺，$2000刀应该你出 total是$2100
你现在$100刀地砖+假设是$1000刀中国师傅+新买地砖假设是$200+HD铺$2000 total是$
3300
你让厂家出$2000，自己只要出$1300得到$2100的效果？
money. |
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b*********l
发帖数: 51 | 46 ??
Breakdown your formula of 3300 into 4 terms. The first two have been paid by me already. The third and fourth terms
are needed to get the current problem fixed. I thought the store/manufacturer should take the responsibility before,
and asked them to pay the fourth term (only).
Now I accept the opinion of some experts here that it is mostly because of the tiling process, won't argue with the
manufacturer any more.
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n*******s
发帖数: 216 | 47 My 2 cents,
1. Don't let HD re-tile your kitchen.
The truth is that HD uses local contractors to do installation services and
the quality is a very big issue across the nation. Complaints are all over
the place. The reason is that it is almost impossible to control those
contractors from one location to another. You may get a good one, and you
may end up with a very bad one. In most case, you will end up with a very
bad one because, like all big stores or big institutions, nobody cares, nobody w |
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p**f
发帖数: 2610 | 48 No, the subfloor is usually a thin floor over the construction
floor,providing a flat surface for the main floor.
It is the floor that was built as the start of your house and rooms. It's
the floor 'structure' supporting and 'underlying' the visible flooring
such as hardoowd, lino, carpet... |
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n*******s
发帖数: 216 | 49 "a thin floor over the construction floor"?
What the heck is a "construction floor"? Subfloor is the ‘construction'
floor' if that's what you mean. What else you think is beneath the subfloor
other than joists? except when we have concrete slabs.
Man I seriously doubt that you ever took a close look at your own floor, or
you just got confused between "subfloor" and "underlayment".
"a thin floor"? I can put various building code allowed thickness of
subfloor if I choose to. It could be 23/32, 3/ |
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p**f
发帖数: 2610 | 50 I recently replaced all floor in my bathroom. They are two different
layer boards. Lower layer is much thicker 1.5" OSB. Upper layer is
1/2" plywood.
I guess the confusion comes from the different terms, in our area, we
called them subfloor and construction floor among the construction
workers. But I just googled it, it is typically called finished floor
and subfloor. Whatever, you know what I am talking about.
Of course you can customize your floor as long as it complies to the
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